Wednesday, December 4, 2013

What To Expect When Signing Up For Amway

Thanks to AnonTB for providing some info on what to expect if signing up to Amway, advice for a woman whose husband is thinking of getting sucked into the cult:


1- You will need several hundred dollars a month to pay for product, books, tapes, meetings, rallies, gas. Ask him where that will come from, and what he/you will be sacrificing to pay for that. He may say that this phase won't last long, that you will soon be making enough money to cover expenses. Ask him to be specific: how many recruits do you need to break even, and how are you going to get those people?

2- The products are very expensive, and you will be buying far more product than you can use. If you don't buy products like this now, why are you going to be excited about buying them in the future, and why will you be excited about overbuying expensive products? If you can't get excited about the products, how successful will you be in convincing others to buy the products?
--> After the 3 week cooling off period, Instead of signing up as an IBO, ask your husband to just buy a bunch of product and use it for a month. See if his excitement for the product matches his excitement for the business "opportunity." That's a fair request. The business will still be there for him at the end of the month.

3- If you do become an IBO, your efforts will be in recruiting. Your earliest recruits will be people that you know. How will you feel about trying to sign up family/friends/neighbors by omitting key information that they need to make an informed decision, such as all the recurring monthly expenses (tools, web site, voicemail, meetings, excess product inventory, etc.)? This is called a lie of omission, and is essential to recruit people. Can you do this to people you know?

4- Your presenter mentioned he would not miss a meeting even if he was very sick with the flu. Ask yourself, why would you need to go to every meeting, even if you have no prospects there? Answer: there is no good reason, other than because they say that's what successful people do.

5- Tell your husband that if you don't join him as an IBO, Ambots have been known to try to get him to choose between you and Amway. Get him to commit to you that when this happens, he will leave the business. Not in a year. Not in a month. Now.

6- You mentioned that the Ambots you met were smart, educated people, too smart to fall for a bad opportunity. Therefore, it must be a good one. This is a fallacy of logic. This is what made Bernie Madoff able to convince lots of other smart people to give him $50 billion.

Don't EVER stop thinking for yourself or trusting your gut instincts.

17 comments:

  1. Your comment about missing meetings cause no prospects is how I felt. Infact I never went to major functions because I can't convince prospects to go. Why should go alone? Also why buy DVDs or CDs when 99% of them sound exactly the same. Just borrow and make a few copies of the DVDs or CDs instead of paying monthly

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    1. Anony,ous - you're right. They say the exact same things at every meeting and pretty much the same thing is said on every CD. As is Amway functions. "I used to be a waitress and my dear friend showed me the business and now I'm a gazillionaire. If I can do it then anyone can."

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    2. Also it's more wise to skip the meetings/functions to sell products or to show the plan. If there arent any prospects then showing up is a complete waste of time. Usually the meetings etc arent to improve your sales or presentation techniques. I mean i dont hear any valuable ideas from diamonds at these meetings on how to recruit more or to lie more effectively.

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    3. Anonymous - and we never will hear any valuable information from Diamonds on how to run a business or scam people to sign up with Amway. All they do is stand up there and say I used to be a nobody loser with a minimum wage job and now look at the riches I have. Now I'm an Amway cult leader and the followers all think I'm a winner and love me to death. Blah blah bullshit that we already heard at the last Amway function.

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  2. I dont think that will help this poor woman. She can easily be convinced by optimistic answers to each question. What i would suggest is to answer the following. 1. To build a business you need to show the plan to 50 people a month for 2 years. Can you do that. 2. To find people you need to cold contact 10 people daily. Can you do that. 3. 50% of your recruits stop within a yearcan you handle this. 4. 99% of you recruits will make nothing and lose money. Can you accept that. 5. You cant retail as products are too expensive. So recruits need to buy excessively. In conclusion the big pins all answered yes to the above and went ahead. Thats whats needed. Not many would like to do it.

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    1. Anonymous - it would be nice if the Amway Ambot showing the plan said all that but they don't cause they'd never get anyone to sign up. It's hard to scam people if you tell them truth. Don't get sucked into this scam!

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    2. I think in todays market it's even more difficult to achieve or stay as a big pins. I heard there are only one new diamond in god knows how many years in wwdb north america.

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    3. I was doing some google searching about this amway/wwdb thing and aside from your blog, found another blog telling people about going through an education and information process before signing up or doing anything! And if an amway person isn't willing to take you through an education and information process to just GTFO. I found it here: http://transparencyofadreamer.wordpress.com/world-wide-dream-builders-our-reality/ - so is that guy lying and full of shit about recommending that people get educated through a process? Or are you lying and full of shit that they don't do that? I see two people I don't know saying different things. He's claiming it would be stupid to not get educated first which is what you say people should do as well- get information. Or is it that only some people educate up front like that dude and the people he works with and others try to just sign up first and not answer questions? Both your advice, and that guy's make sense which is weird because you're clearly against anything Amway which from your story I can get. And that dude is on the other side of the spectrum. Kind of funny that you both agree even when you're on opposite sides. Anyway, appreciate the thoughts from your side.
      Cheers.

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    4. Anon,
      Ambots do, in fact, tell you to get your facts straight before joining. The problems occur in the source of information. If you ask the bloggers and their commenters/ followers to provide information, the information will come from severely different places. Ambots will provide information provided by upline, or the AMO they 'work' under, which only provides the shiny, happy side. They would omit important information that anyone with a shred of business intelligence would shy away from. Would you invest in a stock that had a 1% chance of growth? If your dream is big enough, the stock will grow.
      The information we would provide, well, at least what I would tell you to look into, are court cases, unbiased research, and your own gut. Look at the Wisconsin AG's report with regards to the lawsuit that was settled out of court. Look at Great Britain's report. Our facts and figures don't come from people who stand to profit from you not joining. Then, after reading those items, and the carefully worded, asterisk ridden info they provide, check your gut. Which feels more reliable?

      -Jerry

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    5. Anonymous - at least you're looking at all information you can find rather than information supplied to you by people in Amway who are already in the brainwash pipeline to only show you positive happy stuff. How about reading the Amway literature. I'm talking the small print where they say how many people actually make money in Amway. I don't have no Amway literature in my house but the number is a fraction of 1% something like .0006472. Look at it the other way. Over 99% failure rate. And that's according to Amway's only figures. From head office. So you can get your information from people like myself who've been there done that got the credit card debt to show for it and liars who are only looking to scam you out of your money so they can make a buck, or the % number from the head office and make an informed decision.

      Who stands to make money off you? Not me. I'm not selling you anything. I don't charge you any money to read here. Nobody gives me a cash handout for every person I can stop from making a mistake.

      Ask the people who are prospecting you to show you their profit and loss statement and tax information. They won't. Legitimate businesses will open their books. Scammers won't.

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    6. Thanks for your input Jerry. Hopefully this guy won't make a mistake and sign up. If he's doing his research he'll find there are so many places online where people talk about their Amway experiences - financial losses, emotional distress, broken families, divorce, bankruptcy, foreclosure. The joys of belonging to the Amway cult.

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  3. Regarding item 6 Anna: I've seen media accounts of Scientology-ists making the same claim. John Travolta is too smart to fall for a scam, so anything he is involved in cant be a scam!

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    1. Wasn't he a high school drop out? Or do I have him confused with Vinny Barbarino?

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  4. Friend of a former AmbotDecember 5, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    My bestfriend of mine quit Amway a couple months ago. Couldn't get a single person on her team. Main reason i found is that she was to honest with people. It was sad watching her legitimately work Amway with a good heart and not see any results. I guess the end result is not bad though. She is still the same person inspite of those motherfuckers and can chock this up to a learning experience.

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    1. Hello Friend of a former Ambot - thanks for sharing your story. Its really hard to find anyone to sign up with Amway and those that do don't usually stick around too long. You have to be a good liar to get anywhere in Amway. If you have a conscience and are a truthful person you won't succeed in Amway.

      It is sad. So many people get sucked into the Amway scam who are probably decent people who are looking to make extra money, they work hard, and nothing happens. Other than being abused by the assholes in their Amway upline when they don't bring in prospects. Learning experience and hopefully she won't make the same mistake again.

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  5. I really wonder how long it takes someone to escape this whole ordeal once they are in? Especially if they become very attached to their upline and sponsors?

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    1. Anonymous - most people quit Amway within months when they figure out they've been scammed. 95% quit inside 2 years. Some hit rock bottom. Max out credit cards, spend all their savings, go through foreclosure, bankruptcy, and divorce. But yeah the ones who actually like their upline would have a harder time because once you quit Amway the upline won't have anything to do with you any more. They're only friends as long as they make money off you.

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