tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post2126056754355752007..comments2024-03-28T11:50:31.365-07:00Comments on Married to an Ambot: Social security won’t be there when you retire?Anna Bananahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-37751114966203965402011-01-12T10:54:58.559-08:002011-01-12T10:54:58.559-08:00Anna,
You fucked up, for knowing better, but gett...Anna,<br /><br />You fucked up, for knowing better, but getting involved again.<br /><br />Not using the A/Q word was one of the complaints I had with TEAM, and a former TEAM CEO proves Amway was upset with this as well: http://www.amwaywiki.com/Ron_Simmons - #6 comes DIRECTLY from my email complaint to A/Q.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-77121745839048865652011-01-10T15:43:38.057-08:002011-01-10T15:43:38.057-08:00Anonymous I attended some board plan meetings wher...Anonymous I attended some board plan meetings where they never said the "A" word at all. If they did it would be at least one hour into the meeting. That quick into the meeting was rare it was usually 2 hours into the meeting.Anna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-67637860062274220732011-01-10T12:10:57.290-08:002011-01-10T12:10:57.290-08:00I used to just cringe when we'd get to the end...I used to just cringe when we'd get to the end o the board plan and the 'a' word was about to be spoken.,<br /><br />Got so sick of the total disgust from people.<br /><br />Isn't is just sick that before the internet there was no way to research it? Research is the first thing anyone would do that wanted to start a business.<br /><br />amway had us then, but no more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-14873019899743237432011-01-09T17:26:52.294-08:002011-01-09T17:26:52.294-08:00So who would you say fucked up in our case when it...So who would you say fucked up in our case when it came to qualifying us - and I was very clear to everyone upline that I was not interested in getting involved in Amway AGAIN - because I was the one who did the online search about Amway because I was fed up with what it was doing to our relationship and finances?Anna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-69232140295016649002011-01-09T16:23:11.619-08:002011-01-09T16:23:11.619-08:00Anon,
On one level, you're right. The "q...Anon,<br /><br />On one level, you're right. The "qualifying" process does not normally mention Amway. However, it does screen out people who are likely to do an online search for Amway after they've seen the full plan that includes the "A" word.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-24583220400056015252011-01-09T12:43:30.799-08:002011-01-09T12:43:30.799-08:00Tex;
How do you know that? No one ever said from...Tex;<br /><br />How do you know that? No one ever said from stage to find out if your prospect had an opinion about Amway. You're not supposed to tell them it's amway, remember?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-16758408876775823582011-01-07T13:15:34.718-08:002011-01-07T13:15:34.718-08:00Anon,
The reason Dave had to change his guidance ...Anon,<br /><br />The reason Dave had to change his guidance is because of the internet. What Dave meant by "qualify" is whether the person had an opinion regarding Amway.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-30890343951684763762011-01-07T13:13:53.720-08:002011-01-07T13:13:53.720-08:00Anna,
I realize the reality is the reverse. The b...Anna,<br /><br />I realize the reality is the reverse. The biggest reason for that is the Amway Tool Scam.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-54476349108590531212011-01-03T04:05:17.534-08:002011-01-03T04:05:17.534-08:00Dave Severn (he recruited Greg Duncan) said when a...Dave Severn (he recruited Greg Duncan) said when asked who to prospect, "Hold a mirror up to his nose. If it fogs, show him the plan."<br /><br />Everyone cheers!! Right?<br /><br />I was fascinated by this comment and went work busting my butt trying to prospect.<br /><br />Well, the years roll by and dissention is growing ever more ugly in the ranks, he changed it to, "Well, what are you doing just showing this to anyone? Make sure they qualify."<br /><br />Um, I'm confused, Dave. Which is it? Show it to the prospect if he has a pulse, or check his credentials first?<br /><br />You first told us to never prejudge; and then change it to make it look like it's our own fault. How convenient for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-12544855425784863012011-01-01T15:39:08.787-08:002011-01-01T15:39:08.787-08:00You'd still be dealing with Amway jerks at McD...You'd still be dealing with Amway jerks at McDonalds or Burger King. They hold a lot of meetings with prospects at those places. Not to mention they try to prospect the cashier that served them. Working 20 hours a week at Amway to earn $10 is stupid in itself. Buying $300 worth of Amway products just to qualify for that $10 check is the killer. If you were looking at the stock market and someone recommended a stock and said for every $300 you invest you will lose $290 I'd skip that one and be asking for advice on penny stocks that look good or which way the bull and bear are going.Anna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-38073821911829779032011-01-01T15:23:34.507-08:002011-01-01T15:23:34.507-08:00Tex, even if 99% of the peop made money not sure i...Tex, even if 99% of the peop made money not sure id stay. If i had to deal with jerks like ibofb or ambots all day. Also it depends on how much money we're making. If we're busting our hump just to make 10.00 a month and spending 20 hours a week that will be insane. Would be easier to just work partime at mcdonalds or burger king.colinhttp://www.cnn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-56409060780469188082011-01-01T11:47:29.969-08:002011-01-01T11:47:29.969-08:00If 99% of IBO's actually made money I'd sa...If 99% of IBO's actually made money I'd say it was a decent opportunity and one that I'd consider. The reality is its the reverse.Anna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-11529485994082734522010-12-31T20:57:01.504-08:002010-12-31T20:57:01.504-08:00colin,
That's part of the reason I'm here...colin,<br /><br />That's part of the reason I'm here, to educate others, including you. I'm not "obsessed with the percentages" either, I just don't believe in throwing numbers around that are inaccurate. What if 99% of IBOs made a net profit, would you still say Amway is a scam?Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-75121454906741017222010-12-31T16:52:18.562-08:002010-12-31T16:52:18.562-08:00Tex, i wouldnt know about the 99% of the peop losi...Tex, i wouldnt know about the 99% of the peop losing money in amway. Not really obsessed with the percentages. People should just use common sense with reguards to these scams. <br /><br />Graham i agree with you with taking care of your own finances and not rely on the govt.colinhttp://www.ambot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-77338151033072774572010-12-31T11:11:47.566-08:002010-12-31T11:11:47.566-08:00Hi Colin,
My point was that the "leaders"...Hi Colin,<br />My point was that the "leaders" are full of bullshit when they say that the system is going to collapse. You'll get far more money out of Social Security than you'll ever see in net profit from Amway. Best to take care of your own finances and not rely on the gov't anyway.Grahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-66663020799875707222010-12-31T07:10:31.449-08:002010-12-31T07:10:31.449-08:00colin,
You don't have to claim over 99% of IB...colin,<br /><br />You don't have to claim over 99% of IBOs lose money, it was already proven to be true in the UK and Wisconsin courts.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-47065888997434907282010-12-30T20:02:14.162-08:002010-12-30T20:02:14.162-08:00Graham say the govt does change the retirement age...Graham say the govt does change the retirement age to 75. You'll still have a better chance at probably receiving some money from the govt than making a dime in amway. Sounds lame but working two jobs can get you quicker to retirement than social security. Easiest way of never retiring is being involved in amway and throwing money down the drain.colinhttp://www.tsn.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-54380536384798054352010-12-30T16:35:55.206-08:002010-12-30T16:35:55.206-08:00Tex, i did expect you to knit pick my 80% figure i...Tex, i did expect you to knit pick my 80% figure i posted. Doesnt matter to me atleast i kept my losses with amway under 175.00. It's really not rocket science here whether it's 50% or 80% of people quitting within a yr...very few people make any serious money(anything over 100k a yr minus expenses). Had ibofb,bridget,etc tell me i didnt know the bv/pv or whatever volume needed to go platinum,diamond,founders something and that i didnt understand the business ....that i was in the old dinosaur age with tapes. I cant be a total idiot since i realize within the first week that this is a scam and didnt spend yrs,over 10k in losses,or have a broken marriage because of this scam. I rather be watching tv having a couple of beers than worry about a couple wrong stats i posted. If i said i thought 99% of people who join amway lose money....i expect someone to say wrong wrong you know jack shit lol.colinhttp://www.tsn.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-7133209797495343382010-12-30T15:58:39.402-08:002010-12-30T15:58:39.402-08:00I'm not good with numbers.....I'm not good with numbers.....Anna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-92144361675716180152010-12-30T15:03:55.961-08:002010-12-30T15:03:55.961-08:00colin,
I agree, you know little about stats and f...colin,<br /><br />I agree, you know little about stats and figures. Using your small sample and applying it across the board is not smart. You also tried changing from over 80% within a year to 15-24 month 80%. Here's a clue: Less than one year is not equal to 2 years. LOLTexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-12014751008902233322010-12-30T14:24:13.226-08:002010-12-30T14:24:13.226-08:00As Penn & Teller are fond of saying......Bull...As Penn & Teller are fond of saying......Bullshit!!!<br />Tex is right that the contributions are not matching the outflow, but all the govt has to do is change the retirement age to 75 to reduce the outflow. They'll make that move long before the system collapses, so Social Security will be around, it will just likely be a different animal than today. Plus, using that $700/mo to fund an IRA (RRSP Canada) would provide 336K of contributions in 40 years, which is very likely over a $1M with any kind of reasonable return. Then who gives a flying #$%& if SSA is around....you'll have plenty to retire on :-)Grahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-49638469655419992792010-12-29T22:18:20.855-08:002010-12-29T22:18:20.855-08:00They've probably never played horseshoes eithe...They've probably never played horseshoes either!Anna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-48089399942653012772010-12-29T20:21:07.034-08:002010-12-29T20:21:07.034-08:00Tex, im not someone who studies stats and figures....Tex, im not someone who studies stats and figures. But i do know more than 80% of the people who joined with me where out of the business maybe after 12 months. Maybe in the 15-24 month range they where out. Most people can only tolerate so much in losses before quitting. You or ibofb can come on this board and tell me my 15-24 month 80% is wrong and i should educate myself if u wish lol. I simply dont care or have time to check every little stat.colinhttp://www.tsn.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-48161908164470498212010-12-29T19:44:16.506-08:002010-12-29T19:44:16.506-08:00I'd think it would be pretty hard for Amway to...I'd think it would be pretty hard for Amway to defend themselves when confronted with the truth.Anna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373457126465029723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2623443549536997676.post-40665306265188195662010-12-29T17:35:28.693-08:002010-12-29T17:35:28.693-08:00colin,
An over 80% rate would probably result in ...colin,<br /><br />An over 80% rate would probably result in Amway falling apart, as the actual 60-70% rate means 30-40% stay and provide the upline additional tool scam profit as well as recruit new IBOs. ibofb is a LIAR - why do you believe anything he says? <br /><br />Anna,<br /><br />I understood everything about Amway and the Amway Tool Scam before the lawsuit. You'll know when you're involved in legal action, you'll get a knock at your front door and presented with a lawsuit.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.com