Amway Cult Leaders Claim Social Security Won’t Be There When You Retire

I’d say just about every Amway meeting we attended one of the scare tactics the speaker used to say was “Social security won’t be there when you retire”.

Well how do they know? I’m pretty sure it will be. But I suppose like any other guesses the speaker has a 50/50 shot of getting that prediction right. So do I!

Even though I think social security will be there when I retire we have other investments and savings and a combination of all are what I hope will sustain us for the rest of our lives. Or my life anyway. I plan to live until at least 100 and keep dishing shit on Amway Ambots! I just know I’m going to outlive everyone. Those broke Amway losers might be dead by age 65 but I’ll keep on ticking!

People need to make decisions during their working years and hopefully most start some sort of retirement savings plan in their 20’s and add other investments to it over the years. For example save up a down payment for house while in your 20’s. Buy that house in your 20’s or 30’s and by your 50’s or certainly by retirement age your house will be paid in full. Knock off that mortgage payment and that’s a big part of monthly expenses that goes away. Also get rid of any outstanding debt by retirement age and don’t incur any further debt and that will make retirement years less stressful.

Those are the big things. Reaching retirement age without debt and owning your own home are huge. I mean who wants to hit retirement age and still be a renter unless you’ve downsized, sold your house and living off the proceeds. If renting at some point in your life because it fits into your financial plan then that’s your plan. If you follow the Amway plan you’ll be a renter forever. That’s hundreds of dollars you pay each month to a landlord because of poor planning in younger years and throwing your money tithing the Great Amway God.

In aprevious post I estimated average monthly expenses in Amwayaround $700. The unknown factor is if this is disposable income or if IBO’s are running up their credit card (probably the latter!). That monthly $700 could be redirected to a mortgage payment instead of being flushed down the Amway toilet.

Our upline's goal was to strike fear in people’s hearts to scare new prospects to sign up to the Amway cult. For a bunch of bastards who extol the virtues of “don’t say negative” they’re the most negative people I’ve ever met. Full of doom and gloom about the future, businesses shutting down, recession, people losing jobs, social security won’t be there, and blah, blah, blah. Who needs to listen to the negative shit that goes on in Amway cult meetings?

The fucking assholes in the Amway upline scare the IBO’s into thinking that social security won’t be there when they retire so they need to find some other income. Any other plans IBO’s have the upline pokes fun at them and puts them down. According to the "wisdom" of our upline bastards Amway is the only choice and all you have to do is spend 2 to 5 years working part time 10 to 15 hours a week doing the work in order to live off residual income for the rest of your life. Freedom!

Yeah right. There are better options out there than throwing your money at Amway chasing futile dreams.

Don’t think negative like the fucking assholes in our Amway upline. Think positive. Social security will be there when you turn 66. (I got a 50% chance of getting that prediction right!)

Forget social security. With luck Amway won’t be around when I retire! Ha ha ha! 50% chance of me getting that prediction right too!

And one more time from marriedtoanambot let’s just send another big old FUCK YOU out to Amway Scamway and their scammer army of Ambots.
 

Amway Platinums Exploit Their Downline

The last time we pubished Amway Ambots Are Cheap Ass Bastards one of our readers had this to say:

 

What you're pointing out here is that the relationship between down-line and up-line in Amway is essentially exploitative. This fat-assed Platinum expected his down-line to serve him as if he were a king, buying him coffee and snacks, driving him around, and providing expensive materials for meetings.

He used your husband because your family was more affluent than the others in the group, who were all probably dip-shit nobodies with no available cash.

Forcing other people to pay for you is a sign that you are a thoughtless and selfish asshole. But that seems to be the basic style for all Amway Platinums

 

And of course I agreed!

I agree Anonymous. It's one thing to ask someone to buy you a snack and you'll pay them back later instead of just shouting out your order to the person you expect to buy it for you as if that person is their personal cash machine. Which I suppose most downline Ambots are. Every asshole in the Amway upline expects to be treated like royalty with unlimited cash, gifts, and free labor from the Amway losers in their downline.

 

Amway Ambots Are Cheap Ass Bastards

Our sack of shit Platinum used to taunt the Amway cult followers by saying “I could give you a loan but I won’t because that wouldn’t teach you anything. You wouldn’t learn how to make that money on your own.”

Well fuck! The only reason that sack of shit won’t give a loan is because he has no extra cash lying around to give out a loan. Not only does he have a family and household to maintain on an average salary because he is still working a much hated job that pays the bills but he’s in Amway and that means he’s broke all the time. And will be unless he reaches Diamond which he never will because if that was in the cards for him it would have already happened sometime in the last 20 years instead of falling in and out of Platinum qualification. Probably getting angrier and angrier but unable to quit this scam he has devoted most of his life to. (Sideline – from the time this was originally posted a few years ago the sack of shit Platinum was fired by Amway and defected to Monavie where its safe to say he won’t reach Diamond there either! LOL! Cause Monavie bit the dust. Don’t know the current scam he’s flogging)

There were often pre-meetings that took place before the 8pm Amway meetings that the good little Amway warriors had to march off to. These were usually bullshit “counselling” sessions with the sack of shit Platinum. Could take place on a one by one basis or sometimes a small group of ambots would be summoned to meet at a coffee shop. When the sack of shit arrived he’d look around for someone to buy him a snack. Usually at my Ambot who already runs a profitable legitimate business and is older than the other little Amway ambots in the room and more likely to have money or at least room on his credit card. “Buy me a sandwich and coffee” the sack of shit Platinum would order and Ambot would scurry to take care of his Amway cult leader that he worshipped so much.

Other times the sack of shit Platinum would show up at the coffee shop and just call out for someone to get him a coffee and snack. Perhaps one or two of the ambots would scurry to buy the asshole something but usually it was only my husband volunteering. Nobody else had any money and I guess they all looked at Ambot the only homeowner there who owned a legitimate business and drove a nice car as Mr. Moneybags.

Here is a good time to say that our sack of shit Platinum NEVER offered to buy a coffee or a snack for anyone.

What about transportation? It costs money to maintain a car. Almost every Scamway meeting someone drove to the Platinum’s house to pick him up and drive him to where the cult followers were waiting. Price of gas these days its cheaper for the sack of shit Platinum to convince a cult follower that it was a privilege to drive him around. The reality? Saved him putting gas in his car!

The Amway assholes in our upline also expected Ambot to buy the supplies they needed for cult meetings. This was a variety of things. One was a laptop because whoever’s laptop was slower than shit so Ambot would often sneak out of the house with my laptop and give me another reason to dislike those assholes when I decided to go online and couldn’t find my computer anywhere. I mean here are all these fucking assholes in our Amway upline pretending that business is going great and they’re making gazillions of money and none of them can afford to buy a laptop to bring to Amway meetings to use in the presentation. Of which the sack of shit Platinum always led the Amway cult meetings. Why can’t he afford a laptop computer? Especially since he told us he makes about 100k in Amway. People who earn a fraction of that in Amway can afford laptops and he can’t? Scammer and liar!

Someone in our upline who claimed to be a 1000 pin - and perhaps he hit that level at one time in the last 10 years but its not like he did ever again - had a camera that was used for podcasts but it broke. Now instead of him buying another or someone else who was at least 1000 pin level Ambot was ordered to purchase one - $200 cha ching! - to use at Scamway meetings and one of the upline assholes broke that one too. And no we never bought another. That was about the time Ambot had enough of those fucking Amway assholes praying that I would meet another man and leave him. You’d think the asshole who broke the camera would replace it but not that cheap bastard! He probably convinced Ambot there was something wrong with the camera. Blame the victim! Blame the camera! Ambots are always quick to point the finger. I've got one finger I save for people in Amway myself!

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You gotta wonder how those Amway assholes are struggling along at their cult meetings once Ambot never returned with a working lap top and camera!

Same with Amway flash cards. Ambot bought them but the sack of shit Platinum refused to do any cult meetings at our house because Ambot wasn’t able to bring any prospects. We had a lot of no-shows. Well no shit! It is Amway after all. No one wants to get involved with that pyramid scheme! But back to the flash cards. Word was out that Ambot had them at home just in case the sack of shit would hold a meeting at our house and soon he was ordered to bring them to all cult meetings he attended so they could be used. Some thieving ambot in our upline stole them. Oh well. Its not like I wanted them back! I would have even sold them to the thieving Amway asshole for $10 - what a deal! But no. Our line of sponsorship was WWDB the most unethical scheming thieving lying bastards around.

Puts a whole new meaning to tool scam. If ambots can't afford to buy them then they will steal them. Or break them in a jealous rage.

Are Amway IBO’s a bunch of cheap bastards are or they just constantly broke thanks to their involvement in Amway?

Or do they have a sense of entitlement that just because they’re in Amway that everyone else owes them?

I’d say its a combination of all 3.

 

 

 

10 Warning Signs Of A Dangerous Amway Cult Leader

This is an excerpt that was originally on the Rick Ross web site. I guess he must have let his domain expire and another guy with the same name picked it up. Or if it’s the same guy he’s now reviewing casinos. Anyway Rick Ross is on the Cult Education Institute now. You might have seen him on various TV documentaries on the Charles Manson and Jim Jones cults where he gave insight to these dangerous, evil people who Amway cult leaders model themselves after. The original article can now be found here. http://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html

This page is worth a read. In addition to warning signs of a leader it includes a list of warning signs that people might be involved with a dangerous leader. Interestingly there is also a list of 10 signs of a safe leader. Ha ha! Nothing on the safe list can be said about our former sack of shit Platinum! He’s the complete opposite!

Anyway Rick Ross’s list is called Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader but it could just as aptly be named Ten warning signs of a dangerous Amway leader. The comments in black are Rick Ross’s warning signs. The comments in red are mine. Get it. Red is a color warning of danger.

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. This was mostly clear to me from our sack of shit Platinum who we heard speak more than we heard any other speaker, Emerald or Diamond. He demanded everyone in his downline to “ask permission” before doing anything. Constantly telling us to “submit to upline” and never question upline.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. “Never question upline! Who do you think you are asking me something like that! Everything I say is the truth!”
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. The sack of shit never showed us his budget, his profit and loss statement, tax returns, etc. though he wanted to see all of ours.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. All the time! What else is out there except Amway? The answer to everyone’s prayers. Financial security for the rest of your life. Everyone else is doomed to have a J.O.B. and work for someone else. Nothing but negativity at Amway meetings with all the talk of doom and gloom and businesses shutting down and social security won’t be there when you retire, etc.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. The ones who leave are quitters, losers, broke losers, negative, dream stealers, etc. Nothing but insults for those who have quit Amway and current IBO’s are not allowed to associate with them anymore.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. Our stories are all over the Internet. They’re all the same story: upline abuse, brainwashing, financial losses, house foreclosures, bankruptcy, emotional distress, destroyed marriages, alienation from friends and family.....
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. Again all over the Internet are blogs written by former IBO’s. NBC Dateline did an expose. Many former Amway cult followers have written books. Abuse from the upline and lives that have been destroyed by Amway is well documented.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough". A good example of this was the attempt our WWDB group made to sell Amway items for Christmas and rented a community hall for the event. Ambot had several friends show up and one person made purchases. Ambot had the only sale there all day and was rather pleased with himself. When it was over the Platinum highlighted Ambot who was expecting praise but instead he was criticized that only one of his friends purchased Amway products and that meant they weren’t his true friends. It was a constant cycle of abuse where the Platinum would punish, scold and berate and then say “but we still love you”.
9. The group/leader is always right. The sack of shit Platinum is always right. Pompous son of a bitch even told us once that his wife never wins an argument with him because he is always right. Oh gee, one of the top criteria for a happy marriage. According to Amway cult leaders that is.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. Its all about information control. Our Platinum wanted to control the information the IBO’s received. Cult followers are brainwashed to believe the Platinum is always telling the truth. He gave his version of the news and told IBO’s not to listen to the news or read the Internet because it was wrong and could not be trusted whereas he would always tell the truth. Discrediting an information source is easier for the Platinum than debating the truth. By controlling the information the Platinum removes the IBO’s ability to think for themselves. Sleep deprivation also helps the cult leader in the brainwashing. Keeping IBO’s up to 1 or 2 or 3 in the morning and they are so tired that they’re willing to agree everything they hear at that hour is the truth.

Of course we can see it now. I’d say I saw this within a month of knowing the Platinum and getting involved in Amway. Too bad for the bastard that I wouldn’t drink the kool aid. Like we need any further proof that Amway leaders used cult techniques to brainwash their downline.

And then these same cult leaders claim Amway is not a cult. Deny, deny, deny. Lie, lie, lie. That’s the secret to success in Amway.

I’ll just send out another big old fuck you to everyone in our Amway upline. FUCK YOU AMWAY!!!

 

 

Pat On The Back

The last time we ran the Amway Flaunted As A Recession Proof Business post, one of our readers loved it! Here’s a recap:

 

Anna, this is a brilliant column! One of your best!

It shows how utterly stupid and corrupt the higher up-line in Amway is, and how mindless the lower-level ones are. Telling persons that they can survive a recession and a job layoff by being in Amway and living off Amway products? Huh? Could anybody on the planet be that goddamned stupid or evil?

Eat Amway energy bars and vitamins and Perfect Water instead of normal food? What kind of an asshole would even dare to make such a suggestion? Only someone in Amway.

You can make up for a lost paycheck by selling people crummy Amway products? Is that for real? Only someone in Amway would make such an asinine suggestion.

Amway is a criminal enterprise, and I wish it would be targeted by lawmakers who could prosecute it under the RICO Act. Every fucking Platinum and big pin and Diamond should be dragged away in handcuffs.

 

Amway Flaunted As A Recession Proof Business

I can’t tell you how many times I heard the upline sack of shit Platinum spout off that Amway is a recession proof business. He would follow that statement up by saying even in a recession people still need to eat, drink, and use toilet paper.

I have a recording by our fucking asshole Amway sponsor where he says “people running around with their heads cut off about the recession and getting laid off.” He follows that by saying how he starts putting fear into people about their job and how he hopes they don’t have all their eggs in one basket because they’ll be finished. He continues with the scare tactics saying he hopes they have more than one way of making money because if its slow now before Christmas, what’s going to happen after Christmas.

Smarmy evil son of a bitch.

So what happens when families incomes are disrupted due to lay offs or hours getting cut? Or being ordered to show up for work and not getting paid cause I don't consider an IOU being able to cover the bills. Do they look for ways to save money or do they go crazy buying expensive products?

I can’t remember the price of Amway’s toilet paper but it seems to me it was around $60 but I don’t know how many rolls, maybe 48. Whatever many rolls that’s still too high. Get 48 of a well known brand for $15, $20 at the grocery or drug store.

OK, glossed right over that. The Platinum sack of shit also mentioned eat and drink, everyone has to do that.

Sure but when I want food and drink I want it probably that same day not wait a few days for it to be shipped to me. I always shop at a local produce store that’s open year round for my fruits and vegetables. I find they’re fresher and much lower priced than grocery stores. My shopping list might vary with local produce that’s in season or a recipe I’m making but I can go to the produce store and buy a sack of potatoes, a bag of onions, tomatoes, carrots, celery, mushrooms, peppers, bananas, grapes, oranges, apples and get change from a $20 bill.

What kind of fresh vegetables and fruit does Amway sell? Would that be none? Oh wait some IBO is going to argue with me that who needs fresh produce when they can buy Nutrilite vitamins. Ah yes there’s a healthy choice. Not to mention an expensive one. When you’re hungry munching an apple might fill you up a bit. Pop a vitamin and you’ll still be hungry afterwards!

Does Amway sell eggs? Hmm, would that be another no? But my neighbor who’s got an in with a chicken farmer sells them for $1/dozen.

There’s a warehouse bakery that supplies all the grocery stores around here. They have a shop at their warehouse. I’ve been going there for years and buying bread for half price or less than what’s charged at the grocery stores. I can stock up my freezer for a month on less than $20 and that’s gourmet grain bread, garlic bread, bagels, and hamburger buns.

Who can tell me what kind of bread Amway sells? An IBO might argue Amway sells crackers and I should change my eating habits.

I bet those crackers cost a lot less at the grocery store than what Amway sells them for.

Then I hit the grocery store for the rest of my shopping. Now is when IBO’s will try to convince me that just about everything I want to buy at the grocery store is available from Amway. What about seafood - fresh or frozen? Does Amway sell that? Oh god some IBO is going to spout off about Nutrilite with Omega 3.

Drinks? Um I don’t drink energy drinks and XS is fucking disgusting so I’d never buy that! Perfect Water at a per bottle price of $2 each. I can buy a case of bottled water at Wal-Mart for $2 or $3 depends if its on sale. I don’t normally buy bottled water anyway. Our tap water is good. I tried some chocolate flavored Amway drink once in a tetra pack. Tasted like chalk. Don’t know what it was. Ambot thought I liked it so he ordered more and when they arrived they’d already passed the expiry date so I wouldn’t drink them. Really good quality control there Amway!

Recession or not people like to get good deals and they’ll shop where they can get good prices and get their money’s worth. When money is tight some people will even forgo quality for price. I can fill my fridge, freezer, larder for a month with good healthy choices for under $300 the minimum amount that IBO's have to fork out each month to stay in qualification to get a less than $10 check. That $300 worth of PV isn't putting hot, tasty, healthy meals on my table. Not to mention the ice cream for dessert that Amway can't sell me.

Amway IBO's can claim all they want that Amway is a recession proof business but can you find customers or sign up new prospects when money is tight?

Whether or not Amway’s a recession proof business is debatable - depending on whether or not you’re an IBO! - but selling to customers who’ve been hit by the recession and are watching their pennies is a tough sell. Why pressure these people? They’re already struggling financially why push them on a business with a 99% failure rate.

 

Amway Products Are Too Fucking Expensive!

Who remembers going to Amway meetings and hearing the cult leader brainwashing and bullshitting the followers who are having difficulty overcoming customer objections to buying Amway products because the price is too high.

And who remembers the lying scamming fucking Amway asshole who has the canned Amspeak response for everything saying something like: “Amway’s products are priced high to reflect their high quality.”

LOL! Bullshit!

Amway does NOT sell high quality products. Compare to similar items sold in the retail stores Amway’s products are grossly overpriced, they’re usually substandard or generic at best compared with similar lower priced products sold everywhere else.

I never believed the bullshit from the fucking assholes in our Amway upline about how Amway’s high prices reflect their high quality. I know good quality and I know bad quality and I can tell the difference pretty damn quick by trying the product myself.

I mean I am scared shitless to try energy drinks because the fucking assholes in our Amway upline said XS is the best energy drink out there. XS tastes like cat piss or depending on the flavor maybe a combo of cat piss and the worst cough medicine out there. If that’s the best energy drink in the world then damn right I’m scared shitless to try any other brand because what if. I mean just what if this is the one rare time when those fucking assholes in our Amway upline weren’t lying and there are actually energy drinks out there that taste worst than Amway’s XS piss water.

Amway’s high quality LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL have got nothing to do with why their products are so high priced. It’s all got to do with profit and commission.

Let’s take the $20 lipstick Amway sells. It costs about $1 to make lipstick and that includes the packaging. Compare to Avon where I can buy a $3 lipstick and there are lots of color choices. Amway only offers about 5 shades. Maybe more now but I doubt it. Undoubtedly the price has also increased but we're sticking to $20 because it's an easy number to work with. So what’s the better deal. Avon of course. And Avon wins everytime when comparing their products to Amway’s. Avon has better prices, better quality, and better selection. The only people buying Amway’s lipstick are female Ambots or the wives of Ambots. They probably have poor decision making abilities too. When you only have 5 colors to choose from it shouldn’t take too long to make a decision.

But go back to Amway’s $20 lipstick and my hypothetical guess at how the dollars are distributed though I’m probably pretty close. After manufacturing that leaves $19 proceeds. Amway’s owners need to jack up the price so they can make a hefty profit plus every little thing they sale must have a portion going to their overall operating expenses. So out of that $19 let’s say Amway’s owners take $15. They put a bit of that back into their business operating expenses but mostly its split between the owners.  That leaves $4. Is that the commission for the Ambot at the bottom of the pyramid who made the sale? Hell no! That’s communal commission split many ways. The guy doing all the hard work making the sale only makes pennies. Let’s say the Amway commissioned salesman makes 6 cents after busting his ass begging and pleading with some woman he knows to buy his overpriced shitty Amway lipstick. The rest of that $4 is split in commission in everyone in his Amway upline because that’s how this scam works. Ambots way high up in the pyramid that he’s never met are making money off his sale. And because they have a higher BV they’re making more commission that that loser ambot who made the sale! LOL! Surely those dumb fucks who want to be commissioned sales reps can find a better paying job than Scamway.

The high price does NOT reflect Amway’s high quality. It reflects how many people have to get a piece of the sale’s action.

The same scenario can be played out whether its Amway’s $40 laundry soap or $100 vitamins. Again products that don’t cost a whole lot to manufacture including the packaging. But Amway’s owners take a huge chunk of each sale for their profit and the balance is left over for commission for everyone in the upline of the jackass Ambot who made the sale.

So there you have it. The next time a lying scamming fucking Amway asshole tries to bullshit you that Amway’s products are priced so high to reflect their high quality tell the bastard the real reason. The products have to be so high priced so everyone can get a piece of the commission and Amway owners can make a huge profit of the sale. It ain’t got piss all to do with quality because the quality of Amway’s products is the shits and if they were really priced to reflect the quality Amway wouldn’t sell nothing that costs more than a buck..