Why Your Significant Other Can’t Stand The Fucking Assholes In Your Amway Upline

I thought I’d cover some reasons why significant others can’t tolerate their upline and ultimately Amway based on my experiences but I see too many similar stories all over the Internet. I am not unique!

1. The sponsor is an asshole! Our sponsor, aka Captain Fuck Up aka the arrogant prick, is someone Ambot has known for years. He is the most useless piece of shit I’ve ever met. Besides being arrogant some of his other finer points are he’s unreliable, irresponsible, stomps off in temper tantrums, and is asshole ugly. From there it goes downhill! If the sponsor is someone that the significant other has nothing to do with then it is a really bad idea to let this fucker sign you up to Amway. Any existing problems with this jerk ass will only worsen. Bad bad idea getting involved in anything - whether it be Amway or anything else - with a person your significant other doesn’t want anything to do with. The resentment only grows.

2. Loss of money. We had already tried the Amway thing. I knew exactly what would happen again. We’d throw a lot of money away buying expensive products that I don’t like and don’t use. We’d throw away even more money on various tools to “grow your business” and all the various expenses that go along with travelling to out of state functions several times a year. If I was lucky our losses would be a few thousand dollars until Ambot ran out of money or became disenchanted again. Myestimates show to budget at least $700/month for Amwayrelated expenses. How many people have that kind of disposable cash lying around? If not, see number 3.

3. Going into debt. This could be credit card debt as in Ambot’s case. Other people take out second mortgages on their homes or lines of credit. Any way you look at it IBO’s are borrowing money to fund their upline’s dreams and many former IBO’s have lost their homes and declared bankruptcy when they can’t repay the money they borrowed for Amway.

4. Loss of time. Forget the often touted 10 to 15 hours a week - your spouse will waste way more time than that! They have to prospect every person they run into telling them about this kick ass home based opportunity where you can make $75,000/year oh hell no make it $100,000/year in your spare time and beg them to come to a board plan meeting all the while denying it has anything to do with Amway. Hours spent on the phone and text messages with upline. Two or three board plans each week at various downline/crossline houses or it might be a larger function where a Diamond comes to town once or twice a month. Lowball estimate 5 hours a night for these meetings. Weekend rallies happen about once a month where a Diamond comes to town and new pins are awarded. Depends if its a one or 2 day event. Say at least 10 hours but that could be doubled. Family Reunion, Free Enterprise Days, and Spring Leadership always seem to be held hundreds of miles away. Several hours driving each way and then at least 30 hours tied up for weekend events. And that’s a conservative estimate. All that time spent with Amway related events takes the IBO out of the picture for birthdays, weddings, spending time with family and friends, outings, vacations, shopping, etc. How many pissed off spouses have sat alone home on their birthdays while their significant other rushed off to an Amway meeting? Not to mention not getting any support with household chores.

5. Can’t stand the upline. This is closely connected to the general dislike of the sponsor and people they associate with. Dislike of the upline might take awhile at least until it becomes obvious that the upline are monopolizing the spouse’s time. And money. But usually the Amway disinterested spouse just gets pissed off at all the bullshit spouting out of the upline’s mouths and then refuses to have anything to do with them.

6. Brainwashing. This is part of the upline’s strategy to separate the new IBO from “negative” forces in their life which includes any spouses not interested in Amway. The crazy thing is the upline themselves are the most negative bastards around spreading their predictions of doom and gloom and misery and the only way to escape this horrible existence is belonging to the Amway cult. Although some Ambots say they’re not in a line of sponsorship that abuses IBO’s or uses cult-like brainwashing techniques, I was in a line that did. You’ll know its happening when the spouse stops thinking for himself and parrots everything the upline says. The spouse accepts everything the upline says as the truth until he becomes conditioned to think that there is no way in hell this information could be wrong. He denies what is happening to himself and his life, separating himself from reality.

7. Deception. Call it whatever you want – all Ambots are guilty of lying. They lie about their affiliation with Amway, their success, and any abuses that might be happening in their group. The big lie is the tool scam and how the greedy upline leaders are obsessed with making money at the expense of their downline. Ambot wasn’t too good at prospecting because he’d break down quickly and tell prospects that this was Amway and then he’d lie and say everything’s going really good. All IBO’s are conditioned to say that even though none of them are making money at their Amway business. Its really annoying to listen to the spouse not being truthful when you know damn well they’re not making any money at the Amway scheme.

Add them up and this is why the spouse can’t stand the upline and/or Amway and why this causes trouble in a partnership. Brainwashed IBO’s will parrot their upline and claim “That’s because there is already something wrong with their marriage/relationship”. The standard answer whenever a spouse doesn’t want anything to do with Amway.

But not one of those fucking IBO’s can explain why there were no existing marital problems before Amway entered the picture. 

 

Taxes Are A Sign Of Success Unless You’re A Brainwashed Amway Loser

Nobody likes paying taxes, but something brainwashed Amway Ambots fail to understand is that paying taxes is a sign that you’re successful and profitable in your career. To sum it up simply, make two columns: income and expenses. Total them up. If the income total is higher than the expense total then yay business is going great. But oh shit you got to pay taxes on that income. But that’s a sign of success being profitable in your business. Then the reverse is that the column with the expenses total is higher than the income. Oops business isn’t going so good and for some businesses it takes awhile for the income to grow or maybe its been a bad business year. When you have more expenses that you can write off against your income then you’ll get a refund at tax time. Damn! Business is the shits.

Or if you’re a dumb fuck Amway Ambot you brag you’re getting a tax refund which is pretty much what is taught at Amway meetings that’s the secret to making money in Amway. You write off EVERY Amway expense yup all this shitty food bars and vitamins and the cat piss energy drinks and Communikate and books and tickets to functions and hotels against the income from your real job and you’ll get a refund. So that’s why you hear Amway Ambots lying about how business is going great and at the same time bragging about how they got a tax refund. Bunch of lying scamming fucking Amway assholes.

Uncle Sam disagrees that the only way for an Amway Ambot to make money at their scam is through a tax refund. AUDIT!!!! I mean the IRS has a whole handbook dedicated to Amway IBO’s for their staff to consult because the IRS has determined Amway is an expensive social club and the cult followers have no chance of making money selling soap and snake oil. Does the IRS have a whole handbook dedicated to McDonald’s employees or Chipotle staff? Unlikely because they’re probably not lying scamming tax cheats like Amway Ambots. What does that tell you. There are cases published online about how Ambots are getting audited through scamming on their taxes. And when you’re considering what expenses you can write off, Uncle Sam doesn’t count groceries and household supplies unless of course that’s the nature of your business like you run a restaurant or take in laundry for a living. And even those types of business are looking for ways to keep their costs down and wouldn’t buy overpriced shitty Amway products. So if you can stick it in your mouth and swallow it, don’t expense it on your taxes or you’ll be up shit creek.

I also want to say another scenario for legitimate business owners - not Amway scammers with their pretend business - is that you can get a good accountant and a good financial consultant and with the right investments and write offs you can bring your taxable income down as much as possible and pay less taxes. That’s mostly what real business owners worry about it. How they can pay less taxes.

The assholes in our Amway upline told us that everything to do with “the business” is tax deductible.

Our upline even said our dog food is tax deductible because our dog guards the house where we have Amway meetings.

Now does everyone remember how you can tell when an Amway Ambot is lying? …. Their mouth is moving!

We were told that all Amway products we buy are tax deductible. I seriously doubted that and so did our accountant whose services we use for our legitimate business. The upline made it sound like anything and everything about Amway products and tools is tax deductible and we’ll get our money back in the form of tax refunds and therefore its all free.

For some people this makes it easier to keep shelling out money if they’re given the hope that it will all be returned at the end of the year in the way of a tax refund. To hear upline tell it, this business, if nothing else, is a great tax shelter.

Uncle Sam might disagree.

This is a good example of why its not a good idea to take everything the assholes in the Amway upline says as gospel truth especially in areas that aren’t of their expertise. A person working a J.O.B. as an unskilled laborer or slinging burgers while walking the Amway path to financial freedom (LOL!) is probably not the best expert on what is and what is not a legitimate tax deduction especially if they've never hired the services of a professional accountant. You know an accountant who went to a real business school. Not some jackshit fucking Amway asshole who’s a pretend accountant because he got a degree at Amway University and that qualifies him to give pretend financial advice to dumb asses running pretend Amway businesses.

Fortunately Ambot took the counsel of our knowledgeable, experienced accountant instead of his upline when it came to acceptable tax deductions.

As our accountant tells it to us - save all receipts except for the grocery bills and they can write them off. That would disqualify anything edible/consumable that Amway sells as a tax write off.

That was contradictory advice from the assholes in our Amway upline. They told us to buy Amway drinks and food bars and vitamins because they have high PV/BV.

The same items our accountant tells us that we can not claim on our tax return because they fall under the grocery category.

Use your own judgement on this one. Fortunately Ambot did. Our upline were a bunch of scammers and liars as they shoved the Amway business opportunity down everyone's throats. I disregarded everything they said anyway and am sure glad I didn't listen to them try to scam us about legitimate tax deductions.

So the moral of the story is don’t take tax advice from a lying scamming fucking Amway asshole.

 

 

Hey Ambot! What’s In Your Garage?

I saw a poston Amthrax about a lot of Xango boxes stacked in the garage. There was no room to park a car in there though the fellow still managed to cram his motorbike in - a quick shot of it while the camera pans the garage. Edited to add – since this post first appeared the video is no longer able to be seen.

Just about everywhere a lot of people have their garages packed full of storage items so there is no room to park a car in there. Absolutely crazy. Unless this is only a temporary residence -  downsize! Ask most people what the purpose of a garage is and they’ll say its a place to park the car. Not a storage unit.

Our Platinum had a regular sized house with a 2 car garage. His cars were parked in the driveway. I went inside their garage. There were a lot of Amway boxes in there but not so much that a car or two couldn’t be parked inside if they shoved those boxes against the wall and stacked them. I’m not sure if this was personal consumption or sales but I suspect most of it was given out as samples, and here I’m talking XS Energy Drinks and Perfect Water. Remember our Platinum was screwing over Amway by getting free sample cases because he’d call in to say his customer didn’t like the product and they’d send him a replacement. That kept him in drinks and to give out samples.

The real reason cars could not be parked in here were because of all the tables. You’d think this place was a boutique run by the Ambot Addams Family. Even in the dim light we could see every table held Amway products and practically one of everything that was sold in the catalogue. Every type of Artistry makeup on one table. Skin care on another table. Nutrilite on another table. Food bars and drinks on another table. Cleaning products on another table. And so on. A rough estimate is 12  to 15 card tables. It would be kind of fun driving a car in there and busting some of that damn Amway shit!

I’m not really sure why they had the garage set out this way. Its not like there were just exclusive Amway products on show. They had other things stored in the garage like sporting equipment, car products, and tools. We’re not talking ambience here. If this was supposed to be set up like a store where customers come in to look over the products and then place an order, the Platinum didn’t say anything to us about that. In fact they didn’t say much of anything. Just herded us all in there to take a look - had to be about 30 or 40 IBO’s there that day - and we had to squeeze inbetween people and laden tables. This is worse than hitting an electronics shop on Black Friday! Everyone just hung out talking because no one could move being packed in like sardines. And then after the Platinum decided we’d done enough oohing and ahhing and worshipping of his Amway store, we went back inside the house for the Amway meeting.

One time Ambot had to pick something up at the Emerald’s house. Or maybe he was dropping something off. Running an errand for the Platinum obviously. When Ambot got home he told me he’d seen the garage. He estimated there were over 100 boxes of Perfect Water in there. The Emerald told him those were his customer sales for the month. I just can't see a market for overpriced water. Maybe those customers were IBO’s in his downline. The Emerald couldn’t park his car in the garage either.

The big question is did he really have customers for all those boxes of water (unlikely) or was he stockpiling product and getting his PV up there?

We’ll never know. Fortunately Ambot didn’t stockpile products hoping for future sales. All the useless Amway products he bought were bad enough. I enjoyed tossing them in the trash after Ambot finally had enough of this scam.

Spending money on Amway = tossing it in the garbage. We might as well have burned twenty dollar bills. Would have been cheaper in the long run.

 

Amway Recruiters Are Liars And Fear Peddlers

The last time we published Amway Cult Leaders Claim Social Security Won’t Be There When You Retire - one of our readers had this to say:

 

Amway recruiters are trained to do two things: lie shamelessly, and terrorize people. Social Security has been around for nearly a century now, and is the bedrock security plan for the vast majority of Americans. No politician would DARE to touch it. Amway recruiters are lying through their teeth when they say that the system will disappear.

They also like to scare people. Like telling them that their jobs are meaningless, that brick-and-mortar stores will become obsolete, that if you don't attend some asshole "function" you won't get anywhere, that if you don't take Nutrilite vitamins you'll die, that friends and family members who don't support your Amway business are vicious enemies, and that thinking independently for yourself is a major crime.

In all of America, there isn't a more rotten, corrupt, nasty, and dishonest company than the Amway Corporation, and all of its little AMO subsystems.

 

For sure!!! Here’s what I say

Being liars and terrorizing others is about all Amway losers can do to recruit new members to the Amway cult. All cults promise something good to happen to their flock. With Amway the promise is in 2 to 5 years of working part time 10 to 15 hours a week all the Ambots will have bazillions of dollars rolling in every month for the rest of their lives.

I agree. Amway is the worst, corrupt, most evil, rotten company I've ever dealt with in anywhere I've been in America. No other company destroys lives worse than Amway does and brings the participants emotional and financial distress. Pure shit evil.

 

Amway Cult Leaders Claim Social Security Won’t Be There When You Retire

I’d say just about every Amway meeting we attended one of the scare tactics the speaker used to say was “Social security won’t be there when you retire”.

Well how do they know? I’m pretty sure it will be. But I suppose like any other guesses the speaker has a 50/50 shot of getting that prediction right. So do I!

Even though I think social security will be there when I retire we have other investments and savings and a combination of all are what I hope will sustain us for the rest of our lives. Or my life anyway. I plan to live until at least 100 and keep dishing shit on Amway Ambots! I just know I’m going to outlive everyone. Those broke Amway losers might be dead by age 65 but I’ll keep on ticking!

People need to make decisions during their working years and hopefully most start some sort of retirement savings plan in their 20’s and add other investments to it over the years. For example save up a down payment for house while in your 20’s. Buy that house in your 20’s or 30’s and by your 50’s or certainly by retirement age your house will be paid in full. Knock off that mortgage payment and that’s a big part of monthly expenses that goes away. Also get rid of any outstanding debt by retirement age and don’t incur any further debt and that will make retirement years less stressful.

Those are the big things. Reaching retirement age without debt and owning your own home are huge. I mean who wants to hit retirement age and still be a renter unless you’ve downsized, sold your house and living off the proceeds. If renting at some point in your life because it fits into your financial plan then that’s your plan. If you follow the Amway plan you’ll be a renter forever. That’s hundreds of dollars you pay each month to a landlord because of poor planning in younger years and throwing your money tithing the Great Amway God.

In aprevious post I estimated average monthly expenses in Amwayaround $700. The unknown factor is if this is disposable income or if IBO’s are running up their credit card (probably the latter!). That monthly $700 could be redirected to a mortgage payment instead of being flushed down the Amway toilet.

Our upline's goal was to strike fear in people’s hearts to scare new prospects to sign up to the Amway cult. For a bunch of bastards who extol the virtues of “don’t say negative” they’re the most negative people I’ve ever met. Full of doom and gloom about the future, businesses shutting down, recession, people losing jobs, social security won’t be there, and blah, blah, blah. Who needs to listen to the negative shit that goes on in Amway cult meetings?

The fucking assholes in the Amway upline scare the IBO’s into thinking that social security won’t be there when they retire so they need to find some other income. Any other plans IBO’s have the upline pokes fun at them and puts them down. According to the "wisdom" of our upline bastards Amway is the only choice and all you have to do is spend 2 to 5 years working part time 10 to 15 hours a week doing the work in order to live off residual income for the rest of your life. Freedom!

Yeah right. There are better options out there than throwing your money at Amway chasing futile dreams.

Don’t think negative like the fucking assholes in our Amway upline. Think positive. Social security will be there when you turn 66. (I got a 50% chance of getting that prediction right!)

Forget social security. With luck Amway won’t be around when I retire! Ha ha ha! 50% chance of me getting that prediction right too!

And one more time from marriedtoanambot let’s just send another big old FUCK YOU out to Amway Scamway and their scammer army of Ambots.
 

Amway Platinums Exploit Their Downline

The last time we pubished Amway Ambots Are Cheap Ass Bastards one of our readers had this to say:

 

What you're pointing out here is that the relationship between down-line and up-line in Amway is essentially exploitative. This fat-assed Platinum expected his down-line to serve him as if he were a king, buying him coffee and snacks, driving him around, and providing expensive materials for meetings.

He used your husband because your family was more affluent than the others in the group, who were all probably dip-shit nobodies with no available cash.

Forcing other people to pay for you is a sign that you are a thoughtless and selfish asshole. But that seems to be the basic style for all Amway Platinums

 

And of course I agreed!

I agree Anonymous. It's one thing to ask someone to buy you a snack and you'll pay them back later instead of just shouting out your order to the person you expect to buy it for you as if that person is their personal cash machine. Which I suppose most downline Ambots are. Every asshole in the Amway upline expects to be treated like royalty with unlimited cash, gifts, and free labor from the Amway losers in their downline.

 

Amway Ambots Are Cheap Ass Bastards

Our sack of shit Platinum used to taunt the Amway cult followers by saying “I could give you a loan but I won’t because that wouldn’t teach you anything. You wouldn’t learn how to make that money on your own.”

Well fuck! The only reason that sack of shit won’t give a loan is because he has no extra cash lying around to give out a loan. Not only does he have a family and household to maintain on an average salary because he is still working a much hated job that pays the bills but he’s in Amway and that means he’s broke all the time. And will be unless he reaches Diamond which he never will because if that was in the cards for him it would have already happened sometime in the last 20 years instead of falling in and out of Platinum qualification. Probably getting angrier and angrier but unable to quit this scam he has devoted most of his life to. (Sideline – from the time this was originally posted a few years ago the sack of shit Platinum was fired by Amway and defected to Monavie where its safe to say he won’t reach Diamond there either! LOL! Cause Monavie bit the dust. Don’t know the current scam he’s flogging)

There were often pre-meetings that took place before the 8pm Amway meetings that the good little Amway warriors had to march off to. These were usually bullshit “counselling” sessions with the sack of shit Platinum. Could take place on a one by one basis or sometimes a small group of ambots would be summoned to meet at a coffee shop. When the sack of shit arrived he’d look around for someone to buy him a snack. Usually at my Ambot who already runs a profitable legitimate business and is older than the other little Amway ambots in the room and more likely to have money or at least room on his credit card. “Buy me a sandwich and coffee” the sack of shit Platinum would order and Ambot would scurry to take care of his Amway cult leader that he worshipped so much.

Other times the sack of shit Platinum would show up at the coffee shop and just call out for someone to get him a coffee and snack. Perhaps one or two of the ambots would scurry to buy the asshole something but usually it was only my husband volunteering. Nobody else had any money and I guess they all looked at Ambot the only homeowner there who owned a legitimate business and drove a nice car as Mr. Moneybags.

Here is a good time to say that our sack of shit Platinum NEVER offered to buy a coffee or a snack for anyone.

What about transportation? It costs money to maintain a car. Almost every Scamway meeting someone drove to the Platinum’s house to pick him up and drive him to where the cult followers were waiting. Price of gas these days its cheaper for the sack of shit Platinum to convince a cult follower that it was a privilege to drive him around. The reality? Saved him putting gas in his car!

The Amway assholes in our upline also expected Ambot to buy the supplies they needed for cult meetings. This was a variety of things. One was a laptop because whoever’s laptop was slower than shit so Ambot would often sneak out of the house with my laptop and give me another reason to dislike those assholes when I decided to go online and couldn’t find my computer anywhere. I mean here are all these fucking assholes in our Amway upline pretending that business is going great and they’re making gazillions of money and none of them can afford to buy a laptop to bring to Amway meetings to use in the presentation. Of which the sack of shit Platinum always led the Amway cult meetings. Why can’t he afford a laptop computer? Especially since he told us he makes about 100k in Amway. People who earn a fraction of that in Amway can afford laptops and he can’t? Scammer and liar!

Someone in our upline who claimed to be a 1000 pin - and perhaps he hit that level at one time in the last 10 years but its not like he did ever again - had a camera that was used for podcasts but it broke. Now instead of him buying another or someone else who was at least 1000 pin level Ambot was ordered to purchase one - $200 cha ching! - to use at Scamway meetings and one of the upline assholes broke that one too. And no we never bought another. That was about the time Ambot had enough of those fucking Amway assholes praying that I would meet another man and leave him. You’d think the asshole who broke the camera would replace it but not that cheap bastard! He probably convinced Ambot there was something wrong with the camera. Blame the victim! Blame the camera! Ambots are always quick to point the finger. I've got one finger I save for people in Amway myself!

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You gotta wonder how those Amway assholes are struggling along at their cult meetings once Ambot never returned with a working lap top and camera!

Same with Amway flash cards. Ambot bought them but the sack of shit Platinum refused to do any cult meetings at our house because Ambot wasn’t able to bring any prospects. We had a lot of no-shows. Well no shit! It is Amway after all. No one wants to get involved with that pyramid scheme! But back to the flash cards. Word was out that Ambot had them at home just in case the sack of shit would hold a meeting at our house and soon he was ordered to bring them to all cult meetings he attended so they could be used. Some thieving ambot in our upline stole them. Oh well. Its not like I wanted them back! I would have even sold them to the thieving Amway asshole for $10 - what a deal! But no. Our line of sponsorship was WWDB the most unethical scheming thieving lying bastards around.

Puts a whole new meaning to tool scam. If ambots can't afford to buy them then they will steal them. Or break them in a jealous rage.

Are Amway IBO’s a bunch of cheap bastards are or they just constantly broke thanks to their involvement in Amway?

Or do they have a sense of entitlement that just because they’re in Amway that everyone else owes them?

I’d say its a combination of all 3.