Amway Scamway And Facebook

I remember at Amway cult meetings our sack of shit Platinum would talk about Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg. I’m a little foggy on what the Amway asshole was spouting off on because he often went off on rants for an hour or so getting distracted constantly and heading off on a new rant as something else to bitch about crossed his mind.

Facebook started trading on the stock market May 18 2012 at $38 except it shot up to an opening of $42. It hit a high of $45 before settling in around the $40 mark. Over the next few months it dropped to around $20. The last time we ran this post about four years ago the stock shares were around $140 and it was noted that's down from its high at $382 in 2021. It's ticker is now Meta Platforms Inc and it's been trading around $600 most of this year. $525 low to a high of $650 so let's just call it around $600 but if you buy some today - check the price first! I'm not here giving you stock advice but yes I have some in my portfolio! I only wish I'd bought in at $20...

When Facebook first started many employees were offered stock options so today many of Facebook’s staff are now worth tens of millions of dollars. Many of them are now in their forties. Many of them could walk away and never work again for the rest of their lives.

A concept that is pretty much foreign when it comes to Amway no matter how the lying Ambot bastards are all bragging about retiring at age 22. The only Amway people who don’t have to work for the rest of their lives and have millions of dollars rolling in would be the heirs of the founders/owners.

Ambots go around bragging that Amway made $11 billion in sales last year. Or 12 or 13 or 15 billion. Whatever lies the Ambot is currently pitching. Amway’s sales are below 8 billion. That’s good for the owners of the company but not so much for employees. Well unless any employees are given profit sharing options. I doubt it because I’ve had employees show up here to say that Amway gives them fuck all in benefits.

Take that 8 billion in sales. That’s not profit. That’s sales. An Amway Ambot wouldn’t understand the difference. Now comes overhead - cost of production, cost of maintaining Amway buildings, payroll, taxes, etc. I’m not sure how much is leftover after all financial obligations are met for profit for the Amway owners but I do know that the owners ain’t splitting their profit with the lowly employees/IBOs. They donate some to charity so they can take less of a hit on their personal income taxes and they are living in mansions and jet setting around the world. The heirs are not showing up at Amway functions flogging their wares. Amway shut down two warehouses in 2018 so if those buildings are sold that’s extra profit for the company owners. You can be sure they ain’t splitting the equity with any Ambots.

The majority of IBO’s get a commission check of around $10/month from Amway if they bought the required quota of 100PV about $300 worth of Amway products that month. That’s how Amway makes that just under $8 billion in sales. An army of brainwashed ambots who will keep buying these overpriced products until they get tired of losing money and quit. Its bad enough losing all that money buying Amway products when the same products can be purchased at grocery and drug stores for less, therefore saving money. I might not be getting a $10 commission check from Walmart but if I spend $75 buying the same products that it costs me $300+ to buy from Amway then I’m coming out ahead. Especially since I’m buying better quality products from Walmart. I mean nothing pisses me off more than spending 3 to 4 times more money for Amway’s shitty dishwasher soap that doesn’t get my dishes clean when I can buy a better product at Walmart for a fraction of the price and I don’t have to wash dishes a second time around by hand.

I would say Facebook has probably created a lot more millionaires than Amway when it comes to people in their 20’s and 30’s who can retire and never work again.

I would say that Facebook doesn’t get called a scam or a pyramid scheme. Or at least nowhere near as much as Amway does.

I would say that Facebook created a lot more people than Amway who were able to work for two to five years and then walk away and retire on their riches or have residual income rolling in for the rest of their lives.

I’d say Facebook doesn’t get accused of brainwashing and using mind control techniques as much as Amway does.

I’d say Facebook doesn’t get accused of followers losing tons of money the way Amway does. At least not yet! Who knows what the stock market will do!

I’d say Facebook doesn’t get accused of destroying marriages and causing as many divorces as Amway does. 

I’d say Facebook doesn’t get accused of causing as much emotional distress as Amway does.

I’d say Facebook doesn’t get accused of ripping people off like Amway does.

So just what did our sack of shit Platinum say about Facebook? Its starting to come back to me now! Mostly he bitched about the founder who at 22 years old is worth billions of dollars. The fucker was probably jealous! The typical WWDB doctrine of destroying what other people have because nothing makes those World Wide Destructive Bastards happier than when they’re destroying other people’s relationships and finances.

Mostly the sack of shit Platinum talked about using Facebook to snipe prospects into Amway. Not a good idea because Facebook will suspend your account if you’re spamming recruits into your scam MLM pyramid scheme.

It costs $300/month minimum to invest in “your own” Amway business. For that you get back a $10 commission check. Take that same $300 and don't buy nothing from Amway for two months and then use the $600 to buy a share of Facebook stock. Ambots are going way over $600 buying Amway shit anyway. If you’re a CORE ambot you spend closer to $700/month investing in “your business” and you can take that $700 and buy shares of Facebook stock. Even if Facebook drops in half overnight and you sell, you still get more money back than that $10 you get back from Amway for investing the same dollar amount! And you probably have a whole lot more fun losing that money than you do losing even more money in Amway! Because when you’re losing money in Amway you still have to put up with being abused from the fucking assholes in your Amway upline. At least when you lose money in Facebook nobody is abusing you and calling you a loser quitter negative unchristian dreamstealer when you decide to quit and sell your shares.

I know I’d rather go around bragging that I own shares in Facebook stock than bragging that I’m an Amway “business owner”. One of them gains respect in the eyes of the person you told that too. The other sinks you a few notches down the old shithole that you’re a dumb ass for putting your money into a pyramid scheme.

 

Amway’s Outrageous Shipping Costs

The last time we ran this post one of our readers said: The last time I made a pity purchase from Amway the free shipping minimum was $750! That was about five years ago so things could have changed.

When Ambot signed up as an IBO the first three months the products he purchased were delivered for free. After that shipping was billed.

Outside customers who are not IBO’s get free shipping if they’ve purchased a minimum amount. I don’t recall the amount but I think it was $75. I’m sure if I have the number wrong someone will comment. I only vaguely recall there was a minimum amount because a friend of ours who took pity on Ambot decided to buy laundry soap. When it came to check out she cancelled the order. I guess there must have been a report somewhere that Ambot saw he a lost sale so he phoned her to ask why and she said the shipping fee was too much because she hadn’t met the minimum amount to get it shipped for free. Since this post first appeared, someone left a comment that the minimum amount with Amway is much higher to get free shipping, $500 or more. I don’t know for sure. Not defending Scamway’s shipping costs by any means but some companies out there always charge for shipping no matter how much stuff you buy. But Amway is the topic here and how they nickel and dime the Ambots.

That laundry soap was pretty expensive around $40. Not wanting to lose a sale Ambot offered to buy it and put it on his next order (that he paid the shipping fees on) and our friend agreed. She didn’t buy it ever again though stating it was too expensive.

And she was right. You can buy good well known name brands environmentally friendly concentrated laundry soap at Wal-Mart for $10. Since Ambot left Amway and I can buy laundry soap of my choosing our clothes come out a lot cleaner than with the Amway SA8 or whatever their laundry soap was called.

Seeing as how Amway uses Amazon on its board plan presentation as a comparison for Internet shopping, I’ll use it as a comparison for shipping.

Buy minimum $25 from Amazon and get free shipping. Or if you're a Prime member you always get free shipping even if you bought less than $25 in products.

Gee, that comes well under Amway’s minimum threshold. Its not hard to buy 2 or 3 books that you want to read and hit the $25.

On the other hand its just as easy to reach $25 in Amway products to purchase. But you have to keep shopping and buy 3 times that amount if you want to take advantage of the free shipping.

So Amway, thanks for comparing yourself to Amazon. I’ll shop there any day over your company.

 

 

What The Fuck Is Amway Doing Bringing Misery To Another Low Income Nation?

I wanted to add a bit more to the post where we summarized the FTC ruling and the big bucks that Amway and two of it’s most vicious cult sects – WWG aka WWDB aka World Wide Group aka World Wide Dream Builders aka World Wide Destructive Bastards and LTD – must pay up over $225 million in compensation.  Plus a bunch of rules that they have to follow. In other words the FTC is punishing them for being a bunch of lying scamming thugs and is attempting to force them to be honest. LOL. Good luck with that. I doubt that will happen. Those thugs will find a way around it so they can keep lying and scamming victims.

Read: For A Nice Change Amway Gets Fucked. 

I wondered what spin Amway’s marketing department is putting on this and checked their news room. To my surprise they actually have a brief article about the ruling up there. A condensed version. Our version is better LOL!

One of the things they say is they disagree with the FTC characterization of their business. OK the FTC rephrased lying scamming thugs but I call them as I see them. I also think that any business that gets a huge fine slapped on them would disagree with the ruling. Unlikely that any businesses are saying aw gee thanks for not finding in our favor and making us pay up the big bucks.

On their news page Amway’s media machine is blowing it out their asses that Amway has expanded to Uzbekistan. A country that most people would have great difficulty finding on a map.

Never fear. Here I am to help.

We all learned in elementary school that there are 2 countries defined by their shape and are easy to find on a map. India is shaped like a triangle. Italy is shaped like a boot.

What I’m about to stay next is not intended in any bigoted racial profiling way!

Most countries that end in “istan” or “stan” are located close to each other. Most of these countries are desolate, desert-like places where life is hard on the people and they don’t earn a lot of money. Some of these countries have internal and external war conflicts almost always happening. Many people are already leading a life of misery due to their circumstances.

Now let's get back to how everyone kinda remembers where triangle India is located in the world. Look above India. On the upper left side is a country called Pakistan. Keep heading up (north). Aghanistan borders Pakistan and Uzbekistan borders Afhanistan. Along with a bunch of other countries that end in “stan”. And yes in case you’re wondering I did have to look at a map! LOL! Like I said most of us couldn’t pick this one or many of these other countries out on a map.

The average wage in Uzbekistan converts to around US dollars $600/month and in the capital city it’s a bit higher at $1,000/month.

I mean holy crap that’s how much it costs every month on average to be an Amway Ambot in this part of the world.

So what the fuck is Amway doing bringing misery to another low income nation? My guess is someone from there immigrated to America where Amway Ambots prey on new immigrants and this poor sucker went to a ScAmway meeting and got sucked in to join the cult. Then the sucker says hey I’ve got some relatives back in my homeland Uzbekistan that I can sign up. That sucker's relative back in Uzbekistan stupidly believed the lies about getting rich quick and is forced into having the requisite Amway Grand Opening and the next thing you know Amway’s media machine is bragging about infiltrating their evil onto another unsuspecting country.

I guess what we don’t know is if the FTC rules force Amway to be truthful in foreign countries or if the ruling only affects the states. My guess is Amway can still do whatever the fuck they want in other parts of the world while they destroy lives overseas because in this part of the world it's too well documented here all over the Internet about getting scammed by Amway and betting abused by the fucking assholes in the Amway upline. Which is why they have to expand overseas. I’m sure we’re going to see some American Amway Diamonds moving their asses to other parts of the world to “grow their business”.

It’s just sickening how Amway preys on poor people and those who are already in dire financial situations by promising them riches.

Fuck Amway and fuck their army of lying scamming Ambots.

Amway Dishonesty Lines To Use

Seeing as how the first time this post came up and that motherfucker IBOFB was shitting his diapers on the dishonesty issue I thought I’d put in some “lines” taught by the upline on tricking people to come to Amway meetings. Ambot kept very good notes. Unfortunately sometimes he couldn’t find his clipboard and helped himself to my organizer. I hang on to them because I never know when I might need to use them against some asshole in the Amway upline.

“Give someone a line” means lead someone on, deceive with glib or exaggerated talk.

The above sentence pretty much describes every Amway IBO I’ve come in contact with.

At meetings we attended the IBOs were often berated by our sack of shit Platinum because prospects had not been brought to the meeting. Most people can’t find anyone to come to a meeting once they mention Amway. The sack of shit Platinum gave IBO’s suggestions on how to trick people into coming to a meeting without letting on its an Amway meeting. Yeah, that’s a real honest thing to do. What a wonderful upstanding honest company we’re associating ourselves with when we have to resort to dishonest techniques taught by our dishonest upline. Here are some of the “lines” he taught IBO’s to use when contacting or approaching prospects to get them to come to a meeting. And yes upline really does use the word “line” or “lines”. In addition to taking notes, Ambot recorded them too. Got him! This topic could also be titled “how do you know when you’re being prospected by the Amway cult”.

And we get it that some of these lines aren’t dishonest …. if they were being used by someone not in Amway.

1. “I was wondering if you could give me your opinion on a business I'm looking at. I really value your opinion and could use your input.”
2. “We do sell Amway products but that's only about 20% of what we sell. Everything else comes from over 2,000 other companies most of which are Fortune 500 companies.”
3. “How would you like to be your own boss?”
4. “No it's not Amway. Its World Wide Dream Builders.”
5. “Have you ever thought about starting your own business?”
6.  “Don’t you want to be free and not punch a time clock?”
7. “Are you tired of working a J.O.B. and making your boss rich?”
8. “Do you ever look at other ways of making money?”
9. “I'm in the process of expanding my business in the area and I'm looking for a few sharp guys who are interested in being financially free within the next two to five years.”
10. “I work with a team of multi-millionaires developing business online with over a thousand companies. We’re looking for ambitious guys who want to create a secondary source of residual income through a proven mentorship program.”
11. “Do you know anyone who might be interested in making a couple of thousand extra dollars a month working part time only 10 to 15 hours a week?”
12. “Don't you want your wife to come home from work and be there for your children?”
13. “I know a really sharp businessman who has some great ideas. I can’t promise you anything but how would you like to meet him for coffee?”
14. “We work with Benny the Bastard who owns Benny the Bastard Enterprises out of Miami. He owns his own consumer distribution company. Maybe you've heard of him?”

Feel free to load up the comments box with the lines you were taught to use to trick people.

Let’s see if any fucking Amway assholes show up to tell us how honest they are and tells everyone upfront that they’re being invited to an Amway meeting. And the success rate by being honest!

 

 

Amway Is All About Dishonesty And Blame

The first time we posted about Phoney Pins that fucking Amway asshole IBOFB left a comment:

It seems though, Anna, that you're saying that your husband was actively and knowingly breaking Amway rules to get bonuses/recognition he didn't earn?

And it's his upline/Amway's fault for not checking better that he wasn't being dishonest?


What about the phrase “duplicate upline” which Ambot diligently followed? The fucking assholes in Ambot’s upline were dishonest and they taught him how to be dishonest when it came to the Amway business. Amway Scamway.

Isn’t IBOFB’s response really typical of those fucking Amway losers? Amway losers are quick to point fingers and blame IBO’s who can’t make any money with this business. You didn’t try hard enough, you weren’t core, you didn’t listen to enough tapes, etc, etc. bitch bitch bitch. How many of the Amway supporters point fingers and say you failed at Amway because you were honest. 

AMWAY IS A BLAME THE VICTIM SCAM!!!!!

Speaking of being honest, how come Amway doesn’t properly reveal how much IBO’s can expect to earn? Just some bullshit about the average IBO earns $115/month. I can tell you Ambot never came close to that amount. I think he broke $10 a couple of times when he purchased $700 or $800 in Amway products in a month but most of the monthly checks were $8 or $9. 

Amway is issuing checks so they know what is being paid out in commission. Wouldn’t it make more honest if they published the commission IBO’s can expect based on their own data?

I’ll create a table as a simple example Amway could use. Everything in pink below is hypothetical, just off the top of my head but maybe they’re closer to the truth than we know. Why doesn't Amway publish a similar table based on their knowledge of the monthly checks issued to IBO’s? It would be the honest thing to do.

Here is the amount of bonus checks IBO’s are currently receiving each month:

85% of IBO’s earn checks between $1 and $10
5% of IBO’s earn checks between $10 and $25
5% of IBO’s earn checks between $25 and $50
4% of IBO’s earn checks between $50 and $100
1% of IBO’s earn checks over $100

Then in big print something to the effect that IBO’s must purchase approximately $300 in Amway products each month in order to meet at least 100PV to earn a monthly commission check. And then another table that shows how much IBO’s can expect to spend each month in CD’s, tapes, functions, LOS membership, etc. Amway should also be honest and state that the real income to be earned is from the sale of “motivational” tools and that is only available to IBO’s once they have reached a certain PIN level in the company after they have signed up 100 IBO’s in their downline.

With an honest disclosure about the income and expense of an IBO people can make a better informed decision whether or not Amway is a good business opportunity for them.

But Amway doesn’t publish information like this because prospective IBO’s would look at that table and say holy shit that sucks count me out.

Even though that shithead IBOFB is quick to point fingers at who is dishonest those fingers don’t seem to be pointing at Amway.

Though I'm sure that fucking asshole will be fuming “where did you get those numbers?” “What kind of research did you do to get those numbers?”

Dumb ass motherfucker. I already said the numbers are hypothetical. Let Amway fill in a table with the real numbers.

And one more time from marriedtoanambot let’s just send another big old FUCK YOU out to Amway Scamway and their scammer army of Ambots.

 

Have You Heard About The Amway Scam?

Thank you to one of our talented readers for coming up with this gem that describes Amway perfectly!

Have you heard about the Amway scam?
It’ll put you in an awful jam --
You buy a lot of worthless shit
And then you can’t get rid of it.

Have you heard about the Amway rip-off?
It’s a racket that’s designed to strip off
Any assets that you might possess,
And leave your life a goddamned mess.

Have you heard about the Amway liars?
They’ll convince you there’s a lot of buyers
Who want to purchase low-grade soaps
From a bunch of self-important dopes.

Don’t listen to the Amway “Plan” --
Avoid it any way you can.
You’ll never make a single nickel,
And be left in an awful pickle.

 

A Perfect Amway Ambot Match

Thanks to one of our readers for sharing a story about getting hit on in a restaurant by an Amway couple. And just because someone is smart enough to go to medical school doesn’t mean they aren’t susceptible to being recruited by a cult. Or that they are necessarily law abiding citizens. Whether they were before or after Amway we don’t know. Amway cult leaders teach their followers that it is OK to lie, scam and steal. It also appears being in Amway has led them to owning the classic ScAmway shitmobile that they’re too broke to maintain.

 

Anna, I thought you’d enjoy this update about the Scamway couple I encountered a while ago in a restaurant. My wife randomly got in a conversation with them because she’s an extrovert. They started talking about what churches we attended. That turned into the guy inviting me to coffee. I got together with him at a Starbucks thinking maybe I met a new friend. Nope! Instead he pulled out his iPad and launched into the cringiest Amway sales pitch. I pretended to be mildly interested - just trying to be polite - but I promptly blocked his number afterward.

Anyway, the Ambot’s wife is, of all things, a physician! I randomly noticed their blocked number in my phone and curiosity got the better of me. Her training and residency was in family medicine. She also earned a DO degree and not an MD. DO schools are easier to get into. I know some very good DO physicians but this is just a fact. I googled her name and found that although she brags on her website about previously working in rural ER’s (it’s easier for non-emergency medicine trained physicians like herself to get hired in rural ER’s where there’s a massive doctor shortage), she’s not doing that anymore.

Instead, she now owns a “medical spa” business. Her marketing tells people that the big bad meanie mainstream doctors don’t really care about you. They’re just pushing you through an evil system of profit and greed. Instead of going to a normal doctor, you need to come to her! She will rescue you with her expensive dietary supplements and IV vitamin infusions that have no proven benefit.

My next stop was our state court system’s website. I searched her name and found she is currently being sued by both her bank and her private student loan provider for breech of contract. She also had EIGHTEEN traffic violations in recent years including expired plates, failure to register, failure to maintain working brakes, and failure to maintain a working horn.

So to summarize: she took on massive student loan debt to become a doctor, then instead of working a normal physician job that would provide an income that could pay her debt, she decided to open a scam “medical spa” to manipulate people into buying shit that won’t improve their health - all while she is defaulting on her student loans. Maybe leaving a normal physician job wasn’t her choice? Maybe she was such a crappy doctor that she got fired. Anyway, to top it off, it sounds like she is literal hell on wheels when she tries to drive whatever non-registered, uninsured shit box she takes out on the freeways. Maybe, after all, she and her husband are a perfect match! 😂