Move To Another State To Escape Amway Assholes

Normal thinking people who have never been in a cult might think its quite drastic to move to another state to get away from Amway or more accurately the assholes in your Amway upline. I’ve been there. I thought about it myself. I was looking up houses for sale in New Mexico and Arizona just to get the hell away from those fucking Amway assholes in our upline. It didn’t come down to that for us. This just goes to show how horrible it is dealing with Amway people and the abuse you get from the fucking assholes in your Amway upline and all you can think about is putting some distance between you and those horrible evil Amway ambots. And you think about it not because you don’t like the house you live or where you’re living and because you want to move away from your friends and family. You think about it because you want to get away from the abuse doled out by those evil fucking bastards in your Amway upline and you don’t want to see those assholes ever again. For people like us who own their business and the land it sits on its not so easy to just up and move and start over again somewhere else. You have to sell the business first or maybe sell the business and the building separately and these things don’t happen overnight so some people can’t just up and move at a minutes notice even if it is to get away from the biggest fucking assholes you’ve ever met in your life. That’s what Amway does to people. When the reason why you’re looking to move is because of Amway that might look like a really shitty reason to move to another state but that’s what people think about to get away from those bastards. Here’s a story of a woman who had to do it. Forced to move out of state just to get away from the Amway evil. Thank you for sharing your story!

I hated your nasty language, but I agree with you that Amway/Quixtar, whatever they are calling it today, is a nasty "business." My husband and I were in it twice and all in all for several years. Both times, it was the same thing. It doesn't matter "who" your upline is...the business stinks. The first time we were in, we were so "controlled" and "watched" by upline as well as downline, we couldn't even go to a movie for "fear" someone in the "group" would see us and "tell" on us to everyone that we weren't "showing the plan." We were Direct Distributors, not making a penny "net" in the business! It cost us a fortune! We were intimidated into spending money on functions, tapes, tools, etc. We were threatened and told that our downline would "go around us" and deal directly with our upline if we didn't do what they told us to do. It was mind control pure and simple. We had to be on standing order for hundreds of tapes and were told to sell them! If we couldn't "move" them downline, we had to just "eat them!" They would not buy them back and we were forced to buy whatever amount upline told us to buy. They were making profit on every tape we bought, no matter if we could afford it or if we wanted to buy them or not. Our upline Direct even told us when I balked at having to pay for all those unloadable tapes, "Satan is just using you against me and I need to pray against you!" More intimidation! To not do everything we were told meant we no longer "were in the business." We finally moved out of state just to get out from under this control! I have never felt so free in my life as the day we moved away from there and from them!!!!!! Pure joy! Many years later, my husband wanted to "try again" with a different upline, thinking it was just "the people" we were associated with. Nope...same, same, same story!!!

I'm thankful today that we ended all association with Amway. Looking back and seeing today what we didn't know back then, it was wise, wise, wise to leave! Our upline Diamond was apparently having a 14-year affair with his Amway secretary and had 2 illegitimate children with her. He and his wife divorced. Our upline Crown had an affair apparently, as well. When I see all the divorces among the Amway people we personally knew, it's almost mind boggling! That's what "the love of money" will do for you!!

My first husband died 6 years ago; four years later I remarried. I found out the man I married carried a $35,000 credit card bad debt due to his involvement in HerbaLife. Incredible!!! A couple of people made a killing off of the millions of gullibles like us!

Whenever you get that first sniff of MLM...RUN, DO NOT WALK, FOR YOUR LIFE!!! It will chew you up, spit you out, and you will be left in debt, feeling foolish, and without family and friends...which you will have to rebuild. Use wisdom. Don't even think twice. RUN!!!! As fast as you can in the opposite direction!!!!!

 

Ambot Dick Drives To Amway WWDB Family Reunion

Yup. Here’s the classic we share every year around this time. Thanks Dick for sharing your story!


I remember one year we were driving down to a major function.

It was myself, my wife, another couple in our downline, and a single guy in our downline (all friends of ours before the amway scam and still friends till this very day). We had recently replaced my wife’s car with a brand new van. One of those Ford Wind-star or Something-Star. Can’t remember the exact model name, but it was super luxo, comfy, cushiony, roomy... Just perfect for a road trip. So I suggested we all go down together. We were friends as I mentioned so it wouldn’t be like driving for hours with a bunch of people that made us uncomfortable. Basically, we could all be ourselves and enjoy the ride, stop and eat, take in some sights etc. The wives insisted we have some fun cause they never were into the whole amway scam-- they were just being good wives and playing along.

So. It’s a HOT summer day--Hotter than most. We live in Canada and are driving to the US. So like any NORMAL human being would do on a day like that-- we were all wearing shorts, tank-tops, sandals... You know-- beach attire. The a/c was blasting, the van was cold, and we were all super comfy.

We pull up to the Canada/US border and what do we see??? Ambots everywhere!!!! Hahahahaha.

Now one of the reasons I love to read your blog so much is because I can just visualize some of the stuff you describe and I’m really into the details. I remember reading your post about the clunker brigade lol. I don’t think the border guards had ever seen a bigger collection of oil leaking, black smoke spewing, clikering clackering, rusted 17 year old Corollas and Civics at one time... EVER.

So we look over to one particular sub-sub-compact shitbox that looks like this -------- and we see 5, count em-- FIVE ambots, all suited up with their fine Italian suits from Walmart (lololol). Wearing their full gear, ties bound all the way to the top, strangling them. Now keep in mind it’s 32 degrees Celsius (89 degrees Fahrenheit) and probably closer to 120f with the humidity factored in. And judging from the amount of sweat, (I’d say perspiration but believe me-- this was SWEAT), on their faces and on their suits, the a/c in their fine automobile was NOT working.

Because of all these serious business people all crossing the border at the same approx time-- we were at a near stand still. We didn’t mind much cause it would give us a chance to stretch our legs as we slowly crept up to the border guard booth.

So.... Out of our icy cold van comes the unmarried guy in my downline (we’ll call him Bill). Bill, like most of my downline and myself-- was into the biz as a biz (till we figured out it was impossible to make money) but couldn’t really deal with the stuffiness of the ambots. And this particular guy was a little ruff around the edges but a good person none the less. So picture this....

Bill just woke up, he gets out, scratches his head, yawns in a real annoying way-- kinda loudly and rudely, looks over at that car which was parallel to us, realizes they’re a bunch of ambots, looks at them... looks again, looks closer, and yells -- “what-da fuck is wrong wit ya ga-eeezzz?!?!?!?!.... It’s fucking boilin!!!!” Imagine the sheer horror in the ambots’ eyes. They looked over completely shocked, saw Bill in his shorts scratching himself, and quickly looked forward, in fear.

My married guy friend and I, under the full protection of the new van’s dark, factory-tinted windows, were both laughing so hard that I had to hold my private parts for fear of peeing on myself. I didn’t recognize any of the ambots in that particular car but still-- I was sure that eventually, we’d show up at some local event driving that particular van and we’d run into them, and someone would recognize that it had been us that day... but I just didn’t care-- I couldn’t stop laughing.

It was 150 degrees for sure with the five of them in that car, and you know how polyester goes with humidity... Hahahaha. They were baking in there for sure, but they probably attributed it to the fact that they were so-- fired up, fired up!!!! Yuk!!

I asked the girls how the hell someone could dress that way on a day like that and cram into a car and drive for hours.

My wife’s opinion....
These stupid bastards are driving down there in those clothes cause they haven’t brought any other clothes with them. They have no intention of paying for a hotel. Whenever there is down time (1:00am to 8:00am) they’re gonna hang around a 24 hour Starbucks just waiting for the the function to begin. Hey-- why pay for lodging when you could stand around all night as to not wrinkle your suit!!
She was probably right.

 

Amway Ambots Will Be Gazillionaires In 2 To 5 Years

A reader shares their story. And haven’t we all heard this story. Why does everyone have a bunch of assholes in their Amway upline who are always so busy but they’ll squeeze out some time to fit you in and expect you to kiss their ass. Could have been sitting there in Coffee Bean…..


Lol, so yesterday my friend called me to schedule a meeting today. I asked her the things like how much she is paying for tools ($100 per month), how much is her total expense far, and how come this business does not have a normal plan, projection, etc like a normal business. I think I should give up on my friend coz she answered me like a robot. She mentioned all of her expenses she does not consider them as expenses, but rather as investments. Mind you my friend background is accounting, so it rather confused me. As far as accounting goes, if you don't put it as expense, you can only put the costs as assets, but you can't put those kind of stuffs as assets coz they're literally worthless.

So, today I met her Emerald upline at Coffee Bean (something like Starbucks). I didn't know I was going to meet this Emerald, as previously my friend said I was going to meet his wife or what. Then 15 minutes before scheduled appointment she messaged about this Emerald shit giving me time despite his busy schedule, and I immediately mentioned I will be late when I could've made it in time. I was trying to look whether this stupid Emerald is really as busy as he says (I think not). I arrived 20 minutes late and the sack of shit hadn't arrived yet lol. Mind you our "short" time of discussion lasted for like 2 and a half hours coz the Emerald is damn busy.

The person started giving usual bullshit of 2-5 year, 10hrs/week and I can get $10,000/month as passive income. Then he explains his statistics of 1,000 sample size is big enough to represent the whole population. I told him straight away that I've never heard those theory before and my background is Mathematics. He gave me some stupid excuses, then continue with usual Amway does everything for him, so he can concentrate on sales. Yeah, true Amway does everything for him and charge him a huge margin on their products. In the meantime he kept telling me accounting is shit and waste of time, knowing full well that I do account in my current company. If accounting is shit probably Amway should ditch it as well and pay those diamond and emerald anyhow they want hahaha ...

He also said when he went to Emerald function in Los Angeles last year, there were few thousands of people (he mentioned only 3,000 at first, but later didn't want to be specific). I later asked him how many people are in Scamwork 21, which he answered few hundred thousands. Lol, so the foolproof system only has success rate of around 1%? And they still want to tell me it's 100% success rate?

We then proceeded to compensation plan, which he explained to me in details coz I pushed really hard on that. My conclusion is, if he only has 3-4 legs at Platinum, his "passive" income should not be at $10,000, but more like $3,000 to $4,000 gross even with the bonus. What a fucking liar shit Emerald. He mentioned he has lots of downline at 3% so he can earn another 18% on them. No shit, the downline at 3% probably only spend $400 max per month, so he got like $72 from each of them. And I really doubt he has lots of 3% downline. 3% downline probably already quit after long time not making money, but losing money for buying shitty products.

We then moved on to what they call CEP, which basically means subscription of stupid ass cd and books, and functions. They dare to tell me first that they sell those tools at costs, then when I pointed out to them, cd don't cost $6 to make. You can buy blank cd at $0.10 or maybe less. With the production costs and freight, I doubt that cd costs more than $2 per piece. Not to mention the book they lent to me costs like 5 times of Amazon's price. They then changed their tune that it is a for profit organization, need to pay office rent, employees, etc. They also said it's not about the costs, but about the quality. Wow, what is the difference in quality between the very same book from them (at $10) and from Amazon (<$2)? They then mentioned about my college degree and investment on it. Excuse me? College degree is something with value, something that is required by a lot of company to get a decent job. It's not a useless shit of cd and functions with no contents.

I tried to close the discussion by saying I can't agree with the system that benefits from its member by a lot (basically saying it's a scam). And wow, they are very persistent on me trying some more cd and books or some of Amway products. I told them I don't want to waste time on overpriced products and that I hated those cds, can't stand listening to other cd anymore, the cds are useless and give nothing beneficial. Then they tried to force me to listen to other cds coz they have few millions of cds (OMG! are you kidding me?!?!?!?!?!). I almost rolled my eyes coz $4x(few hundred thousand of members)x (few million cds) = gee no wonder Jim and Nancy Dornan and those asshole Diamonds are rich. So, I flat out told them no, no , no and NO! Yet they still tried to sold me so I just told them I won't change my mind no matter what and that their system is shit (and implying it's a scam) haha ... I think I should be free now from them. Hurray!

 

 

No One Is Buying My Shitty Amway Products Bitches The Ambot

“No one is buying my Amway products.”

That is the lament of a searcher who showed up at this blog. Not me bitching! I have no Scamway products for sale!

There is a reason why no one is buying your Amway products. That is because the food and drink items taste like shit and piss. The cleaning products are average to lousy. The cosmetics are ugly. I could go on and on.

But the main reason no one is buying your shitty Amway products is the price tag. Amway charges exorbitant prices for generic and substandard products. Amway is hardly the only company around to stick overinflated price tags on products that are worth a fraction of the cost. Some people might say Safeway is too high priced or Target is too high priced or Burger King is too high priced. Though as far as I know none of these establishments has regularly been accused of being a cult. Can Amway say that?

Price can be subjective.

Quality not so much.

Brainwashing people to believe that they pay high prices and receive high quality products is the sign of a good Amway cult leader. Especially when those “high quality” products are shit. Generic products at best. Substandard is more like it.

To others money doesn’t matter so much and many people are open to paying more money for better quality products. Unfortunately Amway does not have better quality products except in the minds of their current crop of brainwashed IBOs. When those IBO’s quit Amway why don’t they keep buying Amway products if they think they’re so wonderful and reasonably priced? Because reality sinks in when a person is no longer being brainwashed and they got it figured out that Amway’s products are really no better than brand name products and often much worse.

Think of it this way. According to an Amway employee who stopped by the blog one day and let us know that employees are given free boxes of SA8 laundry detergent or whatever name they use now. S/he is like no thanks and goes to the store to buy Tide. Why spend money on a product you can get for free? Could it be that this Amway employee wants their clothes to come out clean in the wash?

Put aside the low quality and the high prices on Amway products.

Most people don’t want to buy Amway products because of Amway’s shitty reputation. And how did Amway get a shitty reputation? That would be thanks to the antics of their commissioned salespeople aka Amway independent business owners aka IBO’s aka ambots.

The trickery, the bad behavior, and the lies are what makes Amway IBO’s.

High price tags, shitty quality, and the bad reputation of others before you is why people don’t want to buy your Amway products

In The Amway Cult Only Money Matters

A reader shares their story and some wise advice.

I was involved in Amway from May 2012 to March 2013. A friend invited me along to a monthly seminar and while I was overwhelmed with the terrible pop music, in-time clapping, positivity overload and promises of achieving my “dreams” and “goals”. Naively, I assumed my friend invited me for my benefit so I signed up that night.

I played ball for a few months (because I still had a shred of optimism), attended most of the functions (including three weekend conventions), bought stuff from the website, listened to the CDs and even hosted a house/launch party. I got put into a good team of normal people who all seemed supportive.

While some of friends knew it was a scam, I ignored them. Heading towards Christmas, reality finally hit. I lost my job momentarily in November and was limping by on my now meagre savings (thanks to all the money I’d spent on Amway). I was forced to look at the most important things to survive - pay rent and buy food – rather than wasting my time with Amway. Because of this reality check, I started to see through the feelgood bullshit of Amway. While they sell you on reaching your “dreams” and “goals”, the harsh reality is most of the money goes to the big guns: the Diamonds, the Oblongs, the Rectangles etc. Most of those who make it already have oodles of money and saving and don’t need Amway, they’re just being greedy.

Those who are students, low-income earners or who don’t have a secure income, Amway can be potentially damaging, spending money you don’t have on something you don’t need. In my time in Amway, I estimated I spent over $2,000 on various stuff and made less than $100. While I found the online shopping part convenient, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper to go down to your local supermarket and buy what you need. While I got my job back in late November, I immediately lost interest after the October conference (as I had to rebuild financially), I took until March to fully quit, mainly because my friend – who was now my “upline” – was away overseas and if I was going to quit, I wanted to do it face-to-face. In the ensuing months, I completely stopped activity: no more CDs, no more shopping, no more functions (I was always able to find a convenient excuse). When the March convention came around, I was upfront with my friend and he was fine with it. I left the convention on the Saturday afternoon and didn’t look back. It was a relief.

Looking back, Amway has had a negative effect on me emotionally. All the feelgood crap, false hope and focus on materialism made me cynical and bitter. Anytime people mention their “dreams” and “goals”, I roll my eyes dramatically. I’m nowhere near as optimistic about life as I was before I joined Amway. The worst part was, had I not been involved with Amway, my brief time out of work would have been more comfortable financially. Like most ‘get rich quick’ schemes, it relies on trickery and lots of materialistic, shallow rubbish. It’s basically saying “money is the only thing that matters.” I call shenanigans. Yes, money is great for peace of mind, but it doesn’t make you happy. If you want financial security, work hard, invest wisely and spend sensibly.

 

 

Fucking Assholes In Amway Upline Force You To Drive All Over The Fucking County

When we were in Amway and WWDB orders for overpriced shitty Amway products were placed on the Internet and delivered to our house. Our sack of shit Platinum would rant at us during Amway meetings that we had it lucky. When he started in Amway he had to drive a couple of towns away to pick up the Amway order from his upline and then he spent hours delivering it all over the place. He said when his car broke down he had to take the bus - and undoubtedly a few helpers - to carry all the boxes. So the sack of shit would go on and on and on about the shit he went through in Amway to get him where he was. Uh, lets see. Was he under the false impression that I actually cared?

Every week we had to order tools - CDs and books - the more the better of course from the point of view of the fucking assholes in the Amway upline. I have no idea how the Platinum sack of shit received them. All I know is the upline Eagle picked them up from Platinum’s house rather late at night when he got off work and then we met him at Dunkin Donuts around 10pm or 10:30 to pick up our order. The donut shop was about halfway between our house and the Platinum’s house. It was a central location for the Eagle’s downline to show up and pick up their tools because most of them lived within a 15 minute drive and the Eagle lived further out.

This went on for maybe a month. Then the Platinum heard about it. The fucking asshole went nutso! He screamed and shrieked and carried on as if someone had just committed murder! Holy shit it was amazing!

The Platinum ordered the Eagle to stop meeting downline at Dunkin Donuts. Who knows why? Maybe the fucker had shares in Krispy Kreme? He ordered all tools to be picked up at the Eagle’s house about an hour’s drive each way.

I was really pissed off. But then anytime that meddling sack of shit sticks his ass into anyone’s business it pisses me off. I pointed out to Ambot that this was really dumb. The Platinum sack of shit lives about a thirty minute drive from our house. The fucking Eagle is closer to an hour away depends on traffic which you would think would be lighter that time of night - NOT. It would be quicker for us to go to the Platinum’s house and pick up those shitty tools that I didn’t want in the first place. Because I knew Ambot was going to plug one of those damned CD’s into the car’s stereo and crank up the volume so it would be like listening to one of those fire and brimstone sermons from a tent church the whole drive home. Add to the fact that the Eagle didn’t get home - and here its important to point out that he still lived with mommy and daddy even though he’s in his mid 20’s - until at least 10:30 at night. So we’re driving all over the countryside for a couple of hours late at night when I’d rather be getting ready for bed. We’ve got customers to deal with in the morning. Real customers in our real business. Not pity customers helping us out buying Amway shit. What the fuck is Ambot thinking? I told him to cancel any further orders for tools. If we all stuck together and cancelled tool orders and refused to drive to the Eagle’s house to pick them up maybe we’d “get permission” to pick them up at a central location again. Like I had any chance of the other downline doing anything to disobey the Platinum.

Ambot had to be CORE and feed into the tool scam so his upline could get rich. He had to bust ass driving out of town late at night to pick up $10 worth of CD’s every week. It cost about that much in gas for a round trip drive. Not to mention our time. Why the hell didn’t he just wait another day to pick up the damned tools at the next night’s Amway meeting? After a few weeks Ambot had enough of the late night drives and he did pick up his CD’s and books from the Eagle the next time he saw him. They had to be sneaky about it though. You know - hiding them under their shirts!

And the point of this whole exercise? To teach us discipline. What? We’re in the armed forces maybe and that’s why we need discipline? We became responsible adults understanding discipline. Why the fuck do we need to keep learning about discipline because we’re in Amway?

Oh I forgot. The discipline thing is because we're in a cult. Its all about brainwashing the IBO’s and ordering them around to make sure they’re good little cult followers. Loyalty and obedience to the cult leader is the most important thing.

Like I really needed another reason to dislike the Platinum. Once again I send a big old fuck you out to that sack of shit.

 

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!

 

And one more time from marriedtoanambot let’s just send another big old FUCK YOU out to Amway Scamway and their scammer army of Ambots.

 

FUCK YOU ASSHOLES!

 

Another Lost Relationship Thanks To Amway

A reader shares their Amway horror story.

My best friend of 10 yrs is an ambot. She is secretly dating a guy in Amway, & tells us she doesn’t want their relationship to be official & out on Facebook as they don’t want to mix business & their relationship. After a month she told us she didn’t think Amway was for her, & we felt relieved. The next time we saw her, she told us she was back in Amway & her “passions were set on fire.” As her friend, I wanted to support her happiness & knew if I expressed any concern, she’d view it as me being a “negative” person.

My best friend is my maid of honor in my wedding (I’m engaged) & w/i a few months, I watched my best friend give up: her videography business, Bible study with us for Amway’s “church services”, working with a financial advisor for retirement as “Amway has a better financial plan,” a European trip she’d been planning for MONTHS because she “didn’t have time to travel,” & abandon our friendship for amway

My best friend texted me asking what I was doing the next day from 7:40-9:00pm. I told her I was free & she manipulatively invited me to an Amway event & expressed that I could benefit from hearing it & it would mean a lot to her. I responded saying I love & support her but no thank you, amway isn’t for me. She was upset & ignored me & when I asked if she’d gotten my previous text to talk, she she didn’t need to explain herself & that she was going to be busy in the next weeks so we couldn’t see each other.

At this point, I knew I had to express concern because a good friend would do that. Even if it meant it backfiring. We finally met up & after some small talk I said, “I think this deserved a conversation & so I wanted to share with you why I declined your invite to your Amway meeting.” I told her how my grandfather was in Amway & it was a big reason he & his wife got divorced. They were raising 5 kids & he was losing $ in amway. I also told her I did a lot of research on Amway & concluded based on those 2 things that it wasn’t for me, but that doesn’t mean I don’t support her & her happiness. She got offended. She compared me to one of her other friends saying this other friend would go to a meeting if she asked. She said she wanted me to go so I could understand where her priorities were focused & so I could ‘understand why we wouldn’t see each other that much’

She told me that I “just have to go to the meetings to understand why I’m not a priority” & I told her if someone asked about my business, my faith, etc that I could explain it to them in words for them to understand. She said “when I achieve my dream, I’m going to take my friends & family on exotic vacations all around the world!” I said, “so all the friends & family you made not important in your life are just going to all of a sudden go on vacation with you?”

I told her I missed her & feel that I’m losing my best friend (i’m sobbing at this point telling her this). I asked her what she gets from Amway that she wasn’t getting in our friendship. She brought up hanging around successful people & I asked her what success means to her & she said following her passions. I asked her if she thought I didn’t follow mine (because I do). I asked her if she thought I was unsuccessful.

I asked her if she had any idea how hurtful it’s been to be penciled in & put on the side. She got defensive & said “I’m done with this!” & left. I said “you will always be my best friend & I will always be here for you.” We haven’t spoken since.

Amway isolates people who aren’t in Amway. Amway encourages its IBO’s to break it off with anyone who is ‘negative’ (i.e. anyone who isn’t in Amway), Amway says those “negative people are close-minded” when in fact Amway is close-minded to anyone who doesn’t believe in “their way to success.” If you’re not making money for your upline, Amway doesn’t give a shit about you. Amway positively reinforces those who are selling & who are remaining active by buying or selling products--if you’re slacking (i.e. missing meetings/conferences or not meeting sales, they will bully & manipulate you to feel less than).

To my best friend who is in Amway: I know my best friend is still in there and I’m angry that Amway has brainwashed you. I am very hurt by this but will accept you in loving arms if Amway doesn’t work out the way it was sold to you.