A reader left a comment on a post and I thought it was an
eye opener enough to deserve its own post because a lot of people might miss
the post where he left the comment. Just more proof that no matter how high you
climb the Amway pyramid the promised money is not there.
my wife ( now ex ) and I were double eagle rubies ., we won the diamond
incentive award back in 1999( i think or 2000) anyway, everyone thought we were
making money,, and we were....but mostly on tools,, and then on the bonus
cheques...but most of all it was the yr end bonus chq that made a difference.
however I was spending a ton of money travelling back east to work a let back
there....loosing sleep. ,sleeping at airports..because I wanted to "do
whatever it took" I have no regrets on doing what i did. however i do
regret the type of person i became , just seeking attention and loving that other
people would come around me at functions with their tape recorders wanting to
know what i knew ( as if i was some guru) .. its not a humble ,walk soft type
of business. at least not for my personality. The business is a good sound
business. Its the people and the attitudes and the late nites and the people
worshiping that was so so not right. and they say that anyone can build it. And
i now do not agree...a shy, not aggressive person who has very limited funds
and no desire to sell anything certainly can not build it...
I remember my upline bounced a bonus cheque on me when i was a 4000pv. and i
still paid everone in my downline and no one reimbursed me for the bounced
cheque...hmmm
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WAKE UP CALL FOR ME RIGHT THERE....WTF !!
OK here’s my showing that I wasn’t paying attention at Amway cult meetings -
like that’s a big surprise for any of the regular readers to hear!
I have no idea what is a double eagle ruby! I know there was an Eagle in my
upline cocksucking son of a bitch that he was. Apparently he had 6 people in
his downline. He sponsored our sponsor and for that reason alone I can’t stand
the fucking little troublemaker. Our sack of shit Platinum was always bragging
that the little cocksucker was going double eagle next month or within the next
couple of months and then he’d be Platinum in 3 months. NOT!!!!! So I assume
double eagle is 12 people in your downline. But I don’t know what the ruby part
of anything is.
I also have no idea what a Diamond incentive is, though clearly former double
eagle ruby got a lot further in “the business” than most ambots do.
Like other unfortunate victims of the Amway cult, it was the end of his
marriage.
Let that be a lesson to all you couples out there considering getting involved
in this pyramid scheme. The Amway scam business is more suited for single men
with male chauvinist pig qualities. There is no place for women in the Amway
good old boy’s club other than to “support” her husband.
This fellow lets us know several things of what its really like in the Amway
business. First of all he’s reached a level where everyone thought he should be
making money in Amway. I remember all those Scamway meetings I attended and the
cult leader would be telling us that Platinums make $75,000/year, Emeralds make
$125K and so on and higher and higher it goes. I’m not sure what the base mark
income that the upline claims a double eagle ruby should be making but
apparently it was another fable. However this is a level where he made money on
tools and that was the bulk of the income plus a year end bonus check.
He spent a lot of money on travel expenses growing his business I suppose
because the upline told him to do whatever it takes. Never question upline!
The biggest toll was Amway turned him into a person he did not like. He was
becoming the person that I saw at functions. Money grubbing attention seekers
who want to be worshipped by their cult followers.
This guy has some regrets which I have seen other former ambots exhibit too
which is all part of the brainwashing process. Still brainwashed in some way
after leaving Amway. They still think Amway is a good business. They
accept that this is not the right business for them but don’t seem to
accept that they’ve been scammed.
I like his honesty where he says you need a certain type personality to be in
Amway and its not for everyone. People who are shy, not agressive, and don’t
have unlimited funds should stay away from Amway.
Well everyone should stay away from Amway! Coming from someone who built this
business once and apparently retired without seeing any of this fabled residual
income rolling in forever, but still seems to think an Amway business is good
for some people, he says its not for everyone.
Current ambots would just mock this fellow and say he didn’t try hard enough
and taunt him that his wife left him because he wasn’t man enough for the Amway
business.
Been there, heard it all. I know how those brainwashed Amway bastards think.
So much for the Amway meetings I attended where the cult leaders would tell the
audience this business is so simple anyone can do it.
Upline bounced a check to him. No big surprise there. Our upline never had any
money. Everyone upline up to the Platinum looked at my husband to provide
refreshments for Amway meetings, buy snacks if they met at a coffee house,
provide chairs, provide Amway motivational materials, etc, etc for everyone.
When we tried to get our sponsor Captain Fuck Up to buy back the tools he
refused saying he had no money. Big surprise there. Our upline had no problem
violating Amway's policies particularly the one about how purchasing tools are
optional and the upline is still obligated to help you build your Amway
business and the upline is supposed to buy tools back if the IBO asks them
to.
IF YOU DON"T BUY TOOLS THEN I WON'T WORK WITH YOU!!!! Heard that one at every
ScAmway meeting!
Here’s the thing. If someone writes you a bad check take it to the police and
press fraud charges against the person and then file a claim against them in
small claims court. I would not have hesitated to do that if anyone in our
upline wrote us a bad check but then I didn’t like any of the fucking assholes
in our Amway upline. I assume this guy did like his upline and didn’t want to
cause any problems for them.
His upline writing bad checks is all the proof we need that Amway IBO’s are
liars, scammers, committing fraud, and breaking the law. Not to mention all
round disreputable immoral people. Everyone in Amway are identical ambots.
Avoid Amway scumbuckets at all costs! Or it will cost you lots of money and
emotional distress!
The man's comments are honest. He was successful to some extent in Amway, but he recognizes that a great deal of the entire operation is fraudulent and misleading. He also sees that certain personality types do better in Amway than others -- you CAN'T be some shy, retiring type who is afraid to be a pushy salesman.
ReplyDeleteHe also shows a good deal of self-perception, in that he freely admits that he did not like the kind of person that Amway forced him to become. That kind of reaction is probably the only thing that can save someone who manages to claw his way up the Amway pyramid, living off the sweat and money-losses of his down-line. You have to believe that your self-respect as a human being is more important than the loud, vulgar, selfish persona that Amway compels you to wear all the time.
He does not say that his wife and he split up because of Amway. But it is a good bet that the entire Amway madness contributed to it.
Good observations Anonymous. People who have a conscience and morals will never be in that tiny percentage of a fraction of 1% of Ambots who make money in ScAmway once it’s clear the only way they make money is by scamming other victims.
DeleteEven if he split from his wife a few years after leaving the Amway cult - as you said Amway contributed to it. By causing problems where none had previously existed and by causing financial distress that could take years to recover from.
Thank you for sharing his story. My husband is in deep in Amway and I got out recently. Your blog helped me see the truth. I don’t know how to live with him anymore when all he does is blaming me for leaving the business. This business is so toxic and breaks people’s lives.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Sorry to hear your husband is in the Amway cult. I know exactly what you’re going through being blamed for his lack of success inside a system designed for failure. Blaming the negative unchristian dreamstealing wire is a common cult tactic.
DeleteI’m glad you found us and the blog is helping you know you’re not alone. Amway destroys all Ambots financially and emotionally. You didn’t say how long your husband has been in ScAmway. 95% of participants quit within 2 years. The majority quit inside a few months when they realize they got scammed and the only way to make money in Amway is by scamming others. You can either wait him out. Or cut your losses and run.