A reader shares his story
about how Ambots follow the Amway script. Thank you!
About a month ago I was informed by one of my Facebook friends (a guy that went
to my high school, goes to college with me, we’ve never been super close, but
he’s a trustworthy guy) that he had been introduced to:
“...a business opportunity I recently came across. I am working with some
successful entrepreneurs to expand business. I can’t say anything for sure but
I wanted to for sure put it out there and see if your open to looking at
different income ventures.”
That was the message I was sent. I was very skeptical, especially as he was
working with people that I had never met, although again, I do trust him and
have known him for a while, which eased my fears a bit. Yesterday, I was
convinced to be a part of a three-way phone call with him and his “senior
business adviser” (to be read as: upline!) and the details were exceedingly
vague. “I’m working on building a group of partnerships... It’s very hard to
explain over the phone... it’s very possible to make thousands a month.” The
thing that worried me the most was the fact that I was told “don’t talk about
this to your family or friends yet, you aren’t informed enough and will lose
credibility that you could use to build your business in the future.”
Everything about the call threw up red flags, so I decided to do my research. I
managed to find the Facebook profile of the upline guy, and soon realized that
this was all Amway. I hadn’t really heard of Amway in the past (and was even
more skeptical about the fact that it was obvious what business it was, but he
made no mention of it in the call), so I spent most of last night doing some
research. This is scary! You would think that people would learn to look into
the background of what they’re getting into before they commit and try to rope
others in. Another person I know has been caught up in this, and still appears
to be in the delusional stage of thinking success is still possible. No one
seems to realize that the market is exceedingly over-saturated and will keep
growing.
Anyway, at the end of the call, they convinced me to attend a meeting on campus
tonight, which I will still go to, just to listen to see how much BS is being
spewed, and how similar it really is to what I’ve read. However, I will not
being buying into this scam, when no room for new success exists. I would like
to not burn any bridges with the people I know over this, but they seem to be
very gung-ho about selling this idea. I’m going to ask a few questions
regarding MLMs, the taxes from this, how many people I’ll need downline to make
a profit, etc. and can’t wait to hear the answers. I expect the peer pressure
to be very large, but I’m going to fight it completely. It’s just sad how these
people use their language and speaking skills (the guy on the phone yesterday
kept trying to relate to me personally, it was a great tactic) to completely
brainwash others into believing everything they say.
Stay tuned. What happened at the Scamway meeting?
P.S. We all know it followed the old Amway scripture!
Thursday, January 27, 2022
Part 1 Getting Prospected By An Amway Ambot
4 comments:
Comments are moderated but we publish just about everything. Even brainwashed ambots who show up here to accuse us of not trying hard enough and that we are lazy, quitters, negative, unchristian dreamstealers. Like we haven’t heard that Amspeak abuse from the assholes in our upline!
If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:
1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.
2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.
3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.
4. Gossip that serves no purpose. There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why they’re getting divorced. If you absolutely must share that here – don’t name names. I get too many nosy ambots searching for this. Lets not help them find this shit.
5. Posting something creepy anonymously and we can’t track your location because you’re on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. I attracted an obsessed fan and one of my blog administrators attracted a cyberstalker. Lets keep it safe for everyone. Anonymous is OK. Creepy anonymous and hiding – go fuck yourselves!
6. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.
7. Posting bullshit Amway propaganda. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. Otherwise take your agenda somewhere else. Not interested.
8. Notice how this blog is written in English? That's our language so keep your comments in English too. If you leave a comment written in another language then we either have to use Google translate to put it into English so everyone can understand what you wrote or we can hit the Delete button. Guess which one is easier for us to do?
9. We suspect you're a troublemaking Amway asshole.
10. Your comment got caught in the spam filter. Gets checked occasionally. We’ll get to you eventually and approve it as long as it really isn’t spam.
The guy who posted this sounds intelligent and perceptive, and I wish him all the best. But frankly I am worried about what will happen when he shows up for this Amway meeting.
ReplyDeleteWith cults and cultists, intelligence is only a partial defense. You need to realize that these people are experts in all kinds of manipulation and string-pulling, and they can charm a clock off the wall.
He may not be prepared for the intense pressure that a serious business cult and its cultists can exert on you. I have seen persons of high intelligence and strong character collapse in the face of the love-bombing, the psychological manipulation, the emotional urging, the brainless rhetoric and trick questions, and the subtle but painful shaming techniques that break down your willpower.
If you go to an Amway meeting, you need to keep in mind that the bastards you meet there are vicious and selfish cultists who have only one purpose -- to get you to join, and to exploit you financially.
That is why it is an outrageous lie when Amway freaks tell you that the main purpose of the business is to "help others." The exact opposite is true. Amway's attitude towards you is purely predatory and exploitative.
Anonymous - the Amway script barely changes over the years. The bullshit this reader heard is the same bullshit I heard and pretty much the same bullshit Amway cult leaders have been using for 50 years.
DeleteWorking with some successful entrepreneurs and wanting to expand business - LOL! Just goes to show what brainwashing does to people. Think they're business owners and entrepreneurs. When an Amway loser claims to be an entrepreneur - I ask about this product or service they've created and are selling to real customers. Silence. Ambots don't understand the meaning of the word or think it's the same thing as being a "business owner".
You have brought up some very good truths about what's it's really like in Amway and how the upline really views the downline. Amway Ambots don't give a flying fuck about anyone in their downline other than how much money they can make off them.
Notice that the Amway recruiter says "I'm working on building a group of partnerships... It's very hard to explain over the phone..."
ReplyDeleteThese are two very big RED FLAGS. First, the weasel-like lie about "a group of partnerships" is just a disguise for the real truth, which is that he wants a down-line. Nobody is a "partner" in the Amway racket! You are just a salesman paying money and homage to your up-line and your Platinum.
Cults frequently distort the proper meaning of words in order to suit their aims. In Amway, they love to use the words "partner," "entrepreneur," "business owner," "opportunity," "leadership," and "investment" in totally insane ways that have nothing to with what the words really mean.
Second, note that "It's very hard to explain over the phone" is a giveaway that the cult needs you to be physically present at a meeting where you can be worked on with emotional and psychological pressure. They want to hand you over to creeps who will love-bomb you with phony compliments, and to some slick-talking Platinum scumbag who will give you the hard sell about how you are a "sharp guy" who can get rich easily in this "great opportunity."
I hope this man will come back with an account of what happened at the Amway meeting. I'm sure it will be a confirmation of all that I have said above.
Anonymous - everything this prospect heard from the Ambots are standard Amway catch phrases. Blogs like this are so important to get the word out because as you pointed out these are red flags that the prospect is dealing with the Amway cult or a similar scam MLM.
DeleteNobody is a partner in Amway unless your last name is DeVos or VanAndel.
But Amway Ambots will use the word "partner" or that they want to do business with you or we can do business together. It's all about avoiding the A word and referring to ScAmway as "the business".
Mentorship is another huge catch word in the Amway cult. OK some of these little bastards might be really good at technology and can show us some shortcuts or better ways of using our phones or computers. That doesn't make them a "mentor" unless its happening inside the Amway cult. I think we were assigned 3 or 4 "mentors" who all had different areas of "expertise" LOL!
A lot of companies have had to change the way they do business in the past 2 years with less in person meetings. That doesn't work for pyramid schemes and MLM scams. The Amway cult leaders know they have a better chance of pressuring a prospect who's in front of them that they can befriend and compliment and love bomb. Not quite as effective over Zoom.
Stay tuned. Part 2 is coming!