He just kept going on with it, and the longer it went the more I realized that the primary reason we could not get any real help from our upline was that they were already making plenty of money from us off of their share of the tapes, books, seminars, and rallies. Just one example; it costs pennies each to mass duplicate a tape of one of these "upline" talking at a rally, and our price for the two tapes of the week ten years ago was over $7.00 each!
Finally I asked our oh-so-caring sponsors to talk to him and get him to drop the business since he was obviously not going to work it. Instead, they encouraged him to continue having contact with them behind my back, he got a credit card that I did not know about and put $6,000 on it while pulling the bills out of the mail so that I never saw them.
This was because I was working a second job to try and pay off the other two credit cards, 80+% of which were charged up with Amway crap. I was giving him $400 a month that he was supposed to be directly applying to charge cards. Instead, he was making the minimum payments and spending the cash on more motivational crap. They told him he was doing the right thing because once he became successful it would all be made up to me, in spades.
$16,000 spent in four years. One marriage nearly ruined. Bankruptcy. And to this day he will not throw out the pictures of himself with those Diamonds and Emeralds. He's not the same person and never will be, thanks to the brainwashing techniques they use, which strongly resemble those used by religious cults.
The only time in my life that I would refuse to urinate on one of those rat-faced Amway ba****** would be if he or she were on fire.
- Wife asks/begs husband to quit. Check.
- Upline making money off the downline victim. Check.
- Sponsor doesn’t give a flying fuck about the wife. Check.
- Husband racking up the credit card bill. Check.
- Husband sneaking around behind the wife’s back to associate with the Amway cult. Check.
- Husband only making minimum payment on credit card bills so he still has money to buy more Amway shit and motivational products. Check.
- Bullshit propaganda from the upline about how one day the husband will be successful. Check.
- Thousands of dollars spent on Amway. Check.
- Marriage nearly ruined. Check.
- Husband has been brainwashed by the cult. Check.
- Wife calls the upline “rat-faced Amway bastards”. Check.
Hi there Anna.. i was invited to this "Business" talk/discussion by a long-time-no-see-friend just now..turns out to be Amway.."GREAT".
ReplyDeleteWell..i was kind of drawn into this thing there and end up registering to be an Amway member for around USD 30, for the sake of at least using their so-called "discounted" price products like toothpaste, supplements, or whatever stuffs they sell, which i think is fair enough/no harm to try.
I was still sceptical, now after reading several blogs, which i'm glad i did..i think i really better step away from the ledge of this scam hole.
They have a 3-days seminar coming up in Sept which gonna cost around USD 100.
My friend said i can cancel the membership within a year, and they will refund the USD 30 in full. Well i'm willing to pay that for my stupidity even if they don't!
Heck, my friend was in this cult for 1 year already, i asked him "So how are you doing so far, with all those seminars/products that you have invested?", he replied "I'm starting to get back those spent money now, few months more, i will start to get profit".
My thought "yeah right..1 year and you are barely making any profit".
Just sharing some info here.
I don't know how many real successful stories out there, but no thanks Amway, your way is not my way.
Thanks again for the info shared.
Regards
Just a guy from South East Asia looking for a better and honest life. =)
Edge - thank you for stopping by with your story.
ReplyDeleteYup many get recruited into Amway by an old friend who suddenly calls them out of the blue thanks to the name list the upline made them create. Gotta contact everyone you know!
I think somewhere deep down most ambots started out just like you and only trying to make a better life for themselves but got sucked into an evil maze of lies that they had to keep alive.
Yeah exactly, it seems like that they have no choice but to continue with what they've started.
ReplyDeleteI was kind of disappointed because my friend didn't even mention "Amway".
He kept on saying it's a business that he would like me to participate in, i thought it was going to be a proposal to start a business.
Then, i arrived there and watched as the presenter revealed the ugly truth in my face.
You see, "Amway" name is so bad here that even the Ambot themselves don't dare to use it because they know there's a very high chance that we will reject the invitation immediately. *Sigh*
The thought of "Sacking your boss"/"Passive income"/"Retire young" just isn't convincing, apparently most of them are still having a proper job to support their life.
Ironically, aren't they working for Amway per se? Why don't they just sack the Amway boss?
Now there's also one thing i don't understand, if this business model is working so well, why do they need us to continue attending seminars/talk, or buying book/CD (i haven't been introduced to this, but i think they will do so very soon).
The model seems simplistic enough, you buy products, you get points (PV?) and the whole team share the profit based on some percentage, obviously the more you contribute, the more you will earn.
So what else to learn there? Why can't they just publish a single book/CD that list down all the skills required to practice whatever strategy/plan they use?
And the weekly/monthly meetings, i wonder what do they discuss? It is about how many people they've scammed and how they did it?
How much ever the stories we hear like this new prospects continue to fall into the trap... To be honest I know that, there is nothing called Amway success but you can define yourself as success with system scam involvement
ReplyDeleteEdge - Sadly, what you have recently observed has always lurked in human culture; for 'None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.'
ReplyDeleteAll blame-the-victim cultic frauds are based on giving their victims the illusion that they are making free choices. In reality, cult adherents are subjected (without their fully-informed consent) to co-ordinated devious techniques of social, psychological and physical persuasion. These techniques are designed to provoke in cult adherents an infantile total dependence on their group to the detriment of themselves and their existing relationships.
I have described the process of shutting down cult adherents critical and evaluative facuties as 'intellectual castration.' It should be classified in law as a form of assault.
Because, in the so-called 'Amway business model' there have been, and can be, no significant retail sales made by the adherents to the general public for a profit, all unquestioning 'Amway' adherents (who continue to buy and to recruit) are ultimately doomed to lose their cash. The more they lose, the more they are loaded with guilt. The real cash has always been earned in 'Amway' by a tiny minority who peddle their 'guilty' adherents publications, recordings, tickets to meetings, etc., on the pretext that these 'optional materials' contain 'secrets vital to achieving success.'
Exactly the same, blame-the-victim, advance fee fraud has been present within various other cults, e.g. 'Scientology.'
David Brear (copyright 2012)
Hey Anna,
ReplyDeleteI know this isn't the post to do this, but I'm surprised you haven't blogged about the huge class action legal payout Amway was recently forced to make yes. Planning to do so later?
All I can say is you all must have been part of one messed up team.
ReplyDeleteMy team won't let us buy the tools unless we have surpassed our planned monthly goal by $250. Then I invest part of that in CDs, books, samples, and the likes. We agreed that the business had to be self-sustaining or it would be shut down. Period.
So far, we have done that every month, and after setting aside an amount every month for taxes, were able to reach our first monthly goal of $1K net a month in our first three months.
We don't push the plan, and honestly we couldn't care less if someone doesn't want to purchase our products. We would want a dissatisfied customer far less than a pin on our lapel.
As a matter of fact, we've set up three local non-profit businesses as B2B customers, with only 5% retail profit set up, and have helped them to not only save money with the Amway products, but to bring in a steady monthly profit without even having to push a single item on them.
They problem was not with Amway, it was with poor team leadership.
I guess I'm going to have to start my own blog to discuss why my post wasn't approved on your blog. Yellow journalism at it's best.
ReplyDelete"Wah wah, my post didn't show up, it's a conspiracy, a plot, I tell ya!"
DeleteOh brother. What a dope. Look at the list of recent comments, a-hole. Lots of brainwashed Ambots getting their propaganda printed, so it's not a case of only printing anti-Amway stuff. Sometimes things get lost on the internet superhighway. Get over yourself and back to your 1% success rate plan. No one is stopping you. All this site tries to do is warn potential victims of the rosy lies used to lure innocent folks into the finance-ruining/relationship-destroying cult.
That's all. ;)
I agree with both of you, it is a cult if you persuit as a team building business, but not if you do retail...I cleared $200 a month selling ribbon albums, and $1000 on Christmas..no meetings, CDs, or other things. I think the problem with Amway is fake advertising...at the time, 200 bucks a month was a good amount of money for me, paid for college books, and my sponsor luckily was honest and told me that the business was good enough to net a few bucks if I had a client for those albums. That's is the way that should be advertised, not a millionaire making utopia. I am sad that Amway caused distress in your marriage Anna, I like that you turned a bad experience into an interesting piece of media, even if we don't agree completely.
ReplyDeleteHi anonymous thanks for stopping by! Yes some people do make a little and lets stress little money selling mway products on the side and not wasting their money attending Amway meetings and buying tools. Very rare because your upline would normally be riding your ass to be spending money on these things. If you have what it takes to make money in Amway then you probably have what it takes to make decent money doing something else with your life. Good luck to you!
DeleteAnna Banana, ciao from Italy.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to briefly share my little experience with you and your followers.
I was once in my life approached by Ambots (I like to call them 'zombies'). And after reading some horror-stories about Amway and how people fall into it, I found out the approach made to me was really strange, if not weird.
I work in the tourism industry (yes, I am a loser without his own 'business'). The person (let's call it 'X') who suggested me to join the company I work in and presented me to it, has a partner who has a rather nice job in a multinational IT big company.
This partner (let's call it 'Y') was told by the managment of jis/her company that he/she cannot have a raise in his/her career due to economic crisis running in our country. Y was very disappointed and, for reasons I don't know (and honestly I don't give a holy fuck about that), Y entered Amway and become an Ambot. So did X.
One day, my colleague X tells me: "Listen, my partner Y wants to talk with you about a business opportunity."
The Ambot Y came late in our office and started to explain me their big plan... entering Amway!!! OMFG what a boost for my finances!!!
I said in my introduction that I found out the approach made to me was really strange, I'll explain why.
Mr/s Y explained to me, rather honestly I'd say, what is all about Amway, and asked me what I think about it. I told him, I have a very good selling attitude, but I am not sure if it could work on a 'business' such as Amway.
He replied to me (here it comes what I call 'strange approach' smth like that: "No dear... I don't need you to sell. I want you to join and help me finding people to sell for us. We'll make money dear...lotsa money!"
I gently refused, and this didn't affected that much my professional relationship with X, altought soon after the refusal we did not spoke that much together.
Reading some horror stories on the net, I feel now that Mr/s Y kinda "loves" me. For he/she didn't want me to sell stuff (well, maybe at first), but to help him/her to build a network or something like that, as I now realize.
So I've to say: "Thank you mr/s Ambot!!!" don't I?
Anyway I enjoy reading your posts Anna Banana (yes, I have a very good taste for black/dark/horror issues such as cults, MLN's and junkies' life), keep up the good information work and may the Olympus' Gods be with you!!!
p.s.
the Ambot colleague is still into 'the business', even if he/she still didn't quit the current job to become an Ambot-puppeteer... maybe the network building process is still on progress, or they just have an Amway account to buy things for themselves... who knows... and who gives a single fuck???
Hi anonymous! Thanks for stopping by to tell us your story. Yeah every Amway approach is weird or creepy. It's very hard to sell Amway products to anyone because of the high prices and low quality. That's why ambots buy from themselves. Amway is not supposed to be a recruitment building scheme but as you found out that's what it's all about. To sign up other people and teach them to buy from their own shop.
DeleteYour colleague won't have much to say to you until they quit Amway. Ambots don't really associate with anyone who isn't in Amway. Sounds like you're doing good in your chosen profession anyway and happy with your life. You don't need Amway fucking up your life.
I think there is a massive confusion between Amway as the corporation and the business support materials such as the tapes and the CDs. I don't believe that the programs given by the Amway corporation are tools that you have to pay for. Are the tapes and CDs from the actual corporation or are they from the 'support' system from another business?
ReplyDeleteThat is my personal question and I haven't quite understood that. Cheers if you can answer that because I am trying to figure that out myself.
Anonymous - you'd be better off asking that question to someone with more recent membership in the Amway cult. There were CDs fro both Amway and the cult group we were part of but all had to be purchased through the assholes in our Amway upline. Amway is in charge of everything. The cult leaders from each group can not release any of this bullshit fake business materials like CDs and books without some bigwig at Amway approving everything that goes out to the cult followers. It wouldn't do if some rogue Diamond to release a CD saying what he really thinks of how Amway food bars taste or that Monavie is a better business opportunity than Amway.
DeleteMy daughter and finance' have been involved in this crap for 2 years and their house has already went into foreclosure. She is getting married this weekend to this control freak so she is getting it from him and Amway when it comes to the brainwashing. I am from SC, do you know of any support groups in this state that helps parents deal with this. I am just heartbroken.
ReplyDeleteMy heart goes out to you. Nothing worse than seeing a loved one get hooked into a cult, whether religious or financial. But the brainwashing techniques are the same. As are the results. A complete change in personality and loss of common sense and rationality. They will defend the cult as being good for them despite all reality (the home foreclosure) showing otherwise. You're feeling the frustrations that trying to reason with a brainwashed person can cause. It's like talking to someone from another planet where up is down and left is right. And the pain of a parent watching her child marry someone that in your heart you know is bad for them. But the brainwashed person has it embedded in their psyche that anyone outside of the cult doesn't know what they are talking about and only wants to steal their "dream". Sadly in the case of Amway, facts show that 99.9% of them will never realize that "dream"... it will always be a fantasy carrot dangled in front of them by their cult masters while they are being bled dry. At some point the losing of money won't even mean anything to them anymore. It becomes more of an addiction to stay "plugged in" to the cult and the illusion of friendship and "love" from the cult masters and fellow brainwashed souls. It's truly evil how those at the top of the pyramid manipulate and milk all they can from those under them while professing love and friendship for their victims.
DeleteAs for support groups, I personally am on the other side of the country so don't know of any recommendations on SC. I don't know if there are any support groups for the families of Ambots, but at the very least I would think there should be some support groups for those who have lost family members to cults, because that is exactly what anything that used brainwashing to take over another's mind is... a cult.
Hi Anonymous. Sorry to hear about your daughter and future son-in-law and the Amway cult. Yup it starts with the foreclosure and then bankruptcy will soon follow. You can bet they've maxed out more credit cards than you know about buying shitty overpriced Amway products and investing in the tool scam. Very few marriages can survive this kind of financial trauma. Divorce will follow. There's nothing that makes those Amway bastards happier than destroying other relationships.
DeleteAs for support groups I've never heard of any other than little pockets on the Internet where others who've had their lives damaged or destroyed come to share stories and seek solace such as this blog. If Amway was a responsible company it would set up a foundation similar to how other addiction groups gets assistance and provide financial support after the ambot has been wiped out thanks to chasing the Amway nightmare. But Amway isn't a responsible company and doesn't give a flying fuck about the destruction it leaves in their wake. As long as they make money off other people's misery that's all they're in for.
You might try this website for assistance https://www.freedomofmind.com/
Possible cult intervention but you'll have to work fast if the wedding's this weekend. Good luck.
Well, I am an emotional wreck now. My beautiful daughter married the controlling asshole. It started off I was approached at the home of the lady that is over my daughter. She asked if I was the bride's mother and I said yes and she quickly turned and went back into the house to let my daughter know I was there. As it got close to the time for her to walk down the isle my sister and law told this bitch we wanted to speak with my daughter in private, she told us no! All the other Ambots gathered around my daughter as if they were protecting her. Well, all hell broke loose and I started to leave until my son talked to my daughter and she said she wanted me to stay. I still didn't get to tell her "I love you" before the wedding. Once pictures were being taken they were taking the mother of the bride and bride pictures and I lost it. Through heavy tears I had to tell my daughter all my personal thoughts and wishes for her in front of total strangers. Her husband walked over and tried to come in between us but my husband intervened and stood between us and the dickhead. A little while later the person that "married" them spilled the beans and said they had already gotten married a couple of days before and they were doing the ceremony for show and for practice for him for when he gets ordained. Yep, he's a Ambot too. We didn't even go to the reception, what was the point and besides I had a sinus infection from hell and didn't want to be around these nut cases anymore.
DeleteHi Anonymous. Sorry to hear you couldn't stop your daughter from marrying an ambot. Hopefully one day her eyes will be open that he is wasting their money chasing the Amway nightmare and will get divorced. Of course nothing makes ambots happier than destroying other people's relationships.
DeleteFor now that she is in Amway, no different than in any other cult, the ambots go into full force to keep her away from people in her life that could reason with her and knock some sense into her. As you discovered at the wedding with the ambots blocking her access to you.
And wasn't that whole wedding thing creepy. Getting married by someone who can legally conduct the ceremony, and then the 2nd time around married by an Amway cult leader. That's the thing when you're in Amway, it now means you're an expert in everything, though ambots usually choose doctors and lawyers and that sort of thing as their area of expertise, not usually clergy. Though I suppose that's up for grabs too! Amway is a pretend business with pretend business owners who pretend that they're every occupation under the sun too. Like every other cult Amway has their own twisted brand of religion with the Amway cult leaders preaching the gospel of greed.
So sorry that your nightmare came true. You saw first hand how a cult works. Those who say Amway is not a cult know nothing about the deep mind control methods used by cults. And Amway uses them to the fullest. It's the only way to keep people trapped in the web of control while they bleed their finances dry. And part of it is what you saw... making sure that family and anyone else outside of the cult who they see as a threat to their control is kept apart from them. The techniques aren't any different than if she got caught up with the moonies. Her mind isn't what it was when you knew her before all this. They've changed her and turned her against all those outside of the cult. Understand that they are doing all her thinking for her while making her think it's all her decision. That's why cults thrive.
DeleteI know your heart is hurting. Your daughter has changed, and not for the better. Cult members are brainwashed to feel that their life has improved and they are better people surrounded by loving new people, but it's because their reality has been twisted.
I will hope that at some point something helps her to break free of the control. Hopefully something that she discovers on her own because as you've already found out, she won't listen to any reason or logic from you since the cult has told her you are the "enemy" not to "support" her in the hell she has become a part of. Time may be on your side as often those stuck in Amway eventually have their finances bottom out and have no choice but to break free from it, and as the brainwashing sessions run out the cloud lifts from their mind. There is always hope.
Moonies, ambots, different cults similar agendas. Its all about brainwashing and mind control and stealing the follower's money.
DeleteYes, the wedding was the strangest thing I've ever seen. I stood in the back with my husband, I didn't want to be anywhere near these crazy people. I really am glad that I found your website, you have no idea how much this has helped me knowing that there is someone out there that knows what I am going through. Everything you have described I have seen in my daughter, she is not the same. I don't know when I will ever get to talk to her again but I am considering telling her that she is welcome to come to my house but not him. He probably wouldn't anyway but I feel like she may say that if he can't come then she won't either. Everyone thinks that it will hit her the hardest during the holidays when all of a sudden she won't be involved in family activities, we are a very close family. Thank you for being here for me.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - the ambots have their own little cult get togethers for the holidays. Christmas, Thanksgiving all ambots should get together and give thanks for Amway type of thing. Actually showed up at the tail end of both and other than knowing these are cult members the meals were no different than what I'd expect. Just more talk about how everyone's getting rich. Those were the less creepy Amway events I went to! And like I say it was mostly a stop in after we'd done our thing and were on the way home. Maybe we missed the good stuff.......
DeleteThese crazy people are Amway cult followers. I think you need to download the free ebook Merchants of Deception - look on the right side of this page further up for a link. Find out as much as you can about the Amway cult so you're better prepared to deal with your daughter.
The most important thing is don't enable her. Don't buy a $50 box of soap to help out her sales quota because all that does is encourage her. Likewise don't bail them out financially. Any money would go toward paying down the credit card enough so they have room to buy more Amway products. Tough love is all you can do with an Amway cult follower.
Thank you, yes I guess I will be practicing tough love. I know it's going to be the hardest thing I will ever have to do but I will not have her husband in my house looking down his nose at us. Believe me, we are much more financially stable they are and I will not bail them out. All they wanted for wedding gifts was money but they didn't get any from my family. I'm sure they were very disappointed.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - everyone in Amway looks down their noses at all the people who are too "stupid" (in their opinion) to sign up with Amway. So its not just like her husband, its every ambot out there. The problem with having them in your house is that they will rummage through your kitchen and cleaning supplies and bring out "illegal" products. You know the products that Amway sells a similar product that costs 4 or 5 times more than what you spent at the grocery store. They'll berate you for going to the store to buy those items instead of supporting them and their Amway store and buying from them.
DeleteThe fact that they went into foreclosure thanks to Amway shows they're not financially responsible - well who is when you got the Great Amway God breathing down your neck wanting to be tithed!
Wanted money? I don't even recall getting money, though its possible and I just don't remember that far back. I remember toasters, clock radios, a microwave oven, glassware, that type of thing. I can't even remember everything anymore! But yeah just send cash would be an Amway ambot cry. To hell with that ambot! I'll bring an electric can opener. I'd bring real tampons that don't leak unlike Amway's leaky brand but that might be too tacky for a wedding gift! Even for an Amway ambot!