My story of what its like to be married to an Amway cult follower. I expose the lies that our upline told and what happens at Amway meetings and functions. I leave the explanations of why Amway is a poor business opportunity or the tool scam to other bloggers. This blog mainly exists to curse out my former upline, aka the cult leaders, and to let everyone know what kind of idiots I had to put up with. Feel free to join in or live vicariously!
Tuesday, August 21, 2012
How Many Ambots Can You Stuff in a Tent?
28 comments:
Comments are moderated but we publish just about everything. Even brainwashed ambots who show up here to accuse us of not trying hard enough and that we are lazy, quitters, negative, unchristian dreamstealers. Like we haven’t heard that Amspeak abuse from the assholes in our upline!
If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:
1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.
2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.
3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.
4. Gossip that serves no purpose. There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why they’re getting divorced. If you absolutely must share that here – don’t name names. I get too many nosy ambots searching for this. Lets not help them find this shit.
5. Posting something creepy anonymously and we can’t track your location because you’re on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. I attracted an obsessed fan and one of my blog administrators attracted a cyberstalker. Lets keep it safe for everyone. Anonymous is OK. Creepy anonymous and hiding – go fuck yourselves!
6. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.
7. Posting bullshit Amway propaganda. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. Otherwise take your agenda somewhere else. Not interested.
8. Notice how this blog is written in English? That's our language so keep your comments in English too. If you leave a comment written in another language then we either have to use Google translate to put it into English so everyone can understand what you wrote or we can hit the Delete button. Guess which one is easier for us to do?
9. We suspect you're a troublemaking Amway asshole.
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Hey Anna, did you know that a department of the British government is trying to shut down Amway UK? And that Diamonds can have their Amway contract terminated on a whim?
ReplyDeleteCouldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.
http://www.jerryandmandy.co.uk/
Al
Anonymous that sounds like a good idea. Amway can shut anyone down at any time for whatever reason and fire them. So much for owning your own business!
DeleteYou need to do some research! The case against Amway UK was dropped in 2009. Some radical changes were made as to how the company operates and all for the better!
DeleteTony, this article is a re-print of a formerly popular one.
DeleteBERR lost? Riddle me this. Why does Amway in the UK have no joining fees and has some rules about retailing that doesn't exist in other Amway markets?
DeleteThe case wasn't dropped- BERR lost. They appealed and they lost again.
DeleteAnna Banana knows this.
Anonymous - reprint of what? The other anon (you?) wrote to AB advising her that the government IS trying to shut down Amway. Not that they tried and failed.
You need to do some research! The case against Amway UK was dropped in 2009. Some radical changes were made as to how the company operates and all for the better!
DeleteAmway products are incredibly overpriced, although the quality is usually ok. I've been looking through your blog for some time, and I wanted to ask for your help/opinion. My parents have fallen for the Amway scam. They're not too deep yet, but I fear my mother might have quit her job, and they've already begun going to public places and hassling people I believe. I tried to show them evidence that Amway was a horrid company, but they didn't listen, in fact, they got offended and said not to badmouth Amway anymore. I've really run out of ideas and I'm relatively worried. Any tips?
ReplyDeleteSadly you may have to let Amway run its course with them.
DeleteFrankly, I have to act because I really don't think we can survive it financially.
DeleteHi Anonymous. Hmm my response to you must have flown off into cyberspace somewhere! Anyway I'm sorry to hear about your parents getting caught into this evil cult. Are you sure your mother quit? If so it was probably on the upline's advice and their 18th century values about how the woman does not work and stays home to look after the house and children. Is it possible your mother got fired? That happens frequently to brainwashed ambots who show up at work with shitty attitudes sneering at eir coworkers because they work a job instead of being a business owner. As the last poster said you've really got to let them run their course as difficult as it is to watch. Once they go through their savings account and max out the credit cards they won't be able to afford to keep tithing their cult leaders. If they have an accountant who does their taxes you should enlist that persons help and get them to set up a profit and less statement and some kind of timeline otherwise they could end up bankrupt and in foreclosure or maybe divorce court if one wants to get out and the other doesn't.
DeleteThere's no one I can really turn to for help, they're too deep into it now. My mother is trying to get me to sell Amway lipstick at school, even though she knows very well I hate Amway. They also had to waste school supply money on Amway, and if she wasn't fired yet she will be soon. Thank you anyway.
DeleteAnonymous - part of being in Amway is being brainwashed not to believe anyone who is not in Amway because they are all negative dream stealers. Your parents will be brainwashed to disassociate themselves from family and friends, anyone who can reason with them about how a business opportunity with less than 1% chance of success is a lousy opportunity. Stick to your guns about not selling expensive Amway makeup. Women won't buy it unless a one time pity purchase. There are better lipsticks on the market for better prices.
DeleteOh same anon who just posted, now they're trying to recruit neighbors (I'm friends with the neighbors kid, due to them hassling the kids family, I wasn't invited to the birthday party. Wonderful.)
ReplyDeleteYup that sounds about right. Ambots are fully consumed with prospecting anyone and everyone. No different that any other cult's recruiting methods except this one can cause huge financial and emotional distress.
DeleteAnna - Your reader, Mr. Robinson, should also do some research.
ReplyDeleteIn 2007 (partly as a result of my complaints), the UK government Trade Minister filed a public interest, civil bankruptcy petition against 'Amway UK Ltd.'
In response, 'Amway UK Ltd.' effectively halted its unlawful activities in the UK and tried to persuade UK trade regulators to drop the case.
In brief, UK government trade regulators discovered that 'Amway UK Ltd.' has been secretly financed by multi-million dollar payments from outside the UK, and had never declared a trading profit since its instigation in 1973. The regulators saw that the company was the insolvent front for the so-called 'tool-scam, run by 'Diamonds' like Jerry and Mandy Scriven,' but UK trade regulators have no powers to make criminal investigations or pursue criminal prosecutions. Instead, they attempted to close 'Amway UK Ltd.' down on the grounds that the company had been collecting registration payments from British recruits contrary to UK lottery and trading schemes legislation.
In cases like this, UK companies can be automatically bankrupted and closed on the instruction of a High Court Judge, because they cannot repay what they have collected unlawfully. 'Amway UK Ltd.' needed to be closed before a criminal investigation could be launched.
Although 'Amway UK Ltd.' was found to have been in breach of UK trading schemes law, it narrowly escaped closure after promising High Court Judge Norris that it had voluntarily reformed its previously unlawful activites and had expelled certain 'Diamonds' including Jerry and Mandy Scriven. The UK trade Minister appealed this ruling on the grounds that it was unsafe and incorrect in law, but, in 2008, the UK Appeal Court (comprising 3 senior Judges) upheld the first lenient ruling by a majority of 2 to 1.
In public, UK government attorneys had described chronic 'Amway' adherents as deluded. In private, senior UK trade regulators compared 'Amway' to the 'KKK' during the 1920s.
David Brear (copyright 2012)
My friend got lured into this mess earlier this year. Her mother called me last night to inform me she had suffered a panic attack. Ever since January she has been all over the state prospecting, attending, and setting up these meetings and night-howls. The last time I saw her was two months ago, I was walking out of a bar/grill place in town with some friends and saw her eating in her car. I went over to her window to say "hi" and try to catch up. According to what she told me she took out her cable, sleeps with her cd-player on/headphones to her ears all night long listening to these CDs because according to her anyone listening to music or watching TV is an idiot. In her words "THEY'RE NOT PAYING ME TO LISTEN TO THEIR MUSIC OR WATCH THEIR SHOWS!" She also said something that horrified me quite a bit. In her words "TIME IS MONEY, AND SLEEPING IS WASTED MONEY!" I believe she might be sleeping less than three hours a day. From what her mother said, she stopped communicating with everyone. She doesn't want to hear from you unless you're in Amway. She tried convincing everyone in her family to join but they all evade her like the plague now! She told me the last time I saw her that her schedule was spacked (she was proud of this). She also told me she changes in the car to be able to make it on time to all the meetings and nighthowls. I'm wondering if she showers! From what it looks like she doesn't even have time to blink. I believe even taking a shit would have to wait for whenever her schedule is clear. Has any ambot ever suffered a stroke while driving, on their way to a meeting or whatever Amway shit they're attending? I'm kind of freaked, I think she might suffer a stroke soon...if not sooner than soon!
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Sorry to hear about your friend. What you have described is very common. Just about everyone says similar things about people they know in Amway. Lack of sleep and keeping the Ambot constantly busy are cult techniques. The more tired a person is the easier to brainwash because they'll agree to anything when suffering from lack of sleep. I can't say that I've had anyone show up here who was having panic attacks but I can see how that would happen. Some other bloggers have mentioned people in Amway who were tired driving home late after a meeting and getting into car accidents and I vaguely remember reading about someone who died while driving home from a late Amway meeting. I think it might have been in the book Merchants of Deception. Oh I just remembered a poster who was here a year or so ago and they wer having medical issues including hospitalization that might have been symptoms of a panic attack. She quit Amway and began feeling better so she was sure there was a direct link to her health and being in Amway. The law of averages is on your side. Most ambots quit in a couple of years. Once they've run out of money they don't have much choice if they want to get their life back on track.
DeleteWow, your friend certainly does have the Amway disease bad. And no wonder if she actually sleeps with headphones on listening to their nonsense all night. Talk about massively brainwashed. At this point her upline could probably convince her to drink cyanide-laced XS Energy drinks.
DeleteThe upline pushes that only those who give 100% of their lives to Amway can ever make it, but as your friend will find out eventually is it is a flawed system based on unrealistic projections in terms of drawing in new recruits (suckers) and being able to keep them once they find it's a money-losing proposition. One has to be a ruthless liar and without conscience to convince people to join in order to leech off of them as their finances are drained like blood.
Those who are brainwashed feel they are "better people" being in Amway, but as your letter shows, they become irrational, obsessed with money (which they never see), unsociable (since all they see other people as are prospects) and what they are left with can hardly be called a "life".
Very sad.
~Dave
Anna - You are absolutely correct, most Ambots (like most 'Scientologists')do not persist, due to lack of funds. However, a minority have managed to continue for extended periods and wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars.
ReplyDeleteIt is impossible to calculate the exact number of destitute and exhausted Ambot de facto slaves who have actually died in vain pursuit of their Utopian Dreams. Some have fallen asleep at the wheels of their clapped-out cars, whilst others have become so loaded with debt, guilt and shame, that they have committed sucide.
One thing is certain, chronic Ambots are in such a vulnerable state psychologically, physically and financially, that they will try to starve themselves, their friends and families, to death financially (and sometimes physically), convinced that what they are doing is in everyone's future interests.
There is no doubt that chronic Ambots are psychotic, and their non-rational (self-harming), unquestioning mind-set can be compared to chronic anorexics slowly starving to death physically - falsely believing that they are grossly-over-weight and repulsive.
In the same way that you cannot force a skeletal anorexic to see external reality, you cannot force a chronic Ambot to accept the danger of his/her situation.
Sadly, the more you threaten the inflated-ego of chronic cult adherents by arguing with them: the further you can drive them into their self-gratifying group-delusion.
As you rightly observe, with temporary Ambots, patience is the key, and it is helpful to leave temporary Ambots a dignified way back to external reality.
David Brear (copyright 2012)
Mr. Steadson, your bosses' propaganda will no longer be tolerated on this Blog.
ReplyDeleteContrary to what you have implied, there was absolutely no confusion in Judge Norris' mind as to what the UK government's Dept. of Business Enterprise and Regulatory Reform's case was against 'Amway UK Ltd.'.
Judge Norris aknowledged that the UK Government petitioners, acting on behalf of the public, had refused to enter into negotiations with the legal representatives of 'Amway UK Ltd.,' fearing that the company's promises to reform, after years of flouting the law, were just a smoke screen. Judge Norris specifically wrote in his decision to decline the UK government's petition, that he would have been obliged by law to accept the petition and close 'Amway UK Ltd.,' had the company not offered his court undertakings that significant reforms had been introduced.
In other words, 'Amway UK Ltd.' never denied that it had been breaking the law in the UK . However, the company's attorneys first tried to escape being held to account by pretending that the company's officers had been completely unaware that they had been breaking the law, and by promising UK regulators that the company had stopped breaking the law voluntarily, but the regulators were not impressed. They brought the case to court. A UK High Court judge then ruled that the government had been right to bring the case to his court, because 'Amway UK Ltd.' had indeed been breaking the law, but, unlike the regulators, Judge Norris decided to accept 'Amway's' attorney's promises.
Even then, the regulators, refused to trust 'Amway' and tried to get the decision over-turned.
At no stage did either the UK High Court or the UK Appeal Court decide that 'Amway UK Ltd.' had not been breaking the law or that the UK government's case was groundless.
Is that really so tough for you to understand, Mr. Steadson?
Blog Administrator.
Hello Blog Administrator/Anonymous! Why are you anonymous?
ReplyDeleteBecause you're a freaking troll. You admitted it on another forum.
DeleteBecause I am not Anna Banana. I am helping Anna while she is vacationing.
ReplyDeleteHello blog administrator, I posted a comment in the "staying in amway for fear of breaking marriage" post around 2days ago but the comment hasn't appeared yet.
DeleteAlexander your comment ended up in the spam filter and has been published now. Sometimes that happens. Thanks for letting us know. We decided to take weekends off so it might take a few days to get a comment published depends when you post.
DeleteHi Alex, your comments may have been deleted by accident because IBOFightback and a commentator named Tony Robinson have been banned from this blog and replies to their comments may have also been shit canned by association. The blog administrator has reason to believe that Tony Robinson is a fake profile.
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