Thursday, February 25, 2016

10 Warning Signs of a Dangerous Amway Leader

This is an excerpt that was originally on the Rick Ross web site. I guess he must have let his domain expire and another guy with the same name picked it up. Or if it’s the same guy he’s now reviewing casinos. The original article can now be found here.

This page is worth a read. In addition to warning signs of a leader it includes a list of warning signs that people might be involved with a dangerous leader. Interestingly there is also a list of 10 signs of a safe leader. Ha ha! Nothing on the safe list can be said about our former sack of shit Platinum! He’s the complete opposite!

Anyway Rick Ross’s list is called Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader but it could just as aptly be named Ten warning signs of a dangerous Amway leader. The comments in black are Rick Ross’s warning signs. The comments in red are mine. Get it. Red is a color warning of danger.
  1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. This was mostly clear to me from our sack of shit Platinum who we heard speak more than we heard any other speaker, Emerald or Diamond. He demanded everyone in his downline to “ask permission” before doing anything. Constantly telling us to “submit to upline” and never question upline.
  2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. “Never question upline! Who do you think you are asking me something like that! Everything I say is the truth!”
  3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. The sack of shit never showed us his budget, his profit and loss statement, tax returns, etc. though he wanted to see all of ours.
  4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. All the time! What else is out there except Amway? The answer to everyone’s prayers. Financial security for the rest of your life. Everyone else is doomed to have a J.O.B. and work for someone else. Nothing but negativity at Amway meetings with all the talk of doom and gloom and businesses shutting down and social security won’t be there when you retire, etc.
  5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. The ones who leave are quitters, losers, broke losers, negative, dream stealers, etc. Nothing but insults for those who have quit Amway and current IBO’s are not allowed to associate with them anymore.
  6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. Our stories are all over the Internet. They’re all the same story: upline abuse, brainwashing, financial losses, house foreclosures, bankruptcy, emotional distress, destroyed marriages, alienation from friends and family.....
  7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. Again all over the Internet are blogs written by former IBO’s. NBC Dateline did an expose. Many former Amway cult followers have written books. Abuse from the upline and lives that have been destroyed by Amway is well documented.
  8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough". A good example of this was the attempt our WWDB group made to sell Amway items for Christmas and rented a community hall for the event. Ambot had several friends show up and one person made purchases. Ambot had the only sale there all day and was rather pleased with himself. When it was over the Platinum highlighted Ambot who was expecting praise but instead he was criticized that only one of his friends purchased Amway products and that meant they weren’t his true friends. It was a constant cycle of abuse where the Platinum would punish, scold and berate and then say “but we still love you”.
  9. The group/leader is always right. The sack of shit Platinum is always right. Pompous son of a bitch even told us once that his wife never wins an argument with him because he is always right. Oh gee, one of the top criteria for a happy marriage. According to Amway cult leaders that is.
  10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. Its all about information control. Our Platinum wanted to control the information the IBO’s received. Cult followers are brainwashed to believe the Platinum is always telling the truth. He gave his version of the news and told IBO’s not to listen to the news or read the Internet because it was wrong and could not be trusted whereas he would always tell the truth. Discrediting an information source is easier for the Platinum than debating the truth. By controlling the information the Platinum removes the IBO’s ability to think for themselves. Sleep deprivation also helps the cult leader in the brainwashing. Keeping IBO’s up to 1 or 2 or 3 in the morning and they are so tired that they’re willing to agree everything they hear at that hour is the truth.
Of course we can see it now. I’d say I saw this within a month of knowing the Platinum and getting involved in Amway. Too bad for the bastard that I wouldn’t drink the kool aid. Like we need any further proof that Amway leaders used cult techniques to brainwash their downline.

And then these same cult leaders claim Amway is not a cult. Deny, deny, deny. Lie, lie, lie. That’s the secret to success in Amway.

I’ll just send out another big old fuck you to everyone in our Amway upline. FUCK YOU AMWAY!!!


  1. Bottomline: The agreement is one-sided.

    Upline teaches downline accountability but uplines don't have that. They lack accountability and act defensively when their flaws are seen in the light.

    1. Anonymous - that's correct. Amway cult leaders demand accountability but fail to be accountable to anyone and get into a snarky huff when their flaws are pointed out.

  2. Upline teaches their cult members to use complicated jargons to make "the business opportunity" sound as if was real.

    That is why they use complicated jargons and hard-to-define words to defend a "fake opportunity".

    Examples are:
    1. Empowerment
    2. People helping people
    3. The platform
    4. Leveraging technologies
    5. Prosumer

    These ambots who shows up to blogs like JoeCool and Anna Banana will use those terms. They even tell non-ambots to "educate themselves" about this "business" and stop whining about this "business."

    1. Anonymous - its hilarious the way Ambots go out screeching everytime someone tries to tell them they're not real business owners. If those Ambots took their own advice about educating themselves about "the business" then they'd never have signed up in the first place.

    2. They are advocating prosumerism - buy from yourself mentality.

    3. Anonymous - they're advocating bullshit!

  3. Dear Anna --

    It seems like the Platinum who was in your up-line at Amway was a first-class scumbag and creep. If he embodied all of those characteristics of a dangerous leader, he must have been very like Hitler or Stalin or Mao.

    Didn't he skip out of Amway, and move to Monavie? So much for loyalty and ethics! The guy was just a scamming piece of shit who domineered over his down-line.

    Attacking your husband over that Christmas sale fiasco is perfectly explicable in terms of how a dictator operates. This platinum couldn't single out anyone else for chastisement, since all of them failed to make any sales at all, and therefore there was no way to justify picking on any individual one of them. But your husband stood out, since his friends had actually shown up. THIS MADE HIM A PERFECT TARGET! The Platinum went after him because he had to express his anger over the complete flop that the Christmas sale was, and your husband was the only target of opportunity. Dictators do this all the time... they go after someone who is noticeable, even if he is perfectly loyal, because he makes a good punching bag to teach everyone else a lesson.

    That's what the piece-of-shit Platinum in your up-line was doing: terrifying the rest of the ambots by making an example of your husband. It was a deliberate tactic.

    1. Hi Anonymous. Our Platinum got fired from Amway the love of his life about 3 years ago, maybe closer to 4 years. But your version is probably what he's spouting that he skipped out on Amway to defect to Monavie. He brought a lot of his downline over with him. That's how much influence he has.

      But yeah now that you spell it out, that was exactly what our Platinum was doing - terrifying the rest of the Ambots by abusing my husband in front of them. Makes sense. Doesn't make it right. Just makes him a good cult leader.

  4. @Anna Banana, I had a brief experience with an MLM years ago and can say these cult leader signs fit to a "T" what I seen in it. I actually laughed out loud when I saw your joking reply that Amway needs to raise their prices and gouge Ambots even more if they want to keep their sales up as they are going down about 10% a year and that will be the end of the party for Amway scam. I'll miss this site LOL.
    Apparently the American public doesn't want to drink either the Amway cult kool aid or XS caffeinated cat piss. I wonder why.

    1. Hi Ray. As unfortunate as it sounds the Amway cult is probably going to be around a long time. As long as there's a sucker born every minute Amway can sell the hope not the soap. Actually maybe that's what happening lately seeing as how sales took a nosedive! LOL!

      People know shitty products when they try them out. They also know overpriced shitty products when they see them. Amway's cornered that market but its not as profitable as say Walmart where you can spend less and live better!


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