Tuesday, February 2, 2016

Moving Out Of State To Get Away From Amway Assholes

Normal thinking people who have never been in a cult might think its quite drastic to move to another state to get away from Amway or more accurately the assholes in your Amway upline. I’ve been there. I thought about it myself. I was looking up houses for sale in New Mexico and Arizona just to get the hell away from those fucking Amway assholes in our upline. It didn’t come down to that for us. This just goes to show how horrible it is dealing with Amway people and the abuse you get from the fucking assholes in your Amway upline and all you can think about is putting some distance between you and those horrible evil Amway ambots. And you think about it not because you don’t like the house you live or where you’re living and because you want to move away from your friends and family. You think about it because you want to get away from the abuse doled out by those evil fucking bastards in your Amway upline and you don’t want to see those assholes ever again. For people like us who own their business and the land it sits on its not so easy to just up and move and start over again somewhere else. You have to sell the business first or maybe sell the business and the building separately and these things don’t happen overnight so some people can’t just up and move at a minutes notice even if it is to get away from the biggest fucking assholes you’ve ever met in your life. That’s what Amway does to people. When the reason why you’re looking to move is because of Amway that might look like a really shitty reason to move to another state but that’s what people think about to get away from those bastards. Here’s a story of a woman who had to do it. Forced to move out of state just to get away from the Amway evil. Thank you for sharing your story!

I hated your nasty language, but I agree with you that Amway/Quixtar, whatever they are calling it today, is a nasty "business." My husband and I were in it twice and all in all for several years. Both times, it was the same thing. It doesn't matter "who" your upline is...the business stinks. The first time we were in, we were so "controlled" and "watched" by upline as well as downline, we couldn't even go to a movie for "fear" someone in the "group" would see us and "tell" on us to everyone that we weren't "showing the plan." We were Direct Distributors, not making a penny "net" in the business! It cost us a fortune! We were intimidated into spending money on functions, tapes, tools, etc. We were threatened and told that our downline would "go around us" and deal directly with our upline if we didn't do what they told us to do. It was mind control pure and simple. We had to be on standing order for hundreds of tapes and were told to sell them! If we couldn't "move" them downline, we had to just "eat them!" They would not buy them back and we were forced to buy whatever amount upline told us to buy. They were making profit on every tape we bought, no matter if we could afford it or if we wanted to buy them or not. Our upline Direct even told us when I balked at having to pay for all those unloadable tapes, "Satan is just using you against me and I need to pray against you!" More intimidation! To not do everything we were told meant we no longer "were in the business." We finally moved out of state just to get out from under this control! I have never felt so free in my life as the day we moved away from there and from them!!!!!! Pure joy! Many years later, my husband wanted to "try again" with a different upline, thinking it was just "the people" we were associated with. Nope...same, same, same story!!!

I'm thankful today that we ended all association with Amway. Looking back and seeing today what we didn't know back then, it was wise, wise, wise to leave! Our upline Diamond was apparently having a 14-year affair with his Amway secretary and had 2 illegitimate children with her. He and his wife divorced. Our upline Crown had an affair apparently, as well. When I see all the divorces among the Amway people we personally knew, it's almost mind boggling! That's what "the love of money" will do for you!!

My first husband died 6 years ago; four years later I remarried. I found out the man I married carried a $35,000 credit card bad debt due to his involvement in HerbaLife. Incredible!!! A couple of people made a killing off of the millions of gullibles like us!

Whenever you get that first sniff of MLM...RUN, DO NOT WALK, FOR YOUR LIFE!!! It will chew you up, spit you out, and you will be left in debt, feeling foolish, and without family and friends...which you will have to rebuild. Use wisdom. Don't even think twice. RUN!!!! As fast as you can in the opposite direction!!!!!


  1. That's right. If you sniff MLM run for your life! I was sucked into one of those MLM cult/scams when I was younger and trusted others too much but fortunately got out soon largely because I quickly ran out of money to feed into the Beast. The Beast doesn't feed you, you feed it. Once I regained my ability to think for myself I became very angry at my upline sponsor who had lied to me to get me to join, but when I later ran into him on the street (he was still trolling for prospects, looking to "show people the plan") I saw what a broken man he had become and my anger turned into pity for him. He was still wearing the same suit jacket he wore every day because it was the only one he had and he always kept it meticulously clean because he couldn't afford to have it dry cleaned. He had quit his job, lost his house and all but abandoned his family because he had been sucked into it so deeply that he just could not bring himself to admit he was being scammed all along. Only a small select few made anything at all, by "teaching" the "training" classes and selling the "tools" and even they paid a price, for they had made a deal with the Devil to do so. You will pay your money to the MLM Beast or you pay your soul, maybe both. Sure, I get a good laugh and share Anna Banana's humor in exposing Amway on this blog but part of it is not funny, particularly the collateral damage like the suffering non Ambot spouse and the kids. MLM is evil.

    1. Ray - its possible there are some MLM's out there that aren't as abusive as Amway but generally speaking if someone gives you an MLM sales pitch run for your life! It's one thing for kids to ring the doorbell with chocolate bars they're selling to raise money for a baseball trip and its another thing to have a fucking creepy MLM bullshitter trying to sell you some overpriced shit you don't want or need. Its the same thing with the girl guide cookies. If they had a table set up in the mall and Amway ambots had a table set up in the mall, guess which group is making the most sales. And putting less effort into it. Little girls don't need to lie and scam people to buy cookies the way Amway losers need to sell a case of miracle water.

      I have no pity for the losers in our Amway upline. The way they treated us they deserve to lose money, lose their job, go into foreclosure etc because that's what they drove so many others in their downline into. And its not just us they treat badly. Abuse from the assholes in the Amway upline is well documented online as in this woman's story.

  2. One thing I don't understand. If you are fed up, why can't you just tell your stupid up-line to fuck off, and to shove his goddamned tapes and CDs up his ass?

    He may be your up-line, but he isn't your boss. And if you're not making a profit even as a Direct Distributor, what the hell do you have to lose by telling the shithead off?

    Also, you could do the same with your down-line if they were annoying and presumptuous. Tell them to take their fucking Amway business and stick it where the sun don't shine. Who the hell are they to tell you and your husband that you can't go to a movie?

    You certainly don't have to sell your home and move out of state! Just tell these fucking Amway creeps that you are done with them, and that they can drop dead for all you care.

    Amway scum expect deference and obedience. Don't give it to them. Spit in the faces and tell them you're a free-born American citizen and you can do what you like.

    1. Guessing here -- maybe the ambot would think it easier to move if their upline was their boss at work, next door neighbor or someone they see very frequently.

      If the ambot just quits buying stuff, going to meeting and basically stops the activities that generate income for the upline, I would think the upline would eventually give up.

      A cease and desist order might help. Have the upline thrown in jail. Then if another prospective bot web searches the upline's name, their see a mugshot of the upline.

    2. Anonymous - its one thing for me and you to tell the assholes in the Amway upline to fuck off. It's a different thing for people who actually like these losers to do that.

      The downline is brainwashed into obedience and if they dare disobey the Amway upline will heap the wrath of hell onto them. It is so scary watching these Amway motherfuckers in action.

      I can't tell you how many times our sack of shit Platinum or some other loser in our Amway upline would phone and berate my Ambot for one infraction or another and he just sat there with his phone stuck to his ear taking it and I'd be pissed off like you wouldn't believe because I can hear the Amway devil screeching into the phone. And then I'd say give me that fucking phone. But he never would because he knew I'd curse out the Amway bastard on the other end and then he'd probably be further up shit creek.

      And when he finally quit Amway the phone calls and text messages from the losers in his Amway upline turned vicious like you wouldn't believe.

      You and me we can tell these Amway bastards to take their fucking Amway business and stick it where the sun don't shine, but the brainwashed cult followers are too terrified to do this.

  3. Spot on!! Imagine that you and "your classmate" are preparing for a major exam. You are struggling to get an "A" in that subject, so your "classmate" presents you an idea on how to get an "A" in the exam and that is to "copy" his answers (cheating!!). You did as what he tells you and the result is that your "classmate's" answers are wrong or from a different test paper. You blamed your "classmate" and your "classmate" will just tell you that it's your fault you did not look at the test paper.

    Or during the test. You are caught for cheating and you get a failing mark. Your "Classmate" will not take any responsibility and will tell you that it's your fault for copying.

    1. Anonymous - and what you wrote brings us to another common tactic in Amway - the blame the victim scam. Yeah the assholes in your Amway upline want you to "duplicate" what they're doing. Well they ain't making money so it seems like a fool's mission to duplicate and follow or as you say copy someone else because the end result is going to be the same - failure. But the asshole in the Amway upline will never point fingers at himself. He'll blame the victim when all the victim did was copy that Amway loser. And got the same results. LOL!

  4. I am so thrilled I found your blog! Was trying to find a way to email you but I will just comment here. Last summer I was approached and told (this is the lingo used by people in Las Vegas BTW) that he met a couple who retired at 24 and 25 and after much convincing, he earned their trust and was now being mentored by this couple and being taught how to build an asset just like they did so he could retire in 2-5 years. I couldn't believe what he was telling me and honestly quite intrigued/excited to learn more. Skip a few weeks and what do you know, I attended 2 board plans where I met this "retired" couple who happen to be new Diamonds, Trevor and Lexi Baker. I had a few "meet and greets" to prove I was accountable blah, blah, blah. I originally was not keen on the idea that this had anything to do with Amway, but I figured I would just try it all out and see. My husband and I signed up and were initially motivated to see if we would make it work. It didn't take long for the constant board plans and regionals to become a complete annoyance and waste of time. I dreaded going. The next one was no different than the last. The same "plan" laid out over and over or a different couple telling their same success story telling you that you could do it too, that really anyone could! FED was dreadful...first off way too long. 3 days is insane and one of the days was literally and allllll day long thing and then a "night owl" and then you think I am going to be there again bright and early the next morning? Ha ya right. It was pretty monotonous..couple after couple, playing a slide show showing off their riches and then an emotional speech. I had high hopes that Dream Night would be something cool and different. Nope. Same thing. Videos and speeches. Nothing training wise. Nothing to help me succeed or grow. Just brainwashing to keep us some what motivated to keep paying into this thing. What really ticked me off and was really the end of it all for me was the End of the Year Kick Off. Platiums got on stage and told their stories and I cant tell you how many people said they put this business before their family...like important moments in life. One couple said they missed a big surgery for his mother that could have potentially been fatal. The whole family was at the hospital while he was at a meeting. Really!??? Another person missed the birth of their twin sisters daughter because she was at a meeting! Of course their families were ticked and they had every right to be. But the whole room was cheering these people and it made me sick!! I get wanting to be retired sooner than later but I am not sacrificing my child or important events with my family and friends. Weddings, birthdays etc. Your children are only young once and you cant get this time back. I am not going to miss my daughters birthday because some idiot thinks its more important for me to be at a function. Bull shit! That's where their values are completely fucked up. Lol sorry but it's true. They basically praise you for putting off everyone for them like you being at this board plan is really so important that I had to skip my friends wedding for...no. I gave it one more change by attending Dream Night but was utterly annoyed once again. Not only did I see my sponsor start completely morphing into Trevor Baker, the products kinda suck as well. I wont go into detail about that but ya they are nothing special at all and I would never spend as much money as I was on them then I would at a normal grocery outing. Im tired of everyone coping one another. No one is their own person. Just the same ambot duplicated over and over. "Fired up" "Love you big time" "I'm so pumped" it get old. I have no doubt that yes, some people did achieve what they did. But the lies and deception in order to do so is just something I cant do. I cant be them.

    1. Hi Anonymous. Glad you found us and thanks for sharing your story. I hope some Ambots looking for more information about the upcoming Scamway event Spring Leadership will read your story and see that its the same thing as the post we put up a couple of days ago and realize we're all saying the same thing. Nothing ever changes at Amway meetings. They say the same things. They show the same videos. OK they might be slightly different but they all have the same thing - join Amway the Cult of Greed and you can have all these material things too. And like you said the ever popular phrase - if we can do it so can you. And everyone is so fired up.

      Oh yeah missing family functions and events is standard in Amway. Is all about Amway cult leaders being control freaks and telling the downline you get your ass to this "very important" Amway meeting instead of going to your mom's funeral. And when they go to the meeting its just the same old bullshit that goes on at every Amway meeting.

      Yeah Amway is famous for promoting people who "retire" at 21 or 24 or 25 or whatever magical number before age 30. The truth is the "retiree" LOL! just switched jobs. They're no longer working for a manager at a bank or big box store but instead their new boss is an Amway cult leader. They still have to work their asses off and probably put in more hours than they did at their old job persuading their downline not to quit, not when success is right around the corner.

      As you noted most people can't keep up with the lies and deception that's all part of being inside the Amway cult. Morals and conscience take over which is why Amway reports 95% of IBO's quit within 2 years.

    2. Look at the wording of those things that Anonymous heard at the function:

      "Fired up!"
      "Love you big time!"
      "I'm so pumped!"

      In a normal context, such statements would be sexual, as in pillow talk between two lovers.

      This is why Amway is so damned sexless -- energy that should have gone into lovemaking is redirected into cheering for hyped-up bullshit at a function.

      No wonder there are all those searches for "Amway sex" and "Amway love tablets" and the like. Ambots simply don't get laid, and their wives remain unserviced. So they secretly search on the internet for some kind of acceptable substitute.

    3. Anonymous - yeah I didn't think of that. Amway is a sex substitute for Amway Ambots. Got to get their love somewhere because who else would love an Amway loser except someone else in the cult.

  5. There is a lot of complaining about the upline, and how bad they are. But the nature of the scam requires you to have a downline, or more specifically be the hated upline.

    Do you see uplines trying to train their downlines into abusing the next rank down, kind of a horrible chain of abuse?

    1. Anonymous - people are just trading one boss for another. I can tell you that at most jobs I held in the past my boss or immediate supervisor in most cases were nice, fair people. Oh sure a couple of assholes along the way, maybe good Amway candidates, but for the most part most bosses or managers want to keep their employees around because its a real pain in the ass to train new people and build a trusting relationship. A good boss wants to be encouraging and promote moral and make the workplace a comfortable environment.

      An Amway cult leader who's the boss of their downline disagrees with my way of thinking and prefers to have the downline live in fear of being punished and humiliated at the next Amway meeting for whatever bad thing they did such as buy a new toaster without getting permission from the fucking assholes in the Amway upline first.

  6. The long story that the Anonymous lady tells about her and her husband's experiences in Amway is both scary and deeply moving.

    It's scary because it shows how really horrible and bizarre the entire Amway mentality is, and how unpleasant the people in Amway can be.

    It's moving because of the courage that Anonymous and her husband showed by getting out of the cult and away from its sick members. And I was cheered by her on-the-mark comments about how sickened she was with the way in which Ambots totally disregard family obligations. "Functions" always outweigh "families" in Amway.

    1. Anonymous - the Amway cult is very scary and everyone who gets their story out there can hopefully help someone else make a decision to stay away from this freak show.

      The people I met in Amway were the most arrogant fucking asshole losers that I've ever met in my life. They're nasty. They're vicious. Evil in every form. Does Amway attract these kinds of personalities. Or are they transformed into Ambot demons after getting onboard with Amway. That's the real puzzle.

  7. I'm so sorry all of you had horrible experiences. I just geniunely wish the best for everyone and appreciate the vulnerability and am glad you all have each other to connect with. So, this is an analogy I have. The social aspect can be good for people, and clearly by what I have read, the social aspect can be damaging. My mother is a hardcore Christian. As a lesbian, I find christianity damaging to me emotionally. Who the hell wants to be a part of a group that would put you down for who you authentically are!?!? Well, it's good and builds my Mama so I'm happy for her. I've seen some really cool people that are a part of World Wide Group that genuinely care. But to hear these stories breaks my heart. I hope you all find the peace and happiness your full hearts desire. If it's not in Amway, clearly it's not- I hope you are by now living it, or that you find it soon. I had to break away from life that I felt people were brain washed in, it's a feet to accomplish to breakaway. So congratulations on breaking away from the crowd when it was hard. If you lost friends along the way for breaking away, fuck them. People who genuinely care will always be there for you. No "pillow talk"- just a hippie chick within my heart, all love and abundance is what I hope for all of you. Truly.

    1. Anonymous - I am sorry to hear you're living in a situation that damages you emotionally because of who you are. You shouldn't have to live like that.

      You are totally wrong that Amway and the World Wide Group genuinely care for you. What you're on the receiving end is a common cult tactic.
      It's called love bombing. And they do it because they want something from you - your money. They'll take money from anyone but when it comes to promoting within the ranks, there is no way in hell that WWDB or Amway will ever let anyone who is gay or lesbian reach any significant level within their cult. I can't tell you how many WWDB meetings where the cult leader bitched about gay marriages becoming legal. Its just very uncomfortable being around close-minded people like that and listening to them spout off their bullshit and rants about the LGBQT community.

      Amway donates heavily to a charity called Focus on the Family. Good tax deduction I guess. Check them out. They are all about what their definition of "traditional family" is. That means a married man/woman and children.

      You will be forever discriminated against by Amway Ambots. There was a gay man in our group who had to go to "counselling" sessions with the Amway cult leaders to try to straighten him out if you'll forgive the pun.

      You can't make somebody be something that they're not genetically programmed to be but that won't stop those bastards. Do you really want to go to counselling sessions telling you to stop being who you are and to hook up with a man? That's going to happen the longer you stay inside this evil cult.

      And when you said people who genuinely care for you will always be there for you well that won't be people in Amway. When you stop buying shitty overpriced Amway products and stop going to Amway cult meetings and stop the flow of money up the pyramid, those phony ass friends will dump you fast and viciously attack you. Because that's what those evil bastards do.

      Start asking questions about how many gay people have reached Diamond in Amway? Or even Platinum. Amway will not let you get ahead because you do not represent their traditional family values.

    2. Anna Banana, you replied quick! I hope other gay people see this. To clarify, I'm no longer a part of the christian system and have broken away from it. I have found a lot of peace in Buddhism. You are right, there are no gay published Diamonds I'm aware of. However, I know of a few gay Platinums.

    3. Amazing how that sometimes happens. I'm actually pretty busy this week. If you've found peace in Buddhism, you won't do well worshipping the Great Amway God. Amway will not bring you peace. I don't know of any gay Platinums. Not saying there aren't any but that's a low level position anyway. The next level up Emerald makes about $2-$3,000/month if they have about 1000 in their downline. Platinum won't make as much as Emerald and probably still has losses. Low level commissioned sales rep probably can't cling to that level for long.


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If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:
1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.
2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.
3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.
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