Thursday, November 30, 2017

10 Warning Signs Of A Dangerous Amway Leader

This is an excerpt from the Rick Ross web site. The original can be found here. 
This page is worth a read. In addition to warning signs of a leader it includes a list of warning signs that people might be involved with a dangerous leader. Interestingly there is also a list of 10 signs of a safe leader. Ha ha! Nothing on the safe list can be said about our former sack of shit Platinum! He’s the complete opposite!

Anyway Rick Ross’s list is called Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader but it could just as aptly be named Ten warning signs of a dangerous Amway leader. The comments in black are Rick Ross’s warning signs. The comments in red are mine. Get it. Red is a color warning of danger.
  1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. This was mostly clear to me from our sack of shit Platinum who we heard speak more than we heard any other speaker, Emerald or Diamond. He demanded everyone in his downline to “ask permission” before doing anything. Constantly telling us to “submit to upline” and never question upline.
  2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. “Never question upline! Who do you think you are asking me something like that! Everything I say is the truth!”
  3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. The sack of shit never showed us his budget, his profit and loss statement, tax returns, etc. though he wanted to see all of ours.
  4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. All the time! What else is out there except Amway? The answer to everyone’s prayers. Financial security for the rest of your life. Everyone else is doomed to have a J.O.B. and work for someone else. Nothing but negativity at Amway meetings with all the talk of doom and gloom and businesses shutting down and social security won’t be there when you retire, etc.
  5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. The ones who leave are quitters, losers, broke losers, negative, dream stealers, etc. Nothing but insults for those who have quit Amway and current IBO’s are not allowed to associate with them anymore.
  6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. Our stories are all over the Internet. They’re all the same story: upline abuse, brainwashing, financial losses, house foreclosures, bankruptcy, emotional distress, destroyed marriages, alienation from friends and family.....
  7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. Again all over the Internet are blogs written by former IBO’s. NBC Dateline did an expose. Many former Amway cult followers have written books. Abuse from the upline and lives that have been destroyed by Amway is well documented.
  8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough". A good example of this was the attempt our WWDB group made to sell Amway items for Christmas and rented a community hall for the event. Ambot had several friends show up and one person made purchases. Ambot had the only sale there all day and was rather pleased with himself. When it was over the Platinum highlighted Ambot who was expecting praise but instead he was criticized that only one of his friends purchased Amway products and that meant they weren’t his true friends. It was a constant cycle of abuse where the Platinum would punish, scold and berate and then say “but we still love you”.
  9. The group/leader is always right. The sack of shit Platinum is always right. Pompous son of a bitch even told us once that his wife never wins an argument with him because he is always right. Oh gee, one of the top criteria for a happy marriage. According to Amway cult leaders that is.
  10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. Its all about information control. Our Platinum wanted to control the information the IBO’s received. Cult followers are brainwashed to believe the Platinum is always telling the truth. He gave his version of the news and told IBO’s not to listen to the news or read the Internet because it was wrong and could not be trusted whereas he would always tell the truth. Discrediting an information source is easier for the Platinum than debating the truth. By controlling the information the Platinum removes the IBO’s ability to think for themselves. Sleep deprivation also helps the cult leader in the brainwashing. Keeping IBO’s up to 1 or 2 or 3 in the morning and they are so tired that they’re willing to agree everything they hear at that hour is the truth.
Of course we can see it now. I’d say I saw this within a month of knowing the Platinum and getting involved in Amway. Too bad for the bastard that I wouldn’t drink the kool aid. Like we need any further proof that Amway leaders used cult techniques to brainwash their downline.

And then these same cult leaders claim Amway is not a cult. Deny, deny, deny. Lie, lie, lie. That’s the secret to success in Amway.

I’ll just send out another big old fuck you to everyone in our upline.


  1. Anna, it sounds like this Platinum of yours was a real piece of shit. How about telling us the guy's name? Let's really give him some embarrassment!

    All you have to say is "In Amway, my Platinum's name was__________." There's nothing libelous about that. It's public information.

    Let the world know who this lying scumbag is.

    1. Anonymous - well its really fucking embarrassing to admit you're in or used to be in Amway so we don't mention names without permission of low level Ambots and I doubt that motherfucker would agree even if I knew how to contact him. Amway's owners and Diamonds are another story. NO different than you and most others post anonymously.

  2. All of those characteristics are also present in political dictatorships of the left, and also in fascism.

    No one could question the views of Stalin. If you did, you were arrested and executed. If you broke with him publicly (like Trotsky did), you were hunted down and assassinated.

    Fidel Castro arrested anyone who did not support his Communist regime, and sent thousands into exile in Florida. All criticism of the Castro regime was forbidden.

    In Fascist Italy, the government promoted the following statement:

    MUSSOLINI HA SEMPRE RAGIONE! (Mussolini is always right!)

    How is this different from Amway, where you are told "Never question up-line"?

    When push comes to shove, Amway isn't "the American Way." Amway is anti-freedom, and anti-free choice. It is a psychological dictatorship, as was described by George Orwell in his book 1984.

    1. Anonymous - I'd say so in countries run by dictators. Hell to pay if you disagree with the leader including death.

      Mussolini should remember that when he was strung up by the ankles!

  3. I never heard of Rick Ross before but this is an excellent primer on spotting manipulative dangerous cults, not just the Amway cult. Along with some humorous comments on the latter.

    1. Ray - I'd never heard of him either until doing more research about the Amway cult and he's all over and done interviews. Glad you enjoyed the comments!

  4. We researched a lot and when we sat down with the "mentors" from the world wide group, my husband asked a simple "Do you know how many IBOs there is in North America " and the guy got extremely mad, rude, and defensive against such a simple question.
    My husband was going to point out that less then 1% make it to diamond to whatever. Basically 70 people out of 700000 IBOs. (This is based on my husbands findings and math so dont quote me.) They said they "don't talk facts"
    Are you FUCKING kidding me.

    They want to meet with us again Thursday. I'm not wasting the gas.

    1. Hi Anonymous. And if you spend any time with these Amway losers and ask them "tough" questions they get extremely angry. If you're an Ambot you'll be scolded to "never question upline!!!"

      When it comes to Amway the facts don't matter. Don't confuse an Ambot with the facts.

      They're all a bunch of lying scamming losers who'll fuck you over just to make a buck.

      You should do like most people do and tell that Amway loser you're coming on Thursday and then be a no show. It'll be more productive if you stayed home and watched cartoons instead of going to an Amway cult meeting.

    2. A big line of all these cults is "if the dream is big enough, facts don't matter". What the hell does that even mean?

      The reason they don't like facts is because facts include math and common sense that works AGAINST the lies they are pushing.


    3. Dave - just more Amway bullshit propaganda.

      My dream is to keep a pet fire breathing dragon in my backyard. Any dreamstealers out there gonna break the facts to me?


Comments are moderated but we publish just about everything. Even brainwashed ambots who show up here to accuse us of not trying hard enough and that we are lazy, quitters, negative, unchristian dreamstealers. Like we haven’t heard that Amspeak abuse from the assholes in our upline!

If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:
1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.
2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.
3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.
4. Gossip that serves no purpose. There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why they’re getting divorced. If you absolutely must share that here – don’t name names. I get too many nosy ambots searching for this. Lets not help them find this shit.
5. Posting something creepy anonymously and we can’t track your location because you’re on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. I attracted an obsessed fan and one of my blog administrators attracted a cyberstalker. Lets keep it safe for everyone. Anonymous is OK. Creepy anonymous and hiding – go fuck yourselves!
6. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.
7. Posting bullshit Amway propaganda. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. Otherwise take your agenda somewhere else. Not interested.
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