My story of what its like to be married to an Amway cult follower. I expose the lies that our upline told and what happens at Amway meetings and functions. I leave the explanations of why Amway is a poor business opportunity or the tool scam to other bloggers. This blog mainly exists to curse out my former upline, aka the cult leaders, and to let everyone know what kind of idiots I had to put up with. Feel free to join in or live vicariously!
Monday, September 9, 2019
Amway WWDB Free Enterprise Days FED 2019
WWDB and Amway are holding Free Enterprise Days FED 2019 probably in October in Portland Oregon like they usually do but I don’t know for sure. Most cults are very secretive about their creepy activities and Amway and World Wide Dream Builders are no different with the secrecy and creepiness. Especially since the World Wide Destructive Bastards changed their passwords so outsiders can’t check the calendar and mock them. Amway Ambots behave badly at these brainwashing conferences and Amway gets banned from holding any more functions in some places. In the past Portland Oregon has been an Amway hot spot for brainwashing seminars. If anyone knows where Free Enterprise Days 2019 is getting crammed into this year, let us know. Probably a hotel meeting room or high school auditorium because attendance to Amway functions is dwindling. In the past they’ve also held FED in Denver Colorado but that dropped off a few years ago. Amway cult activities are top secret no different than any other cult that doesn’t want outsiders to know more about the bullshit they’re pulling off. FED is usually held in October but a few years ago someone at World Wide Dream Builders fucked up and didn’t book the convention center in time and it was held in November. Due to declining attendance they may have booked a smaller facility than the usual convention center. I’m sure someone who has an Ambot in their life will show up with the details.
Tickets to FED used to cost $125 but a commenter last year said its around $150 now. Gotta make them Diamonds richer while the downline Ambots get poorer! And just in case anyone out there is living under a rock – the bulk of Amway Diamonds income is from ticket sales to functions like this. Its all part of the Amway tool scam.
So another post where I use some key words to draw in IBO's who are desperately searching on the Internet for more information about FED because no one tells them nothing useful at Amway meetings.
If you don't live within an hour or so drive of where the Amway function is being held add on your transportation costs, hotel, and restaurants for 3 days. Or more if you're a keener and get there a day or two early. Budget at least $1000 if you're driving. $2000 if you're flying/renting a car. That's per couple.
What happens at FED? Besides getting FED up with all the Amway brainwashing bullshit. Gee actually that just about covers it!
Friday night is one of these rah rah patriotic ceremonies with various branches of the military represented. The type of stuff that might look wonderful at other events but at an Amway function is fucking creepy. Its nice to recognize the men and women who serve our country but the fanfare is just all wrong at an Amway brainwashing convention. Listening to a bunch of rah rah Diamond speakers getting the crowd fired up for the weekend with promises of all the great things they're going to be taking away from the Amway WWDB function. Probably starts around 7 or 8pm and goes on till 11pm or so.
But don't you dare think the night is over! The fucking assholes in your Amway upline are gonna want to do night owls and all the obedient little ambots better haul ass to the designated meeting place and be prepared to stay there for a few hours. The cult leaders know the best way to brainwash their cult followers is to keep them tired so they'll be easier to brainwash cause they'll agree to anything.
Then the serious bullshitting sessions start on Saturday morning. And they go on and on and on and on until 11pm or so that night. There is a dinner break for a couple of hours. Good little ambots better not dare leave their seats for any reason and miss very important (LOL) information that is being shared.
And just what is this very important information that ambots must devote to memory? Its one Ken and Barbie Ambot after another strutting across the stage in evening wear like they got invited to a Presidents gala at the White House or something. They all have the same stories about how they used to work shitty minimum wage jobs until a very dear friend showed them the Amway business plan and now they're bazillionaires and travel first class all over the world and when they're at home in their mansion that they've built out in the boonies somewhere they entertain important people and show off their garage full of luxury sport cars.
Even though midnight is closing in after the day's bullshit session is over ambots can't think of going to bed because some asshole in their Amway upline has demanded their presence at another fucking night owl.
Sunday morning is a day to sleep in if the ambot is lucky. But more than likely the upline assholes will be pressuring the ambots to attend the Amway church service and get preached at by some Diamond who makes extra money doing this when he passes the hat around to the ambot congregation. Got to bleed the Ambots dry!
Sunday afternoon is more of the same from the day before. No real teaching or training. No useful information. Just Diamonds bragging about worldly possessions that they can afford thanks to Amway. Or maybe that's pretend to afford thanks to credit cards and bank loans.
The weekend of Amway hell is usually over around 5pm. Maybe. Unless you're traveling home with other ambots who will torture you for a few more hours about how they're “going big” in “the business”.
So there you have it. No need to waste your time or money going to FED. Its just another WWDB social gathering for Amway ambots to worship their cult leaders.
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All of these WWDB-Amway weekend seminars are complete bullshit. You'll spend a fortune on tickets and travel and meals and lodging, and you won't learn a goddamned thing about improving your business.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - that sums it up. The IRS also recognizes these "conferences" are nothing more than social gatherings and Ambots don't increase their sales by attending. Too many Amway Ambot audits! LOL! None of the Amway functions have any real training how to increase sales or sign up suckers to your downline. It's just a brag show by the Amway cult leaders.
DeleteFYI, Ambot wife is flying to Denver for a WWDB rah rah conference the last weekend in October. This will be her second time in Denver this year, in addition to Ft Lauderdale. Although I hate talking anything Ambot with her because it has ruined our marriage, I will try to get some additional details.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Thanks for the info. Amway has held brainwashing conferences in both these cities in the past.
DeleteSorry to hear about your wife. You say in the message below she's been sucked into the Amway scam for 3 years. First of all to you way to go hanging in there that long while Amway destroys your marriage and your life. Most people quit ScAmway after a few months and 95% within 2 years. She's been an Ambot for over 2 years and you should start thinking about an exit plan for your own sanity. How much emotional and financial distress will you allow Amway to infect you further?
Ambot wife heading to Denver last weekend in October for another money-wasting rah rah WWDB conference. Though I hate discussing anything Ambot with her because it has been the worst three years of our married lives together, and we always fight about, I will try to get some details.
ReplyDeleteSorry about the double post. Didn't think the first one went through. Already developing an exit strategy. Ambot wife called in sick to her real job today but has been camping out at the local Starbucks all afternoon looking for prey. So sad. So naive. I asked her what she is going to do when this doesn't give her the riches she has been promised by her upline. She said, "Well, at least I have met some amazing people and lifelong friends, and I will continue to buy their amazing products from my store." What a sucker.��
ReplyDeleteHey no problem Anonymous. Not quite double. The 2nd post had a bit more info! Marriages are hard enough without dealing with a money stealing cult as part of it.
DeleteYour wife is hardly the first person to phone in sick when they're not. But phoning in sick to carry out Amway cult activities? I have two takeaways. People who go in to Starbucks or any other restaurant don't want to be bugged by an Amway loser. And one way or another your wife isn't going to be employed much longer.
Real business owners don't camp out at Starbucks to lure clients. We advertise. We network at business events. We rely on word or mouth referrals. We don't piss off people! We don't disrupt other businesses!
The lifelong friends are long gone once you leave the Amway cult or when they leave the Amway cult. Gone. Most people don't keep buying Amway's "amazing" LOL products once they get out of the cult of greed. I'm sorry about your situation. I know what's it like to be powerless against a bunch of fucking Amway losers once they've got their brainwashing hooks in.
Good luck with this.
It doesn't sound as though much has changed in 20 years. We were in from 1997-1999 (INA, West Coast) and faithfully attended every major and local function for those 3 years.
ReplyDeleteThere was mention in an earlier post about "the company" providing accounting services. Sure they will-- yours and your downline monthly PV/BV and bonus checks. You want to keep track of your "real" business expenses-- travel, tools, etc.-- you do it yourself.
I'm enjoying your site very much. But I am going to share with you three positives that came out of my all-too-typical money-losing experience with Amway.
1. Education in the school of hard knocks. No classroom, no professor, no curriculum can possibly match the real-world experience of going into strangers' homes and showing "The Plan." You learn to do this without fear, you can do ANYTHING! When you are confronted eye-to-eye by the 6'3" boyfriend of your prospect, who says, "If I think you're scammin' my girl, I'm'a drag you out on the front lawn and kick your ass," -- and you end up sponsoring them both!-- after that you can stand up in front of a crowd of a thousand people and do a professional presentation with no fear.
Less than a year after leaving the business, I took a job in professional presales that boosted my income by 40%, and I was successful at it. This was nothing compared to Amway!
2. The business, as originally conceived, can indeed provide you with a steady residual second income. But YOU MUST SELL PRODUCTS, and so must your downline. I can't count the number of times I heard a Diamond or Emerald say, "Shoot, all you gotta do is buy from your own store, show others how to do the same, and you can retire in three to five years." That is bullshit. Our LOS constantly talked about "duplication": "Your downline will hear what you say, but they'll DO what you DO." How true! And unless you are making a profit, even a small one, on retail products every month, you are duplicating a money-losing business. You have to move enough product at retail to cover ALL your expenses or you are losing money! The failure to emphasize sales-- heck, the word "sales" is mentioned even less than the word "Amway" at functions-- has killed this business. The genius of the original model is that even a small retail profit can and will multiply into a much larger steady income IF your downline retails like you do.
3. Our upline LOS was always supportive, we never took any abuse or were called "losers" by them even though we struggled and never got above 600PV. Some remain our friends to this day. All have either abandoned the business or started additional businesses or taken jobs (even the Diamonds).
To sum it up. We lost money. We were disillusioned by the "tools" scam. We were never taught to retail and build a profitable business. We saw evidence of corruption and conflict of interest at the top leadership level. But overall the experience was positive. The personal growth was worth the money we lost.
Hi Malbuff. Thanks for stopping to tell us about your time in Amway! Nothing ever changes in Amway except for the faces and the prices going up.
DeleteI'm not familiar with your Amway cult sect but every now and then someone stops by and says they're in one of these offshoot groups that were probably founded by a Diamond who lost their level but didn't want to give up the proceeds from the tool scam. A couple of these people have said their groups weren't very active like no Amway cult meetings and the upline weren't abusive. The Amway cult sect we were in WWDB is about the worst one for abuse. Though BWW and LTD are abusive as well. The smaller cult sects maybe not so much cause they don't want to lose what they have.
Most education comes at a price. The cost of being in Amway educates you not to get involved with another pryamid scheme, cult, or MLM scam.
If it was possible to sell Amway products for a side income then as Amway was originally conceived then maybe. The reality is most Ambots can't sell Amway's shitty overpriced products to anyone. The Ambot might get a couple of pity sales from friends and relatives but people know they can buy better products at lower prices at grocery stores and Walmart and Costco so that's where they go. Amway inflates their prices so everyone upline can make commission on each and the owners make a big profit too. Less than 5% of Amway's products are sold to people who aren't registered IBOs.
I appreciate Malbuff's balanced comment, I'm in a similar situation as the previous comment, my kinda-ambot wife is going in October and I absolutely detest her involvement in it, (I was tolerant the first year or so) but she is not very overbearing with it and I think she at least breaks even excluding the hundreds spent on travel and accommodation for these events. I think its a huge waste of time that we could otherwise spend as a family or on more meaningful activities and I think she would make a killing trying to sell more reasonably priced products of equal or better quality otherwise without the cultlike BS. I initially went to a few functions and couldnt understand how people can sit for hours listening to the same stories over and over from obviously scripted / charismatic speakers. I cant say enough of how frustrated I am with this "business". Once they latch on to you they create a environment that keeps you in by playing on either your ambition/greed, your emotions and also try to guilt you into keeping a commitment they basically forced you into and then the lovebombing, its so hard to decipher if these people are genuine and just brainwashed or are they complete hypocrites. I Wish I were the type to not care about spewing BS and telling people everything they want to hear to get a better life take care of their family enhance their marriage blah blah..knowing full well that only a very few even make any money to speak about, it simply doesnt make any sense to me based on the probability for success and what you have to do to make real money. I'm just Ranting / Venting forgive me I could go on for way more and excuse the typos
DeleteHi Anonymous. I'm glad you found us. By sharing our stories we hope to help others from making the same mistake of signing up to ScAmway and provide support for those who are suffering watching their husband/wife/child/friend getting sucked dry by this cult.
DeleteIt sounds like you're enabling your wife. Would she be able to afford spending hundreds of dollars a month on the Amway pyramid scheme if you weren't covering the majority of household bills and providing childcare if you have small kids that is.
You have a very good understanding of what Amway is all about. It's a bunch of charismatic cult leaders who all tell very similar rags to riches stories to suck in gullible people who can probably least afford to lose money. Amway Ambots prey on the poor and disadvantaged and suck them dry.
Are you keeping a profit and loss statement of her Amway activities? That's forbidden by the Amway cult leaders because then the Ambot will figure out how much money they're losing. Amway cult leaders count on downline who have no business sense and would never be able to run their own business. So you start keeping track of her expenses so you can show her how much money she's losing. Then tell her to put together a business plan and you'll make an appointment with a lender at your bank so she can apply for a small business loan. LOL! We all know how well that will go once she starts drawing circles about how rich everyone's gonna be. Sometimes it needs a disinterested third party to knock sense into a brainwashed Amway Ambot.
Some of these jerks don't even take their own advice for random reasons. Some Ambot also mentioned about business loan lessons are funny when taught in colleges. I don't see what's funny about it? I think they just try to make fun of education because they're in Amway!
DeleteAnonymous - its' very obvious that Amway don't take their own advice. They show up here screeching at us to do our research. Well if they'd have done their research they wouldn't have joined the Amway cult LOL!
DeleteIt's amazing that Amway insists members may not keep a profit and loss statement, and that this isn't a red flag for prospective recruits.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - that's the difference between being a real business owner and playing a game of make belief and being a pretend business owner.
DeleteTry asking for their official business profit and loss list then maybe people might believe them. I also probably would want to ask for their business card and location of what ever they're running with. Any simple questions they can answer and I bet they "sure" will.
DeleteOh yeah Anonymous there's all kinds of things you can ask an Amway loser to see like their business license or tax number or business insurance - you know the kind of things that real business owners can probably produce!
DeleteInstead they go after those people who can harm their cult mentality and become jackasses. They blame us for being negative without seeing they're the ones with the problem first and usually are the ones to start trouble.
DeleteAmway losers don't see the irony in this blog. The way Amway Ambots treat the rest of the world, that's the same we treat Ambots. Right back at you Amway losers!
DeleteAmway fed is going to be at the Baltimore event center in Baltimore MD from October 11 to October 13
ReplyDeleteThanks for the update Anonymous. Sounds like more money funneling up to the Amway cult leaders bank accounts thanks to Maryland!
DeleteI'll bet a lot of those Amway jerk-offs in Baltimore are reading this website right now.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous those Amway jerk-offs in Baltimore couldn't handle the truth where everyone on this blog shares their real life true Amway experiences. The only truth Ambots know is what is preached by the Amway cult leaders. Everyone with a different opinion is a negative unchristian dreamstealer. According to an Amway loser that is!
DeleteThey're actually the jealous ones when they said something about dream stealer it's saying that they don't have something that you have. They're just trying to get into a very toxic competition to copy what you like and be "better" when clearly they know they're just mocking what you enjoy. Like when I play one of my favorite hobbies then they do it too. They clearly don't enjoy doing it or pretend they do enjoy it "now" but when it was before that they don't in the first place. They wear fake masks to sucker people in and rush relationships to use you later.
DeleteSome of these Ambots or jerks who read this page would probably know about how we try to avoid such people only to use our feed backs to hide more about their BS. I know an idiot that loves to be a parrot when said person read on this page! Well I guess if Amway still exist then so does this website!
DeleteAnonymous - Amway losers are jealous of things that other people don't have. This becomes a real problem if you're in the Amway cult and you own a house or a nice car and the assholes in your Amway upline don't own these things. As part of their mission to destroy your life the Amway cult leaders counsel with you to sell these things.
DeleteThey destroy themselves for being idiots...
DeleteI think some of the Ambots got offended when they read this. If they're mad at me for bringing up the bad stuff in this very reply box and defends them in anyway personally then they're deserve to feel that way. Some of their friends don't ever learn to take a shower. If they try to insult me by showing their musty armpits walking half naked then it's on them. Having a stinky armpit is bad just like Amway. I forgot to mention it's the guy that hit his wife. It's a good thing I'm away from that nut case who has ego problems too. If the Ambot I know visit me then I'll let you know whatever the person does.
DeleteAnonymous - only some? All Ambots are furious when they show up here and read our true stores of what it's really like inside the Amway cult! They're furious because their dirty little secrets are out there about the financial and emotional distress that Amway brings to your lives. If potential recruits are doing their research even though Amway cult leaders tell them not to believe anything they read online - they'll stay the hell away from ScAmway. Nobody needs this Amway shit destroying their lives. When we share our stories on the Internet we hope to save others from making the same mistake. This makes it harder for Amway losers to sign up people in their downline. It also cuts into Amway's profits. We are making a difference!
DeleteI said some if they're the ones that haven't yet got too far in with the brainwashing and manage to get the hell out of it. We could agree with the All Ambots if they stayed in like what? 4-5 years of bullshit!
DeleteAmway actually hates free speech, even though they pretend to be patriotic Americans. If they had the power, they'd shut down every single anti-Amway and anti-MLM website.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - oh yes Amway and their Ambots HATE free speech. Instead of going all over the Internet leaving comments bitching about websites like this they'd all be so much happier moving to a communist or fascist country and living where speech is controlled.
DeleteSo true.... I've been with an Ambot that started out as an immigrant and pretends he cares about US Citizens but it turns out he doesn't really cared about our laws or government even though he uses them very likely. I mean at this point he probably wouldn't want to use a driver license issued by the states if he doesn't give a shit about laws. They all sounded like something like that recently out from China just a few weeks ago am I right?
DeleteAnonymous - these Amway losers feel the only law they are governed by is issued by the Great Amway God. They constantly say this and that is or is not the law. It's how they want it to be, not how it really is in the real world. Just like the Ambot you know. He likes our laws as long as they suit him for whatever he's doing but the rest of them time he wants the Government Of Amway. LOL!
DeleteOne of the biggest lies that Amway freaks spread is the idiotic idea that we at the anti-Amway or anti-MLM websites are "not allowed" to say what we want until we have "done the proper research about Amway."
ReplyDeleteWhat they really mean by that bullshit is this: "You aren't allowed to talk about Amway until you have been properly brainwashed and drilled in rote responses by the propaganda division of Amway. You have to attend a lot of our meetings and listen to a lot of our Platinums and Emeralds."
When Ambots tell us to "get educated," they are really saying "get brainwashed by Amway propaganda and fake enthusiasm."
I have never met anyone in Amway who knew how to make a coherent, logical argument. All they can do is make emotional pleas and give you stupid slogans about "pro-suming" and "empowerment" and "leadership." It's all pure unadulterated bullshit.
Amway puts out a long line of products. But its biggest product is bullshit.
Yeah I'd say so Anonymous. These Amway losers who screech at us that we haven't done the research discount our personal experiences inside the Amway cult and using and consuming shitty Amway products. Like personal experiences aren't good enough research!? Just cause we're not brainwashed Amway losers and are free thinkers Ambots say we're not allowed to talk about Amway and we should take down our blogs. Yup lets just send another big old fuck you out to hose Amway losers!
DeleteCompletely true!! They hate it so much that would pay for people to mess with people who dislike Amway on this page. It's telling they're just desperate! I mean I don't care if they pay people to try to fuck with me I'm still going to speak my mind on this matter because... America! So fuck those communist or fascist country minded people thinking I would or any of you all would stop!
DeleteYup around here we love doing things that Amway losers hate!
DeleteIt's called sharing our real experience about what it's really like in Amway!
Fuck Amway! And fuck their army of Ambots who are out to destroy other people's lives.
I work by the 1stBank Center in Broomfield, CO. Today there were a bunch of people dressed up so I'm not sure if it's them. The WWDB event held here last spring did not have the turnout that previous years have had. Thank goodness because they take all of our parking where they aren't supposed to and patrons of the local businesses couldn't find a place to park.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. It probably was an Amway brainwashing conference. Ambots are forced to play dress up to attend. Where else but "your own Amway business" do you have to take orders from some fucking asshole in the Amway upline. Real business owners can decide on their own dress code.
DeleteYeah Amway Ambots are the most arrogant inconsiderate bastards around so I can see them taking up parking spots wherever they want. Just because they're inside the Amway cult these Ambots have a sense of entitlement and the arrogant attitude that they're better than everyone else.
It definitely was. If anybody is ever wondering where they hold their Denver events, they're at 1st Bank Center in Broomfield.
DeleteHi Anonymous. Thanks for the update! I don't think that's where Amway held FED in the past. So 1st Bank Center in Broomfield must be a smaller arena.
DeleteI only heard of FED when I stumbled upon this blog. Dreambuilders leadership training has been held there for the past 4 years for sure.
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DeleteI'm sure most people who are not brainwashed Amway Ambots and believe every lie out there know that you can't buy insurance after the fact.
Good grief -- we're being inundated by these Indian scammers.
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