Contrary to brainwashed ambot opinion, I am not consumed with others who are pursuing something better.
I am consumed with letting other people know how I feel about the assholes in our Amway upline.
I’ve been accused of knocking down business owners because I’m too lazy to pursue it myself? Yeah right I’m a lazy business owner. I bet there are many IBO’s out there who wished they could have my kind of lazy in the form of a 6 figure income. If I wasn’t so lazy I could probably be in the 7 figures! Ha ha!!!
The only Amway “business owners” that I knock down are the fucking assholes in my upline. I knock them down because they’re fucking assholes not because they “own” a business or are trying to make a better life for themselves. If they think Amway is the answer to their prayers and the path to financial freedom that’s their problem. Read the small print!
Brainwashed IBO's are the biggest judgmental people around. Some show up accidentally or on purpose at anti-Amway blogs and accuse the blogger of judging others! Ha! Look in the mirror! Most of us have agendas and its gone nothing to do with you personally. If we can help some IBO's find the strength to leave Amway then that's a good thing. Personally I don't care if an IBO chooses to turn a blind eye to the horrors I went through thanks to our fucking upline brainwashing my husband. Its my story and I'll tell it how I want. If you don't like to hear about the anguish I went through in Amway hell then don't come here and read my blog.
I also love how brainwashed ambots accuse legitimate business owners of being lazy but those brainwashed ambots are too lazy to become real business owners instead of throwing away their money on a pretend business. They pin their shaky future on Amway with a less than 1% chance of making a profit. Love it!
If these horrified IBO's come back to my blog I hope you one day they will know what it is like to be a successful business owner. Its wonderful running a legitimate business setting your own hours, deciding on your own policies, making your own prices, deciding what you’ll wear in the morning, deciding when and how long to take vacations. Go to your library and check out books about starting your own business and get some ideas. There are many business you can get into that have low start up and operating costs. You’ll probably be investing less money than you do in Amway.
You ambots need to get rid of your negative attitude towards people who are not involved in Amway and that might require counselling because of how the cult has brainwashed you. You need to understand that there is nothing wrong with people who have jobs. Likewise there is nothing wrong with people who own their own businesses that are not Amway businesses. You ambots can not expect to be successful in Amway or anything else when you’re busy sneering at people and looking down your nose at them just because they’re not associated with Amway. Once you get that through your head you might be open to receiving genuine information on running a legitimate business. Good luck to you.
Amway and our asshole upline are no longer hurting me and my husband. Now its my time to turn the tables by blogging about our awful Amway experience and the upline abuse.
My best friend dropped off the face of the earth for 5 months after a terrible break up with his boyfriend and came back an ambot. It is by far the most awkward thing I have ever experienced. After the 5 months, we finally meet up and he can do nothing but talk about Amway - and questions what my dreams are and etc - mostly everything you've stated. Finally out of the blue I told him to stop and I bluntly asked "How many friends do you have left outside of Amway." There was a bit of silence to which he said "None, now, I'm sad that way. But all my "friends" that I did have did nothing but contribute negativity to my life." I'm sitting across him as a friend of 9 years, who has been through every possible life event with him- including coming out of the closet. I know I had a look on my face of disbelief and shock - since he's the one that asked me to sit down and talk and "fix things" between us. He then proceeded to tell me that I can fix the negativity in my life by coming to a meeting with him, meeting the people that contribute to his life with positivity.
ReplyDeleteI really know the bare bones about Amway, I won't deny it. But I sat there and thought what the fuck is going on, he was trying to shove it down my throat. He was still going on about it and all I could hear was blah blah blah. Finally I told him he was wasting his time that no matter what he said, I still wasn't going to join. He was like fine you can just come to a meeting to support me or you know you can buy products from me, we have everything that anyone could want. I gave up and declared that I needed to go the bathroom. As I was getting up he said, "we even sell toilet paper." We got the check, he paid with his Amway credit card, I gave him cash for the dinner. . .
We walked to the train I changed the subject to more personal matters, how was his family, he said fine, but his brother was annoyed with him, I asked why - Amway? He was like yeah. His accounts of his life outside of Amway were barebones. I felt sad for him. He said he's doing it as a means to an end - he eventually wants to open up his own theatre, but when he shuns himself away from all of the people he needs to make contacts with.
When we got to the train, I brushed of a hug and said have a nice walk home. He later texted me and said sorry that he was talking so much about Amway, but he was so excited he wanted me to be excited for him. I told him whatever - I didn't really care. I shouldn't be in his life because I have negativity in my life, and I don't mind it, it makes me a better person. Then he started sending me motivational quotes about how negativity doesn't make you productive, it makes you successful. I retorted with a quote “The most important thing in life is to learn how to give out love, and to let it come in. Let it come in. We think we don’t deserve love, we think if we let it in we’ll become too soft. But a wise man named Levin said it right. He said, “Love is the only rational act.” - Tuesdays with Morrie (Mitch Albom)
I've yet to hear back from him.
Hi Anonymous. Thanks for stopping by my blog. I'm sorry to hear what has happened with your friend. Amway is a cult and the followers eat sleep dream and talk about Amway all the time. Their upline cult leaders brainwash them to reject any friends and family who will not join up with Amway or buy their overpriced shit.
DeleteIn other words what you have described is very normal and a story I've seen countless times on the Internet.
Now this may or may not come as comfort to you but Amway upline will not allow gay people to get ahead in this business. Like they had much chance anyway in a business with a 99% failure rate. They won't come out and openly discriminate against gays because the upline wants their money and help making them richer. Next time ask your friend to name anyone in Amway who has reached Diamond and is gay. And being gay and being married to a woman to hide it does not count! I mean openly gay with a same sex partner. Then go down the line. Name an Emerald or name a Platinum. He might need his upline's help finding these elusive answers.
He will most likely quit Amway sometime in the next year when he realizes all his credit cards are maxed out and there's no money in the bank account and he's losing money. The law of averages is on your side. 95% quit within 2 years. Just wait him out and you sound like a very nice person who will be waiting to be friends with him again. Good luck to you.
Not entirely shocked as Amway has contributed to NOM (anti-gay marriage group), but with a view like that, its definitely a talking point. I'm sure he'll find out the hard way!
DeleteI thought the jehovah witnesses were bad with their pushy, door knocking... at least they promote creating relationships with the outer world.
Anonymous - same as in just about any cult Amway works on destroying existing relationships of their ambots and finds instant friends for them. Thus creating a sense of dependency on the Amway upline. It's very sick and disturbing.
DeleteAmway (and WWDB) is indeed a far right wing organization and you can bet when your friend is not in the room they are cracking anti-gay jokes at his expense. But since it is getting harder to pull in suckers of his they can drain their bank accounts for the top of the pyramid, they will pretend to be accepting of an openly gay person. Greed is Amway's number one priority, and they are only too happy to destroy the finances of a gay person as anyone else. But Anna is right. If he were to start getting high up in the pyramid (though that is already less than a 1% chance for ANYONE), they would start getting nervous and wouldn't want them speaking at a function or pushing their own CD's (where the real money is).
Delete~Dave
Hi Stacia. Thanks for dropping by my blog! Sorry about Amway killing your relationship. Unfortunately that's all part of belonging to this horrible cult. The only thing it does to people is rob the, of their money and their relationships. Good luck moving on with your life!
ReplyDeleteI hate Amway so Much... My sister is so mysterious and is never home. I need help. I'm scared for her and the future. She never talks to me or my parents anymore.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous Sibling. Yup you have just described an Ambot. Mysterious and secretive and refusal to interact with anyone who is not in Scamway. It's a cult and their main priority is to destroy the existing relationships of their cult followers and make them dependent on their leader. If she still lives at home it might be time for your parents to put down some tough love and send her packing. It's not much comfort now but 95% of ambots quit in 2 years usually when they've lost their money and are in debt. The odds are on your side but it will be a rough ride.
DeleteI second this. One of my best friends has been doing this for years. He's still lives with his folks, has become excessively judgmental, and has become that guy you want to avoid. Also, since me and others arnt in the "amway family" he rarely hangs with us, though were starting to not care. Sucks, he has what it takes to be a true success but doesn't want to do anything but go broke going on these stupid cross country "conferences" that he has to pay for. He lost his car to the dealership cause he couldn't afford the repairs needed, so he's just left it and continues to have to pay on it. He's a complete ambot, and is getting pimped out, and is defending it. I hope he finds the truth before its too late, he's dead broke, and alone...cause he's like family.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous - sorry about your friend. And doing this for years! Most figure out within a year they're not making money and their upline convinces them to hang in there a little longer because success is right around the corner, so usually within 2 years most quit. Those in longer have more trouble quitting because they live in a brainwashed world where nothing negative ever happens and all their dreams will come true. His parents are enabling him. He does not know what it's like to be a responsible adult and pay rent or a mortgage and pay bills. Instead he plays in this make belief world and pretends he owns a business. Unfortunately his story is familiar. Upline counsels the ambots to skip car and house payments so they can attend Amway conferences and buy more Amway products. It's a sick way to watch someone else live.
DeleteSome people have a very hard time admitting they were wrong- this is not altogether a bad character trait, but it does set them up to be a perfect victim. Even after it is proven clearly that they have been lied to repeatedly, they will carry on. Also, they can't face friends and family after, not realizing that everyone is just happy that they broke free of this commercial cult. People are very gracious and forgiving, generally (of course, if they got friends and family actually roped in.....well, people often have a hard time forgiving being scammed).
ReplyDeleteSo IBOFB is a lazy brainwashed ambot?
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to delete my comments, you probably should clean up all the replies too. It looks weird otherwise.
ReplyDeleteI guess you're not going to answer.
To the best of my knowledge I have not deleted any of your comments. I delete comments that are bigoted, racist, and occasionally other reasons such as naming names of people who would not generally be known but names that my readers would recognize such as Amway's owners, Diamonds who speak at functions, actors, and politicians are OK.
DeleteI checked with the person who does my blog admin and uploads my posts and moderates comments and yes there were some comments of yours deleted. I didn't see them and have no idea what you said other than the moderator decided the comments were irritating and served no purpose other than to start a fight. I trust my moderator's judgement.
This rest of this comment is not directed at you specifically but to everyone.
If you leave a comment on my blog and it makes you look stupid you've got no one to blame but yourselves.
When comments are approved I see them when I check on my blog and they're over on the right side under recent comments. Sometimes there are lots of comments and they're pushed down and I don't see them. Or I don't click on them all and read them. Or I don't feel like answering them for whatever reason.
Comments can take awhile if my moderator doesn't check them for a couple a days or if I'm away I don't respond. Like now. My sister just moved and I'm going to visit her and then there's a family vacation planned so I won't have much access to the Internet for the next couple of weeks and when I get online my first priority isn't to come here and respond to comments.
And sometimes comments end up in the spam filter.
I am Anna's moderator. I could see that IBOFB's comment was potentially going to become a mud slinging bonanza so I dumped it with some other comments.
DeleteI asked a simple question. On this blog you pretty much slam all of Amway, Amway products, and Amway IBOs. Yet here you state -
ReplyDelete"I am consumed with letting other people know how I feel about the assholes in our Amway upline."
Yet you don't name them.
Why not?
Maybe they're all assholes so naming them is not needed?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous moderator not cool. Anna's guideline (not racist,naming names etc.) should be the ONLY grounds. Stop over moderating please. Nothing kills an interesting blog faster. And yes, I cant stand scamway, but let these idiots hang themselves rather than give them ammunition and cry "censorship.".
ReplyDeleteWould you care to explain why so many pro amway sites do not allow any comments?
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DeleteNo, I think pro Amway people are in denial and do not like the truth posted on their forums as it is in stark contrast to what their upline teaches.
DeleteTypical IBO tutoring. Avoid the issue and bring up a different subject.
ReplyDeleteIBOFB, who cares? Why waste time naming people that are complete manipulative morons just so at your next convention(dont miss any man, really important business stuff going on there!) you can ask everyone if they know said people.
Btw, I really hope you're one of the ones that runs into the stadium to get a "good seat" while the entire time, half of it is empty.
-Sammy
AB said she is "consumed with letting other people know how I feel about the assholes in our Amway upline."
DeleteBy refusing to identify them she's not doing that, she's just ranting about Amway.
If you're all assholes, then there's no need to name them.
Deleteibofbck is a propagandist for Amway. He only likes to see positive comments about Amway.
Deleteibofbck never published a comment I made about CSPI vs Amway. I made the comment under my id I used in unhappy franchisee--"Explorer". If remember correctly, he said it is because he does not publish comment with fake email addresses. However, I did left a few comments some time ago under another name, with another fake email address; but this time, my first comment was not published (it was somewhat challenging towards his views)---that comment was only published after I make another positive comment about amway, so he did publish a comment with fake email addresses.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, however, joecool never published one of my comments that went against his view points in one of his post that talked about none-organic food being as good as organic
I don't test every email to see whether they're fake or not. I do so with ones that are obviously fake.
DeleteI posted in your site as "Joe" in 2011 asking about if you had scientific test showing Amway products to be higher quality, when I was looking to learn more about Amway. Here is the link where I posted:
Deletehttp://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/eric-scheibeler-a-merchant-of-deception/
I remember the email I gave you had it on its wording "I don't want to give you my email @yahoo.com", but in condense form ( either as "idontwanttogiveyoumyemail@yahoo.com" or the same but with hyphens in between words)
My first comment/question you answered the same day, April 25th 2011. I also remember replying to your answer within a day or two, but my reply was somewhat challenging towards your answer. Several days past by and my post was not published, so I asked you on May 4th if you forgot to publish my comments. Now here is where my memory get cloudy, but I remember that you did not post both comments until I said something positive about Amway on May 6, 2011, when you posted all comments including your reply... but I didn't think much of it at that time. Recently, However, I posted under the name "Explorer" with a somewhat challenging comment towards your post about CSPI vs Amway, and that comment was definitely not posted. I do see that you and joecool do publish opposing comments, so I don't know what happen that time, perhaps and oversight or error.
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ReplyDeleteAmway adherents have a tendency to cover up the "truth" about Amway.
DeleteBTW, ibofbk, I now know that Amway products are not really organic, and that the first-try positive result I saw on my face from that Artistry product, was about the same I got from a regular hand cream after doing an experiment my-self. ( I am not a regular cream user, that's why I saw the result more significant than what ir really was)
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