Monday, October 29, 2012

Amway Makes More Millionaires than Microsoft???!!!

I had some dumb ass ambot show up to leave a comment that more millionaires have come out of Amway than Microsoft.
Just one of these outrageous claims that ambots make. Most likely heard it from their upline and are duplicating what they said. Really if Amway creates more millionaires than Microsoft or any other well known company for that matter head office would be bragging about it on their web page or in business magazines.
Of course no ambot seems able to back up that lie with a list of Amway millionaires and Microsoft millionaires. Which is why its my guess that Amway’s head office doesn’t go around making outrageous claims that are unverifiable. They leave that dirty work to the lying ambots!
It seems logical, but a claim that I can not verify, that Amway has made millionaires of the company owners and their heirs.
I don’t have no proof that any Amway Diamonds are millionaires. Amway literature states the average Diamond earns around $150,000/year.  A nice income but it’ll take many years of saving and investing to reach millionaire status with whatever disposable income is left over from 150k after taxes, Amway, and living expenses have been paid. The Diamonds highest up on the pyramid who sell tickets to functions to hear them speak, sell CDs of themselves preaching the Amway gospel, and sell books and other bullshit they refer to as business materials could conceivably become millionaires off those proceeds if they have enough people in their downline buying them. There are probably people in Amway who have become millionaires independently of Amway – inheritance, lottery winnings, income from their primary job, smart investments, etc – and maybe some desperate ambots think of them as Amway-made millionaires.
Just because someone says or gives the impression that they’re a millionaire due to Amway you can't believe everything those Amway liars say. These ambots aren’t posting their net worth statements and supporting documentation up on the Internet.
Here’s a little secret for you ambots. Just because someone in your upline tells you other ambots further upline are millionaires it ain’t necessarily true. Just because someone lives in a fancy house with sports cars and shows photos of walking the beaches of the world and gives the impression they are millionaires doesn’t mean they’re not up to their asses in debt and one step away from declaring bankruptcy.
Any ambot who wants to provide a list of Amway millionaires and a list of Microsoft millionaires to back up their claims is welcome to do so!

78 comments:

  1. Ayy Anna, just when I thought it was over. Just when I thought those certified rocket scientists had been run out of town, i go out to my car and there it was. A fucking amway flyer with a name and phone number under my windshield wiper. Of course it would probably be unethical and illegal to post the name and number for all to harass right? Anyway i have a business proposition of my own. All ambots who are looking to earn extra income are invited to suck it slowly! And unlike thier upline, I might even include a reach-around!

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    1. Hi Anonymous. Yup ambots are like cockroaches. You think they're dead and then they're back. Just remember you have to tell them you're looking for investors for a gay porno flick you're putting together and that might get rid of them especially if you ask them if they'd like a part in the orgy scene! Thanks for leaving the names and phone numbers off here. For all you know this guys not an Ambot and simply the victim of a Halloween prank.

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  2. MS has spun up an ecosystem around it that has created many more millionaires than Amway ever has. Thousands of companies have created entire business models just on writing software on top of MS/Windows - you'd need to include all of those as well, not just direct MS employees, when making claims like this. I've heard/read this claim for years, and it astounds me that people are this naive. The claim may have been true in 1979, but not in 2012.

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    1. Michael that's my guess too. One of the Ambot qualifications is to be a good liar and make up your own fairy tales. Ambot desperation.

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  3. Hey, someone is trying to recruit me into setting up an "online store" with World Wide Group and it is directly linked with Amway.. just wanted your opinion/advise on this..
    email me @ w-verville@hotmail.com

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    1. Whitney - this all part of how ambots scam people. Online store and trying to make you think it's WWDB - World Wide Destructive Bastards - instead of Amway. WWDB is the most abusive cult in Amway's garage. Avoid these bastards! They are a cult and they abuse the people in their group and scam them out of their money. They will want you to buy $300/month minimum in Amway products and have you spend another $200 or more in various WWDB business tools. When the asshole trying to recruit you starts asking what your dreams are tell him it's to produce and star in gay porno movies. That'll probably get rid of the sleaze bag!

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  4. In my day the ambots said something about creating more millionaires than real estate. Or saying it was almost as much as real estate. But that was said during the early 90s

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    1. Colin - its always the same story when it comes to Amway. Maybe just told a slightly different way. Microsoft wasn't a well known brand in the early 90's. Probably in the 70's the claim was Amway made more millionaires than the stock market.

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  5. Lol, there's no way this website is real. I'm 18 and i retired through the World Wide Group Amway organization after going silver. I'm never going to work again in my entire life. I registered on December 26 or 2012. Quit whining and either build the business or have fun working a job for the REST of your lives. I'm extremely tempted to just write an obnoxious amount of "lol"'s, but I think i'll go do whatever i want in real life forever instead. Peace

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    1. Ah the old Amway lie, deny, and distract routine. Yawn.

      Come on now if you want to succeed at Amway you need to be a much better liar than that. You forgot to tell us how you paid cash for your house, have a fleet of sports cars and vacation on Peter Island every month.

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  6. its amazing how broke people rationalize with themselves on why they cant reach their dreams. Your focused on the wrong things. Hope one day you make that shift in your mindset, otherwise you dont stand a chance.

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    1. Did you read last weeks post about why ambots are so obsessed with "broke". Really why do you give a fuck one way or the other whether or not I'm broke. Do you plan to send money? I'd rather be broke than spend the rest of my life poor in the Amway cult.

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    2. only ignorant people talk like this! get a life lady! why don't you go and check it out for your self instead of hating a system that you could not do anyways you are too lazy and negative to even do the work required to succeed, and if you tried it don't blame the system blame your self for not doing what it takes, succeed with Amway or any other type of business.

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    3. Its probably better to be ignorant than to be a fucking lying scamming Amway loser who has to search out sites like this online and leave a bunch of angry bullshit Amspeak propaganda. Good job representing your employer.

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    4. Boy, this Unknown guy (aka Oscar Alvarado) sounds like he's taken on the brainwashing hook, line and sinker. He's got all the "talking points" down. Despite the 99% failure rate of the "system" (per Amway's own literature) anyone who isn't successful with it is a lazy loser. Of course, he'll be joining that title because it's a scam. A pyramid schemed disguised as a "business opportunity", because the products are horribly overpriced so difficult to sell, so the trick becomes to self consume and then deceive others to join and do the same. As ol' Oscar will eventually find out, success is never really around the corner, but they will tell him that month after month after month (and for the lifers year after year after year), all the while he loses money, friends and time.

      Sorry, Oscar... but that's the reality. Of course, the brainwashing and lovebombing has taken root with you so you won't believe me. So go right on losing money to the scam and feel superior, when the truth is you are the one who is the fool. Don't say we didn't warn you.

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    5. Anonymous - Unknown aka Oscar is definitely a brainwashed ambot showing up here with the canned Amspeak propaganda like we haven't heard this bullshit tons of times before. And the superior Amway Ambot attitude. These ambots show up here to provide real proof of what this blog is all about - that people in Amway are a bunch of fucking assholes. We treat ambots the way they treat the rest of the world. And they're too fucking stupid to see the irony! LOL! But of course Unknown aka Oscar has given us more lines to use in the next post 100 ways ambots say negative. Ambots all fired up from FED should be showing up all month to say negative. Hopefully I'll get another one of those posts off before year end! LOL!

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  7. My lady is fully involved in scamway and she seems to want to talk about it all the time, its becoming boring, I recently snapped at her and told her for my sanity and our relationship do not discuss any scamway issues with me..... She was taken aback. I'm ready to tell her that she's becoming a pest literally a bug a scamway nuisance. I hope that this doesn't last long as I've decided to spend less time with her when she asks why I Will tell her that scamway has her by the throat And is squeezing her sense of moral conduct and overall it makes her chat gibberish. These so called amway Christians have poisoned her mind and I refuse to listen to her crap. It's really turned our relationship sour

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  8. Can you just explain me how did my Amway check came out to be $8,000 last month at the age of 25? I don't give 2 sh*** what you say or think, I'm simply claiming a fact. You could say whatever you want and all of you people could believe whatever the f*** you want, but that won't change my check :). With sincerity. I desire you die in the worst possible death and the same to your mother, father and hopefully every person you love. ;*

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    1. Hi Anonymous from Florida if you're making that much money then thats a Diamond income. Seeing as how you didn't brag about being a Diamond then you're probably doing what other Amway ambots do and thats buy a shitload of SA8 or whatever, return it for a refund, make a copy of the refund to show other suckers how much you make in Amway. That scams been around for a long time. The assholes in our upline did and are probably still doing it now that they're in Monavie.

      I guess you don't listen too fucking good to the assholes in your Amway upline when they screech at you to never say negative. You are an excellent example of the shining character that Amway strives for when putting together their salesforce.

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    2. Dimonds make upwards of 30k. i think you are pissed off at your exhusband and you are blaming it at Amway, if it was a lie then the IRS would have had a field day with it.

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    3. Don't see anyone talking about their ex in this thread ' the IRS does have a field day with lying scamming Amway assholes. Check out some posts on here with lnks to IRS cracking down on cheating Amway ambots.

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  9. I am making good money with Amway... 115,000 a year last year. this year even more. Thank you Amway for making my dreams come true. You all should try it... don't give up... you can do it.

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    1. We make more money than you do and we don't have to lie and scam people to do so. We also own the building and the land it sits on and build up our investment portfolio. People have different ways to make money. I sure don't go around bitching at people who own different types of business than ours that they're dumb, idiots, broke losers, etc. can Amway employees say the same?

      You're earning a Diamond income and leaving comments on a blog like this? Bizarre. You don't see me going around leaving comments on Amway employees websites.

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    2. I dought you own the building or land, maybe you have a morgage and if that is the case the bank owns it and not you lady! I have a business too!

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    3. Well us and the bank own it gor a few more years but thats what real business owners do. And unless your last name is Vanandel or devos you don't own an Amway business.

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  10. No kidding, Anna. These folks make a few bucks and they think they are rich. What do they actually own free and clear? They haven't even begun to live life yet. Do they know how many people 'hit' Silver, Pearl, Emerald, and/or Diamond ONCE and never acheive it again? They get to go around and brag about it for years.

    We have a good regular business and actually own our buildings and properties free and clear - as in NO payments. We've never inherited a dime. Did it ourselves. Stick that in their Amway pipes and smoke it!

    CASSETTE TAPE

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    1. You said it! And we're in the same boat as you but no ambot will believe investing in real businesses and real land is better than investing in Amway because their beloved cult leader doesn't say so.

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  11. Diamonds actually make 650k a year.... and to the comment above saying that most people hit diamond once and dont hit it again doesn't really make sense because you would have a network if you did it right to back you up and keep hitting diamond every month. again, people with the mentality of "I know it all" it's a shame. there is nothing wrong with having a job, career, etc. but when people want to challenge themselves and do something different like Amway, don't talk down on it like you have the authority to do so when millionares and billionares have said that MLM is the next big thing. Maybe the person who said Amway makes more millionares than microsoft said it wrong, the truth is MLM (Multi Level Marketing) has made more millionares than any other profession, and you can look that up, that is a fact.

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    1. Hey anonymous, concerning your millionares(sic) claim, I'll point you here:

      http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.ca/2013/11/mlm-mythbusting-no-mlm-did-not-create.html

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    2. lol you know most investors come from MLM. If they educate themselves to know what to do with the money they make off their business they invest and make the money work for them. if there is no proof against it then what is your claim. in the modern era and for decades to come, MLM will and is dominating all over the globe. dont miss out on the opportunity.

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    3. Ohhh, domination... now we're venturing into the realm of BDSM? Anyone has a leather outfit and a whip? lol

      But seriously, MLM dominating all over the globe? Most investors come from MLM? If you're gonna say stuff like that, don't be surprised when people don't believe you, especially since you don't bring ANYTHING to back your claims.

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  12. All this while I noticed you seem to complain a lot about your upline..

    I'm not here to debate business is best than other things, you seem to have your life figured out, why should I (literally an anonymous) tell you how to live your life?

    I'm in no position to do so. I do however wish I could clear one thing (maybe not to you, you've already closed your mind to it, but maybe to anyone who came here because they were having doubts) Amway does work. You're probably going to come at me harder than a Tumblr feminist, but before you do, think about this. Just because your upline was a piece of shit doesn't mean the entire business is a failure. It angers me so much that there are so many people who wrongly expand their business (from what it seems your upline was one of those), who fill your head with dreams and fantasies and then fail to care about you, or help you any further, they are the ones who make it seem as a "pyramid scheme" which is complete outrageous! 50 years running and people still claim it's a pyramid, it fucking isn't, it's assholes like your upline who make it seem as is, and then people like you express your experience with the business online and it makes it difficult for people to trust MLM because they're seeing YOUR experience.

    Like I said, you have your life figured out, and that's fine, I however wasn't when I started, and that's why I started the business, I'm only 18 and I'm going to be a father, I cannot work due to my migrational status (H4 visa, can't work) and I had no way to support for a baby that is still yet to be born, until I joined the business. I'm still on the process of growth, but even still I am making enough money to provide for my soon-to-be-born child, and so are my downlines, because I don't see them as little puppets who run the business for me, I see them the same way my upline sees me and her upline sees her, and so on; a family.

    Amway is not a scam, it's not a pyramid, we're not Jehovah Witnesses, we are a family, we just happen to have a few spoiled black sheeps who give it a bad name.

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    1. Amway is a scam. Look at the small print on your Amway literature where it says the fraction of 1% who make money. Thats over 99% failure rate. You're letting the assholes in your Amway upline brainwash you. If they told you you can make more than $10/month they're lying to you. Amway preys on people just like yourself. Those who can least afford to lose money. You're 18. You'll recover.

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    2. Everything in life has a 99% failure rate, that's why 1% of the population control the world. Face it, so it's not about doing Amway or not, 1% or 2% whatever, Amway has created millionares so listen up, others made it so what does that mean? that it's possible. So, it's the fact that you don't have what it takes, you weren't educated to be successful, because it doesn't matter what it is you do, if you're thinking about percentages then that shows how little your brain is, Successful people don't find excuses, the find solutions and they adapt.

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    3. Most of the people that sign up for Amway don't even do Amway, they quit after the first month or so, so 99% means shit. out of 100% how many actually tried? you're not going to find that but I can addure it it was less then 10 percent. Plus, 99% of people out of the Amway business will be poor, wether they do Amway or not, because you were educated to be a monkey, so wether you do Amway or not makes no difference, you weren't educated to be successful and I doubt there's any hope of you ever changing that fact. So boo hoo, go on keep it up, you'll get very far like that.

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    4. Anonymous - at least my little brain isn't fucked up by Amway assholes!

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    5. And yet another Amway asshole shows up here with the blame the victim mentality. Please define "tried". So far no Amway Ambot who shows up here to bitch has done that. Just tosses out the canned Amspeak and disappears.

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    6. Of course he won't do the math either. They are taught that is "negative" thinking. Do pull out a piece of paper and factor in all the non-salable products they have to buy that they either self consume or store to collect dust in their garage (and that they could have gotten cheaper anywhere else), factor in the "tools" that they say are necessary along with the rah-rah functions. And then tabulate just how many people would have to be in their downline buying x number of POV in order for the money they make off of them to offset all the money they are dumping into the "business". That is why 99% fail. Because mathematically it doesn't add up. The circle drawing is all pie-in-the-sky nonsense. The numbers the circles show under you never materialize... you're lucky to get one or two people if even that... and thus why any pyramid consists of those at the very top who make money, and everyone else don't but are kept in the loop by dangling fantasy carrots and brainwashing.

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    7. Anonymous - a skilled mathematician would see right through the Amway scam. Everyone else looks at those circles and the big bucks you can earn and thinks WOW. There's a lot of things that look good on paper but executing the plan to achieve isn't always possible.

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    1. At least I'm not a low life scum of the earth fucking Amway asshole.

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    2. Someone who signs up for and dumps their money into a 99% failure rate scam sounds more like a SUCKER to me.

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  14. http://www.forbes.com/sites/annedoyle/2013/04/15/when-global-powerhouses-amway-and-microsoft-team-up-for-womens-leadership-the-skys-the-limit/

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  15. How can Amway be a scam if it makes +$11.3 billion a year (making it the 26th most successful company) and is approved by universities like harvard? Have you done any reasearch on the owners of Amway and who they are? There are thousands of people who claim they've done it and found no success, but it's like anything in life, most people won't make it and that because most people are educated to stay within the 95% of the population. They're educated to think like losers, to be negative, to find excuses to live a life of fears and not of dreams. I feel sad for you, you gave up on your dreams and now you live doing this? congrats, you're a great example for us; dedicating your life bashing a company's reputation... it doesn't seem to have much of an effect though, Amway keeps growing as it always has, 54 years giving the world an opportunity. If your upline screwed you over then that's too bad, but it wouldn't have changed the fact that you were never going to be successful in life, successful people don't do THIS.

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    1. More canned Amspeak. Yawn. Heard that same bullshit at every Scamway meeting. You Ambots are so Unoriginal! Why the fuck would I want to research the owners of Amway. This blog is all about cursing out the fucking assholes in my Amway upline and talking about our experiences inside the Amway cult. I'm not a fucking reporter doing a story about the owners of Amway and then yes I'd have to do research. My personal experience is my research you dumb fuck! And more blame the victim mentality. See how smart ass your comments will be in a few months when you figure out the assholes in your Amway upline lied to you and fucked you out of your money and brain cells.

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    2. The old "if Amway is a bad company, why is it a multi-billion dollar company?"
      Because of so many SUCKERS who sign up to it and self-consume the products (no one else wants to buy grossly overpriced generic products). That's where the money comes from and only those at the top of Amway enjoy that wealth. Everyone else loses money into that pot.

      But really, the point of Anna's blog isn't to try to reason with brainwashed Ambots. They usually have to learn for themselves when their debt gets too unmanageable. It's more to warn those who haven't fallen into the fast-talking/deceptive/bullshit scam about the tactics used to trick people to fall into it and how they close in around them to remove them from any outside source of rational thought to bury them into the "dream" while ignoring all reality.

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    3. We recently reran this post saying 3 years later we're still waiting for an Ambot to show up here with a list of Amway and Microsoft Millionaires.

      This blog mostly serves the purpose to curse out the Amway upline. Because my upline are everyone's upline. They're all scum sucking bastards out to steal your money with their lies and promises of gazillions of dollars rolling in every month after 2 years. In addition to readers hearing about our first hand experiences its a place to help others learn they're not going through the Amway hell hole alone. Usually courtesy of their significant other who has become a brainwashed ambot.

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  16. I joined amway a couple of months ago and all that i say is If amways is such a scam than why would company`s like Macys .express, forever21,sears ,home depot, office depot,tmobil,starbucks,microsoft ,best buy,avis, banana republic ,nike. petco and many others decide to affiliate them selves with amway why would they risk it if the out come is not true ? that is all i have to say , find a better hobby

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    1. The companies you mentioned are not "affiliated" with Amway. They allow Amway to push their products, the same as they would anyone else.

      Amway is a scam because it has to use cult tactics (lovebombing, constant "motivational" conditioning, pressure and abuse) to keep it's members "dreaming" and not paying attention to the money they are losing to the "business". They'll tell their followers that keeping close tabs on money being put into the "business" versus money given back is "negative" because they don't want the followers to see just how lopsided it is and how mathematically far away they are from ever seeing any kind of profit when the Ambot is usually the only buyer of the product due to it's very high cost, as well as how hard it is to rope others into the cult (and they would have to have HUNDREDS built up into their downline to make a profit... using that nasty thing called "math" again).

      Because it's so hard to sell the products, it reverts into a pyramid scheme to recruit, recruit, recruit. And with all pyramids, only those at the very top mathematically make a profit.

      So go right ahead and keep on "dreaming" and being "fired up" as they tell you month after month, year after year that success is "just around the corner". All this blog does is try to warn folks before they lose lots of money until a light bulb finally comes on. But for some, they gotta hit bottom first. Good luck.

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    2. Anonymous - It looks like Amway has partnered with more companies since we got out of the scam.

      Let's put it like this cause I think the rep from the city of Orlando said it best. When people were complaining to the city of Orlando because Amway was the winning bidder to have their name on the city's arena for 10 years for $40 million, the complaints were the city was promoting a scam operation that has caused many people financial and emotional distress. The city rep said, this is a business deal its all about the money. And if people are dumb enough to sign up to a scam MLM then that's their problem.

      All those companies that "partner" with Amway have the same attitude. Its a business deal and its all about making money for them. Its not their problem if people are stupid enough to sign up with a scam MLM and lose their money,

      Get it? That's how business operates. Its all about making money.

      Why would you come to a blog that's all about making fun of people in Amway and ask a dumb fuck question like that? When the answer is so obviously its all about making money. Were you always a dumb fuck or did you have to become one as part of Amway's job requirements?

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    3. Thanks for posting Anonymous, though I doubt that dumb fuck Ambot will ever get it, until as you said hits rock bottom and realizes he got scammed.

      Perhaps he can come back and give us a break down of how much each of these companies makes every year from selling products to Amway Ambots. Its my guess not very much money. The products are higher priced than people can go into the stores and buy less the shipping fees. Also the PV on partner stores was really low. The Ambot goal is to get the old PV up there to at least 100 to be eligible for $10 commission. Takes longer buying from the partner stores. Its just a little income source for those stores with very little work on their part. And the best thing for them is that the majority of the world doesn't know they've partnered with Scamway. Only Ambots know that cause its not advertised elsewhere.

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  17. This is an interesting topic: Who had make more millionaires? Microsoft or Amway. Consider that founders for both companies achieved Billionaire status. Paul Allen, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer (Microsoft). Richard Devos and Jay Van Andel (Amway).

    But, what we really want find out is how many self-made millionaires leveraged Microsoft or Amway to create their wealth.

    This article shows that Microsoft has made 12,000 millionaires:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-millionaires-who-spent-their-money-magnificently-2015-8

    This sounds about right, or at least millionaire in paper. Disclaimer: I work for Microsoft. I know that with the salary, bonuses, stocks, moderate investments and moderate expending, you can achieve millionaire status in about 10-15 years. Salaries are quite high, 100-120K for entry level engineers and 200K+ for Principal level and above, plus huge bonuses and stocks. Let alone the hundreds of people that became multi-millionaires when their companies were acquired by Microsoft. Some of them may still work at Microsoft at Executive levels, by choice, not because they need to.

    Now, about IBOs in Amway. Disclaimer: I am also an Amway IBO. Why? Why not? It is a great way to start a business while you still have a job, with little investment in money (but mostly with time) and even better, it is a great way to learn how to create an asset while doing it. Learning how to deal with rejection is a great learning. I like people like Anna Banana because they challenge me to find answers to interesting questions. Even though, I don't personally agree to many things she says, she says are right about some others. Facts are facts, and I encourage people to look after them. You are really brainwashed, but I believe in a good way. You really need a big dream that pushes you further if you want to achieve great things. Creating a business is not for everyone and not everyone should be pushed to do it.

    The idea is to generate residual income to become financially free (which could be anywhere from Platinum level or above 55K+). You are not millionaire yet. Although, it shouldn't take considerable more work get to a Diamondship, only discipline, since you already understand the business. Diamonds earn 250K an above. I know that in WWG, there are a little more than 100 diamonds. I consider most of them in their way to become millionaires (or millionaires already) because they have huge organizations that will keep generating residual income as oppose to only have saving and moderate investments. I would have to investigate with my contacts in WWG the total of millionaires are in Amway, and validate the information against a trustworthy source (I promise to get back on this).

    My point is, Amway distributors are business owners but a lot of engineers/Executives at Microsoft are entrepreneurs as well. I respect both, because it takes a lot of courage, persistence and discipline to build successful businesses.

    For some people like myself, the goal is to have financial freedom to do other things in life. I believe having the right vehicle, whether is an MLM, traditional business or technology startup, and the right mentorship (other entrepreneurs that did what you want to do) is the best way to achieve your goals.


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    1. Dear Anonymous from Microsoft:

      You're neglecting an extremely important difference between yourself (and other successful Microsoft individuals) and the typical new Amway IBO.

      Microsoft millionaires have made their way in a rigorously professional environment that demanded their best energies and an active intelligence. Someone like yourself would no doubt have been successful and well-rewarded in whatever field of endeavor you chose to pursue. And this is no doubt true of those 12.000 other Microsoft millionaires you mention.

      It's NOT true for the vast majority of IBOs in Amway, 99% of whom fail to earn any significant money at all in the business. It may be true for the Emeralds and Diamonds and other bigshots in Amway, but then again, they also would have been successful in whatever business they might have picked. A live-wire lunatic like Dexter Yager would have been a millionaire sooner or later, no matter what he decided to do.

      But the ordinary Amway IBO isn't that way at all. He's basically someone at loose ends, without much education or hope, and stuck in a low-paying job. He may be an honest person and a nice guy, but let's face facts -- someone like him is never going to be a millionaire. I'm not trying to put him down... all I'm saying is that many persons simply do not have the intelligence, impetus, or drive to hit it big.

      What's really evil about Amway (and I never really understood this until I began to read Anna's blog and Joe Cool's and several other anti-Amway websites) is that the entire "plan" of Amway is to allow the energetic, intelligent, go-getter types to get rich by exploiting the hopes and dreams of the less fortunate "little ambots," by draining them, month by month, of their resources. Is that fair? Is that just? Is that proper? Is is OK to get rich in Amway by convincing some poor loser to give his meager money to you?

      Microsoft doesn't work that way. The Microsoft millionaires got rich by laboring honestly and energetically at their jobs, and doing the very best they could to keep their company on top. Did they steal money from lower-level employees at Microsoft? Did they sell them bogus dreams about how to get rich? Did they force them to buy products that they really didn't need, or go to functions that were basically fraudulent? NO -- the Microsoft millionaires simply did their job and got rewarded properly for it!

      But that's because Microsoft is a genuine company producing a real and valuable product. Amway isn't that way at all. Its only "plan" is to enroll persons in a scheme that will basically defraud 99% of them of their money, energy, and time.

      You know, Anonymous from Microsoft, it's true that we make fun of "ambots" here all the time, and yes, sometimes we are a little over the top with the raillery and the insults. But when you consider the facts more carefully, it's people like Anna Banana and Joe Cool who are the compassionate ones. They actually feel sorry for the unfortunate persons who are sucked into the Amway whirlpool of slow bankruptcy and wrecked families. All this blog and other anti-Amway blogs do is try to warn off these not-very-smart and not-very-resourceful persons from the dangers of getting involved in a corporation that only wants to treat them as an endless source of easy cash.

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    2. Ah ha! Maybe that's why I couldn't bring up the comment box to reply to this message! Anonymous was already in there! LOL! Never know what's going on around here.

      This Microsoft guy obviously has the brains and the drive to do well in whatever field he goes into. And that puts him way ahead of just about every IBO out there. Whether he has what it takes to be a fraction of 1% who can become Diamond who knows. I doubt it because the odds are so high stacked against anyone but every now and then someone does break through.

      But you can be certain Microsoft Guy is huge bragging rights to the upline and at Amway meetings the cult leader will say stuff like we've got a Microsoft employee as an IBO so that gives legitmacy to our group because a brainy guy like him wouldn't join a scam. Then there's that doctor who the IRS audited because of his involvement in Amway. You wouldn't think a smart guy like him would get prospected into a cult either.

      And yes Microsoft puts out a product that people genuinely want and need. And I might be going out on a limb here but I'm guessing that Microsoft doesn't depend on their employees to be the majority of their customers the way Amway does. I bet that over 4% of Microsoft sales are going to people who are not employees. Amway can't say the same thing! LOL!

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  18. Hi Microsoft Guy. For some reason Blogger won't let me reply to your comment so here's a new one.

    First off how I want to say how refreshing it is that an IBO stops by with an intelligent comment. Usually the ambots who leave comments here need more instructions from the upline on how not to say negative. Mostly we're used to seeing comments full of errors that don't make sense like: Fuck up bitch. Bunch of sore losers. Your a nobody and your stoopid blog must be made by sbd who fail in amway. Your an unchristian losser who stole your huband dream. Your uneducated. Fuck off and get a life.

    So it is really nice to get a well written comment that isn't full of the usual Amway Ambot screeching bullshit Amspeak propaganda.

    And you would have more information than us on Microsoft millionaires and stock options and probably your company assists with financial planning. But you'll never know how many Diamonds are millionaires because that's a closely guarded secret. And probably not how many Diamonds are in Amway because thats also another closely guarded corporate secret.

    If the best reason you have for joining Amway is - why not. Then that's pretty bad. And even worse you're believing the residual income rolling in for the rest of your life bullshit. Something we frequently make fun of around here. At least 2 years ago. Maybe even over 3 years ago Amway released a statement on their newsfeed or blog. I don't remember which but I do remember reading it. Perhaps one of the bloggers who talks about the Amway business instead of what I do around here which is mostly cursing out people in Amway, would have that information handy still. Amway's head office said residual income is not true and should not be promised at Amway meetings.

    One thing people in Amway are good at doing is saying fuck you to their big boss in Ada so we all know that residual income is still being promised at Amway meetings. That's what corporate cults do. They promise income rolling in forever.

    I'm pretty sure you're going to make more money in Microsoft than Amway but good luck to you.

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    1. I'd like to contribute with quality information. I laugh a lot of what people write about Amway here, and maybe that's the goal for the blog but it's one of the most popular blogs I found around and I felt identified with the topic.

      My reason to join WWG/Amway is not the -why not, but what I said after that. Given my time constraints, it's one of the few businesses I could build during my evenings and weekends (another one could be Real State). My real interest is to get the skills to build a business by doing it. In any type of business your ideas/product/service will get rejected by customers or potential partners, but learning how to handle rejection it's very important. There are other aspects to learn as well but I don't want to get into details to keep this brief.

      About the residual income, I totally agree with you, it will not keep flowing forever unless you keep growing your business or at least maintaining it. That would be a wonderful thing but it's unrealistic on any business. If someone promise you to be fully retired once you reach a Diamondship that's bullshit. You have to build a large enough organization, stay around WWG/Amway and keep helping people to build their businesses. Maybe you can afford to reduce your participation for some time. Then, you can make use of that extra time and money to diversify investments.

      It's not a realistic situation to build a Diamondship and disappear. If someone attempts to build an Amway business thinking that way, well, Anna, you have my permission laugh at them.

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    2. Hi Adalberto. Yes this blog is high on the search engines for just about everything Amway. That's because when we started the blog we figured out we had to entertain as well as educate. The way we chose to do is by cursing out the assholes in the Amway upline. That's entertaining. Maybe not to Amway prudes but a lot of people come here to read and some of them share their horror stories and curse out people in Amway too. These pages are full of our observations at Amway meetings and functions and our opinions of the products Amway sells. Our true life Amway experiences delivered in an entertaining way. That's what makes the blog popular.

      I think you'll do well in whatever field you go into and hope you don't lose too much money in Amway before you figure out there are better choices for entrepreneurship. Like the real estate you mentioned depending on where you live could be quite lucrative to flip houses or hold on as an investment and rent out.

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  19. It's inescapable -- Amway is exactly like the Jehovah's Witnesses, or the Communist Party, or the Church of Scientology: a small group of highly fanatical people with fixed rote answers for everything. That's why they get so angry when you criticize them for the slightest thing.

    People in small, self-sequestered groups tend to be very defensive and hostile to outsiders. It's an "Us versus Them" mentality. But on the other hand, being in a cult like Amway also generates the temptation within the cult to "do something sinful," or to "defy authority."

    That's why I suppose that the bulk of the readers of this blog are Ambots and their up-lines. Reading this blog, for them, is a guilty pleasure -- sort of like surfing porn on your computer.

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    1. Anonymous - you're correct about Amway being as unescapable as some of the other groups you've mentioned.

      Yup Amway vs the rest of the world or around this blog us vs Amway. LOL!

      I don't know who the bulk of the readers are on this blog. Only a small percentage of readers leave comments, too hard to say for sure if that means its leaning towards Amway lovers or Amway haters.

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  20. Wow reading to all these people's negative opinion about Anway makes me dumber by the moment. It's amazing how little they think of Amway because they don't have the right attitude and can't put the right effort to maintain a business. I guess there will always be losers in this world to balance the winners of Amway. I will continue to take advice from self made millioniares than someone who sits behind a computer wasting their life talking down on a successful company. No point in arguing with idiots. I'm glad I can speak my mind on this blog though! Thank you for that :) have a nice wonderful close minded rest of your lives!

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    1. Anonymous - are you having trouble separating "negative" from "truth"? It seems all brainwashed Amway Ambots suffer from that syndrome. And speaking of negative I think you better run off to the fucking assholes in your Amway upline and get more instructions on how not to say negative. The owner of Amway did a recording telling his sales force not to call people losers because it's not nice. I've never met anyone in Amway I can call "nice" and no I'm not referring to the fake nice show that Ambots put on. But I like your attitude. Telling your boss to fuck off and calling people not in Amway losers anyway. That's one millionaire you didn't take advice from. LOL!

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    2. Dear Anonymous of January 8:

      You don't need to read this blog to become dumber. You're already pretty damned dumb.

      You think you'll be successful in Amway? That's a laugh. Ninety-nine percent of Amway IBOs fail miserably. But I suppose you think you're in that special group of "one-percenters" who'll hit it big.

      You think the people giving you advice in Amway are "self-made millionaires"? Man,you really are a jackass. Most of those guys are "Faking it till they make it," as Amway urges them to do. Why don't you ask those "self-made millionaires" to show you a copy of their Income Tax returns from the last three years? Or are you afraid of what you might find out?

      Have a nice life as a brain-dead Ambot.

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    3. "I will continue to take advice from self made millionaires"

      For one thing, it's dubious that they are "millionaires". Everything in Amway follows the fake it til you make it plan. But for the ones that are high up on the Amway pyramid, they got their money from selling the tools and dividing up the function money, not from selling the over-priced products.

      Of course, Anonymous is deep in the brainwashed phase, so talking about things like the 99% failure rate in Amway (as per Amway's own literature) and how they will have to have HUNDREDS of people in their downline to hope to make any money at all (and even then it won't be much unless they get allowed into the tool scam club), it's best just to let anonymous go the route of all the other "fired up" "I'll be the exception" Ambots who crash and burn... gotta learn for themselves.

      You're right, Anonymous. No point in arguing with idiots. You'll have to learn for yourself as have thousands of others who have fallen into the Amway trap over the years.

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    4. 1st Anonymous - LOL! You forgot to add the only advice Amway cult leaders give out is bad advice. Well bad for the taker of said advice like don't pay your rent/mortgage and use that money for the next Scamway function. But that would be good advice for the Amway cult leader because that's money in his pocket and he doesn't give a shit if the ambot gets evicted or foreclosed on. When one money stream dries up another sucker is born to take that ambot's place.

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    5. 2nd Anonymous - I doubt any brainwashed Amway Ambot will see your logic of Amway's fake it till you make it plan. I know I never met any Amway millionaires but just about every Ambot that leaves a comment here brags about all these Amway millionaires they know. And apparently are freely giving out advice. LOL! Yup he'll just have to learn for himself that he got sucked into a scam. And the only way to make money and be part of that fraction of 1% of Amway IBO's who make money is to be the best damn scammer and liar he can be. Not too many Ambots have it in them.

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  21. Hi Anna B. I recently contacted an old time/long time family friend and told him I was informed that he had been in Amway and if he could offer any advice on how to get my daughter out of it. You guessed it, he was absolutely USELESS. He said he was in it 30 years ago ???? and made $200,000 dollars the first year. He was a bit condescending and the conversation was so disappointing. First of all, he is a person very well connected in his community and always has been. He has been a pastor and worked for the Sherriff's department and even ran for Sherriff. My heart was broken after talking to him and I was also majorly pissed. Broken because I am sure he had to use his contacts in the community to make so much money. I told him that we obviously do not agree on Amway and I told him that I'm just so sorry that he made $200,000 off the backs of so many people. Ugh! Where is the broken heart symbol.

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    1. Hi Living a Nightmare. Come on. Do you really think he made $200,000 in the first year in Amway? LOL! 30 years ago? Products were still high priced but not as high priced as they are today and not as much commission to be made. This is one of these cases where once an Amway liar always an Amway liar. Its very possible he used his position of authority to shall we say strongly encourage people to buy Amway shit. Still brainwashed after 30 years. Clearly this guy has no morals or conscience after all these years. And the pastor thing doesn't surprise me. You have no idea how many Ambots out there seem to think they're a preacherman of some sort and could jump in and fill a slot in any church.

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    2. It just goes to show that a person claiming to be a "man of God" can really be a low-life scum using the position to manipulate others to enrich themselves. Like televangelists, "Jesus" is just a product to sell to make money for themselves by just cherry-picking quotes from the bible to mess with minds.

      And I agree with you, Anna. I highly doubt he made $200,000 in the first year. Since that would be from a tiny percentage check from products sold by him and his downline, it would mean well over a million in sales. Who is buying the overpriced stuff? If it's just his downline, how many was in his downline and how much were they buying? It would have had to be hundreds of downline buying ridiculous amounts to put them deeply into debt in order for this "pastor" to be living high off the hog like that. Of course, you will never get an Ambot to go into detail as to the math of how they made that much money. Since they are pulling the number out of their ass, they avoid that.

      What an evil bastard. "What would Jesus do?" I doubt it would be to fleece hundreds of people with lies and bullshit in order to make himself rich.

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    3. Anonymous - that was probably the way the pastor got people to buy Amway product - what would Jesus do? Jesus wants you to buy shitty overpriced Amway products.

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  22. I started to see a flaw when a recruiter tried to prospect me saying "you know, I knew someone who is 24 years old become financially free because of this plan." I was puzzled by that claim because the recruiter of mlm will not mention the name of the 24 year old guy. I also think that if this is true then no 24 year old people will have to sweat for a living. Why do I still see 24 year old people trying to upgrade their life?

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    1. Hi Anonymous. That's a classic Amway line. All Ambots claim connection to some asshole in their upline who retired at 22 and is financially free so if this guy was 24 then he must have been a slow learner. LOL! In our case usually they mentioned the name of some asshole who'd be so far up there and living in a different state that it would be impossible to figure out. And for all we know that's the scammer who started that bullshit. What's wrong with being 24 years old and working for a living? Nothing. Unless you're a brainwashed Amway asshole. Beats lying and scamming people.

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    2. Lying is second nature for an Ambot. They could never recruit anyone by telling the truth because it's all based on bullshit, phony stories, unrealistic circles drawn and "dreaming".

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    3. Anonymous - that sums up the life of an Amway Ambot!

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  23. Dear Living a NIghtmare:

    Anna is right. That "pastor" didn't make anywhere near such a sum of money in Amway. And "in his first year"? Im-fucking-possible!

    You might have to wait till your daughter hits rock-bottom before she realizes what a total fraud Amway is.

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    1. Anonymous - there is no way in hell that "pastor" got $200,000 after a year in Amway. I mean even our sack of shit Platinum didn't bullshit that high. Or else he's an underachiever and only pulled in half that amount. Or so the lying scamming sack of shit claims! LOL!

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  24. Not same Anonymous troll, I did Market America for a year right before I turned 20 in college. Saw a flier for a "home business/job" opportunity an start going to presentations. Wasted $2500 before I ran out of cash, took me a few more months to fully admit to myself and others that it was a scam, even as the red flags started appearing during my time I didn't want to rack on the scam because I'll be honest I was a procrastinator and scared to sell but after doing research and examining my experiences I learned it was Scam with cult mentality. I'm almost 23 now

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    1. Hi Anonymous. You were at the prime age for getting sucked into the Amway cult. Because you hadn't heard of it before. Guess you didn't ask your parents or grandparents if they'd heard of Amway!

      Yeah Ambots are famous for posting fake job ads. We have some posts around here talking about that.

      Consider yourself lucky you got out after only being scammed for $2500. Too many sad stories on the Internet about losing tens of thousands of dollars, homes getting foreclosed, debt, bankruptcy, seniors losing their life savings, and financial and emotional distress.

      You're a college guy. Consider that money an education. You'll never get scammed again. Right? You learned something. Amway was an expensive education. You're young enough to bounce back financially and emotionally. Others aren't that lucky.

      And you nailed it. Amway is a scam with cult mentality.

      Good luck to you.

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Comments are moderated but we publish just about everything. Even brainwashed ambots who show up here to accuse us of not trying hard enough and that we are lazy, quitters, negative, unchristian dreamstealers. Like we haven’t heard that Amspeak abuse from the assholes in our upline!

If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:
1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.
2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.
3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.
4. Gossip that serves no purpose. There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why they’re getting divorced. If you absolutely must share that here – don’t name names. I get too many nosy ambots searching for this. Lets not help them find this shit.
5. Posting something creepy anonymously and we can’t track your location because you’re on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. I attracted an obsessed fan and one of my blog administrators attracted a cyberstalker. Lets keep it safe for everyone. Anonymous is OK. Creepy anonymous and hiding – go fuck yourselves!
6. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.
7. Posting bullshit Amway propaganda. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. Otherwise take your agenda somewhere else. Not interested.
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