A guy current in Amway has given me some insight into what its like inside Amway these days. I was surprised that Platinums are making $35,000/year. That’s the amount that Emeralds make according to a book written by a former Emerald – Merchants of Deception. http://www.transgallaxys.com/~emerald/
I would have thought Platinums are in the 20 – 25k range. I get it that these lying Amway assholes will try to bullshit you into thinking its tens of thousands more. Our former platinum said it was $75,000 a year but of course he was making way more than that because he was such an outstanding piece of Amway shit he was making more than 100k. And the upline emerald was making $125,000. Yeah I think that was overestimating both by 100k. So here’s the truth about Amway and income and the products from an insider. Amway insider tells us that Diamonds need 500 to 1000 people in their downline to get to their $150,000/year income – this is the amount in Amway’s literature what the average Diamond earns. And the Emerald author of Merchants of Deception had around 1000 people in his downline and he still couldn’t crack 35k and get to Diamond. So this all tells us it’s a nearly impossible mission. Also I might suggest this guy head to Lowes or Home Depot or wherever and buy a cheaper water filtration system where the filters can also be bought! Save hundreds of bucks than buying from Scamway!
Thanks for sharing the truth with us. Dead on!
Amway’s goals: Sell their products.
IBO’s goals: Drag more people into their cult. Uplines (Platinum and above) don’t care much about Amway’s products; all they care about is getting more followers to full-proof their Amway’s strategies. Like any MLM, IBOs think that getting followers is far more important than selling actual products, which defeats Amway’s mission.
There’s something wrong with this business.
I’ve joined Amway IBO three years ago. I have no downlines nor do I do much in this business, because I have a strong work ethic. After using some of the products, I do agree that the products are decent. But they do not justify the cost at all. There’s no way I can promote these inferior products whose quality is worse than cheaper products in the market. For example, Dawn’s Power Clean cleans a lot better and faster than Amway’s Dishdrops at half the cost and half the “drops.” You can also find other such products in the market already. I don’t see how an IBO can just lie about how good these inferior products are without feeling any remorse. I bought eSPRING system to fulfill my $150 in 3mo deal in my first year, and now I just need the eSPRING filters, which is why I’m still an IBO (retail price = IBO price + membership price). However each year, Amway is raising the price on eSPRING products. The company thinks it can do whatever it wants because IBO’s can lie their ways to selling eSPRING. Legally, you can buy eSPRING products only from Amway businesses, which means that there shouldn’t be any other competitors selling these products.
As you are well aware, to become a platinum, one will need at least 7500 points (or 10,000 points). There are basically two ways to reach this goal. One is through sales, which is not the IBO’s recommended way obviously. The other way is to get as many downlines as possible to reach this goal. That means contacts and lies during work time. Second, average Platinums only make $35k/year, which means that they still need a job and will need a lot more contacts to get Platinum legs in order to become Diamond IBOs. That means that they will need to spend time during work to recruit people (“make contacts”). Third, although Diamond IBOs can make $150k/year, they will need at least 75 downlines to get this far. However, since not everyone is a “hard worker,” these Diamond IBOs usually have between 500 and 1000 downlines, which means that they will need to recruit even more followers during daytime. Fourth, “you don’t need to know much to start this business.” That was what I was told. Yes, you only need to be a big liar without feeling guilty by convincing others that Amway business has a strong future and is extremely promising and that their products are superior to the ones in the market. Fifth, Amway is not an “eCommerce business” for obvious reasons. It’s a business where you must redirect your buyers to Amway’s sites, in which you are not allowed to even have your own store. Finally, I’m not sure if you’re from the same crown upline “god”, Bill Britt, who had started out his BWW business to supposedly help IBOs to achieve their goals (free from jobs) and successes (millionaire, ongoing income). The costs for functions, CDs, and other BWW products do add up, and the commissions go to Britt, obviously. He doesn’t make millions just from Amway sales, but his loot mostly comes from his external BWW businesses and functions; IBOs are generally lied into thinking the other way around. After I’ve heard that Bill Britt had just died a couple of weeks ago, I felt relieved, hoping that this cult fad would soon end, but I don’t think that’s possible since there are others in charge of these lying functions. Yes, everyone treats Britt as a god, the main cult leader. But, he’s not going to Heaven.
IBO’s goals: Drag more people into their cult. Uplines (Platinum and above) don’t care much about Amway’s products; all they care about is getting more followers to full-proof their Amway’s strategies. Like any MLM, IBOs think that getting followers is far more important than selling actual products, which defeats Amway’s mission.
There’s something wrong with this business.
I’ve joined Amway IBO three years ago. I have no downlines nor do I do much in this business, because I have a strong work ethic. After using some of the products, I do agree that the products are decent. But they do not justify the cost at all. There’s no way I can promote these inferior products whose quality is worse than cheaper products in the market. For example, Dawn’s Power Clean cleans a lot better and faster than Amway’s Dishdrops at half the cost and half the “drops.” You can also find other such products in the market already. I don’t see how an IBO can just lie about how good these inferior products are without feeling any remorse. I bought eSPRING system to fulfill my $150 in 3mo deal in my first year, and now I just need the eSPRING filters, which is why I’m still an IBO (retail price = IBO price + membership price). However each year, Amway is raising the price on eSPRING products. The company thinks it can do whatever it wants because IBO’s can lie their ways to selling eSPRING. Legally, you can buy eSPRING products only from Amway businesses, which means that there shouldn’t be any other competitors selling these products.
As you are well aware, to become a platinum, one will need at least 7500 points (or 10,000 points). There are basically two ways to reach this goal. One is through sales, which is not the IBO’s recommended way obviously. The other way is to get as many downlines as possible to reach this goal. That means contacts and lies during work time. Second, average Platinums only make $35k/year, which means that they still need a job and will need a lot more contacts to get Platinum legs in order to become Diamond IBOs. That means that they will need to spend time during work to recruit people (“make contacts”). Third, although Diamond IBOs can make $150k/year, they will need at least 75 downlines to get this far. However, since not everyone is a “hard worker,” these Diamond IBOs usually have between 500 and 1000 downlines, which means that they will need to recruit even more followers during daytime. Fourth, “you don’t need to know much to start this business.” That was what I was told. Yes, you only need to be a big liar without feeling guilty by convincing others that Amway business has a strong future and is extremely promising and that their products are superior to the ones in the market. Fifth, Amway is not an “eCommerce business” for obvious reasons. It’s a business where you must redirect your buyers to Amway’s sites, in which you are not allowed to even have your own store. Finally, I’m not sure if you’re from the same crown upline “god”, Bill Britt, who had started out his BWW business to supposedly help IBOs to achieve their goals (free from jobs) and successes (millionaire, ongoing income). The costs for functions, CDs, and other BWW products do add up, and the commissions go to Britt, obviously. He doesn’t make millions just from Amway sales, but his loot mostly comes from his external BWW businesses and functions; IBOs are generally lied into thinking the other way around. After I’ve heard that Bill Britt had just died a couple of weeks ago, I felt relieved, hoping that this cult fad would soon end, but I don’t think that’s possible since there are others in charge of these lying functions. Yes, everyone treats Britt as a god, the main cult leader. But, he’s not going to Heaven.
How confident are you in the 95% of IBOs quit within 2 years stat? I'm praying that you're right. I have a bf that's in this and your story gives me hope. But you were married and I'm just in a serious relationship so anything can change.
ReplyDeleteHi Scamfighter. Sorry to hear your bf is in the Amway cult.
DeleteMost IBO's quit after a few months when they figure out they're not making any money and that it's too expensive to continue with buying at least $300 worth of shitty Amway products every month and buying tickets to hear the cult leaders talk. Many get caught in the year end sign up for another year in the Amway buying club pressure put on them by the assholes in their upline so they renew their membership. But they are probably long gone before renewing at the end of that year, therefore the majority of ambots quit inside 2 years. Your bf is under a lot of pressure right now by the Amway upline assholes to buy tickets to a major function in April called Spring Leadership. He might ride that high for a week afterwards but if he's thinking of quitting he'lll stop attending Amway meetings and buying their shitty products. Sometimes you just got to wait them out. Once they've gone through their savings account and maxed out their credit cards they have no more to give to their cult leaders and they'll be shunned and they'll walk away. It's a vicious cult that robs people of their money, their sanity, and their relationships. Some pay a heavy price.
Good luck ScamFighter, I know someone who has been in it for 15 years. No $ made, lots of $ spent, on crap, crappy products, fees, "tools", events... Plus there's the destructive impact on marriage, relationships, a real job... But ironically if no $ is made, AmBots are told that it's an "inside job", internal work is required before they can succeed externally.
DeleteYou can't reason with an Ambot, then you're the enemy, you're negative, you're bringing them down, you're controlling, you're this, you're that... So you wait it out, and wait, and wait... It can go on for years, it all depends on the mental health of the AmBot and their capability of holding a real job to fund their cult addiction.
Break up with your BF, unless codependency is your thing along with manipulative behavior, twisted mind games, lying... And you would have to say good-bye to normal weekend getaways, a retirement account, your friends...
Give it a short period of time, if he doesn't see it by that deadline, then run away. There's no ring on your finger.
BeTrue - everything you've said about the destruction Amway causes is dead on. This is the worst evil that can ever invade someone.
DeleteAs for dumping the boyfriend, that's easier said than done. Amway is usually a passing have that destroys someone emotionally and financially for a few months and then the Ambot quits. Most women can wait it out and hate every minute of it but it's hard to give up on someone you've invested so much in in a relationship.
I hope she doesn't have any joint debt with him!
BeTrue, by the 2 year deadline you mean? I feel like he's a victim and he usually goes through different phases, and I'm hoping this is just one of his phases. he's not TOO into it....he still hangs out with his normal friends (although not as much as before) and he's still close with his family. Besides this he's a phenomenal boyfriend. He's typically a skeptic about everything and I'm shocked that he'd even FALL for something like this. I hope that he sees the light soon. I told him that this better not impact our relationship in any way shape or form and he promised it wouldn't...and it hasn't. He hasn't asked me to join, or help out. he said hes fine just trying this out on his own. I don't believe in quitting on a victim so soon. People who join this are mentally sick and were approached at a vulnerable time in their lives...which is EXACTLY what happened with his case. He was finishing college, didn't know how to make ends meet, jobless, and desperate. He met me the same time he joined this. So I believe this is a battle I can fight..and I feel like they won't win. I'll be damned to let something so stupid ruin true love.
ReplyDeleteScamFighter - yes your boyfriend is a victim of this evil cult and has been brainwashed to devote all his time and money to the cult leaders. And yes this cult specializes on preying on the disadvantaged.
DeleteHopefully he'll be out by summer. I'm not sure if he's found a job yet but if he doesn't have any way of paying for Amway products and tools he will have to stop. Just keep an eye on things. Don't go into any joint debt or leases with him in case you end up being solely financially responsible because right now his priority is giving his money to the Amway cult. Make sure he's not treating you badly. Most ambots become sneering angry bastards and insult everyone who won't have anything to do with Scamway. They're not the same person any more. Amway turns them into horrible human beings.
Like anything else in life you gotta take care of yourself emotionally and financially. With or without him. Don't let him drag you into the Amway hell hole. It doesn't sound like he's in a place where he can afford to belong to the expensive Amway social club. Hopefully he won't go to Spring Leadership. Most ambots quit around Scamway major functions so if not by this one he will probably be out by summer and family reunion.
ScamFighter, setting a deadline is arbitrary and dependent on so many variables. AnnaB brought up a lot of good points. If he's still struggling to make ends meet financially then he won't be in it for long because he won't be targeted, he's not good prey, they'll ignore him. If he loses the great boyfriend status and becomes a manipulative jerk, dump him. Definitely protect yourself in all areas of your life with healthy boundaries. Do not fall into the codependent role of savior. Both of you stay grounded by hanging out with real friends. Don't lose sight of what's truly important. Do periodic reality checks.
DeleteI hope he finds his way. He's young, there's a lot to learn; it would suck though to learn it the hard way through AmWay. The best you can do for him is be true to yourself, teach by example. He'll learn to fight his own battle and see things for what they are.
Don't worry ScamFighter, my friend was in this since 2009, but she had to quit at the beginning of this year because they reduced her hours at work. Now she works two other jobs and all but has forgotten about the meetings, conventions, prospecting, house-parties, free-facials, and all that 'exclusive' Amway crap that just wasted her time. Even her friend that got her into the 'BUSINESS' disappeared because she now works outside of the county about 16hrs a day, seven days a week to take care of her kid and herself. It just takes a little slice of reality and a truck-load of lost-money to realize that you can't always do what you want to do. Specially if you’re right out of college and a tat-bit broke. My friend has even stopped buying the products because she now admits she can’t afford them (NAW…REALLY!). The one with the kid refuses to speak anything “Amway” and regards them as the lowest of the lowest scum of the earth!
DeleteI guess all you need to do is find poverty at the end of your light, and presto…you’re cured!
Thanks for your blog Anna, I love your stuff and all! Everyone hates Ambot-people!!!!!!!!
Anonymous - wow your friend hung in there a long time. Yup unemployment or less hours meaning less income sure puts a crimp in an Amway lifestyle. Too expensive to keep tithing the great Amway gods.
DeleteDear Scamfighter, sorry to hear the story, but you may lead him to ask questions to his up lines especially in terms of accounting. Let us see if any one diamond dares to maintain books of accounts, when they call something as business.
ReplyDeleteYeah, my fear is that he will be in it for that long. We do not share any accounts (thank goodness). I really hope that this is a phase that he'll get over. I'm convincing him to watch the movie "The Master" with Joaquin Phoenix which deals with cults. He's considering watching it. I hope it rings a bell.
ReplyDeleteScamFighter - the odds are on your side. Most ambots don't stick around Scamway too long. It only seems like an eternity to us while we watch the bank account balance go down and the credit card debt go up.
DeleteHi I'm from the UK, my girlfriend whom I care for has joined Amway (coincidentally people from her church). She swears by this product now and compares it to everything, she has aspirations which I'm all for but this Amway crap has made me cautious of the company she keeps. I refuse to buy stuff from her as I'm a supporter not a spender. How long will this Amway crap go on and will it affect our relationship.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Sorry to hear your girlfriend has gotten caught up in the Amway cult. One of these minority stories because it's not usually the woman who joins up and loves Amway, it's more a man thing. Very few single woman in Scamway because of its male chauvinist teachings. As you can probably figure out from the above comments how long she'll be in Amway depends on her finances. Once she's run out of money savings dwindles or credit cards maxed then there's no more money left to spend and she'll get out. Or rather be shunned by her beloved upline when she stops buying Amway products and tools cause she's run out of money. A few months for most people. Less than 2 years at the most. 95% of IBOs quit inside 2 years. The rest like to throw their money away. Absolutely it will affect your relationship. The Amway upline will tell her to spend all her free time with them and they will brainwash her into believing that people not in the Amway cult are evil and to be avoided. The upline works hard to separate their cult followers from anyone who can reason with the person and convince them to quit Amway therefore drying up that source of income. You might have a better handle on how her financial situation is. Maybe you can get her to keep a profit and loss statement and help her figure out she's wasting her money.
DeleteMy girlfriend has been an Ambot for 3 months now. All we seem to do is argue now because I don't agree with the business like she does. It's a scam in my opinion but I want her to realize that on her own. But by the time that happens, I think our two year relationship will be down the drain by then. Thank you Amway for destroying my relationship.
ReplyDeleteDavid -I'm sorry to hear about your girlfriend. Amway is all about destroying relationships. You can be certain the assholes in her upline are pressuring her to end your relationship. I hope she figures out the scam soon and things get better. Or you might want to hook up with Scamfighter! I think she's had enough of her ambot boyfriend.
DeleteI am using amway products , and I advice to use of everyone
ReplyDeleteHoly fuck did you choose the wrong place to leave a comment that we should use Amway products! Been there done that lost the money to prove it. Find another og to peddle your overpriced shit.
DeleteHi Anna, It sounds like you were an IBO at one time. The truth is that the Amway plan does work very well. The products are as good or better than all the high quality brands.
ReplyDeleteMany people are going Platinum every month from all over the US & Canada so the plan does work Your group structure is what determines how much or little money you make. You were an IBO that failed to the work the plan and now you are bashing Amway when you should be looking at your self to figure out why you failed. It's really easy to pass the blame but not so easy to accept responsibility for our selves.
I am truly sorry you had a bad experience as an IBO. There are many lines of sponsorship and Im sure some are not what they should be.
I wish you success in what ever you do in life.
The truth is its a system designed for failure. Amways literature shows less than 1% will make money. Reverse it and thats over 99% failure rate. Amway is a blame the victim scam so ambots point fingers and say shit like you didn't try hard enough but no matter how hard you try with a high failure rate chances are you won't make money. No matter how many Amway ambots who show up to brag about the thousands who are going platinum diamond etc.
Deleteabsolutely correct!
DeleteThanks Anonymous. We do our best to get word out that Amway is a system designed for failure and hope others know to stay away from Scamway.
DeleteAnna
ReplyDeleteI hope you find the perfect business out there. Amway is not perfect as you and I are not perfect either. But the difference between you me is that I will win and you already lost. Being successful as an Amway IBO is 98 % attitude and 2% technique. When you have the blame it on whatever attitude then youve already lost. You control if you win not your upline, not Amway, not nobody but YOU. Nobody but ME controls whether I win and I will win. Thats an attitude!!!!!
I wish you all the best in life
IBO
We've owned our own business for many years plus the land it sits on. Whether its the "perfect" business I can't say maybe there's no such thing. We make in the same bracket as Amway publishes their Diamonds earn so you can go ahead and think of us as failures if you want but that would put your beloved Diamonds in the same boat.
DeleteIf you're an Amway ambot your upline controls everything you do.
When you're a real business owner, you set your own prices, set your own hours, hire the employees you want, and you don't answer to no one else.
Can't say the same thing about Amway IBO's and their phony businesses.
And now all Scamway products can be purchased through Amazon.com..... So why be an IBO? My parents have been taken for a ride since 1992. They were DEVASTATED when I showed them that, and ebay too.... Amway is a pack of lies!!!!!!
DeleteHi Unknown. I have a post around here somewhere about Amway products being sold on Amazon and I think the trend was higher priced than what Amway sells them for! And then Ambots are flogging the Amway shit they stocked up on at Craigslist and eBay for a fraction of what they paid just trying to unload the shit and get the space back in their garage. You got it. Amway is a pack of lies and only broke losers want to be IBO's.
DeleteAmway has touched/changed many lives for the better. The training is by far 5 star quality. People from all walks tell lies. Lies in school, lies in church, lies in relationships and lies in business. Yes people in Amway lie and that is not taught by Amway Corp. That is just life in general. I don not promote Amway but was a Gold Direct in the 90s and the training alone allowed me to go in life and build success in traditional business and in my personal relationships. ONLY 2% of ALL people in life no matter what career are making the kind of cash it takes to live a life of reaching dreams and goals that are above average. So 1 to 2% in Amway make it as with any thing in life. 2 to 3% in life can be self sufficient in life at age 65 or older. The rest are dead, dead broke or have to depend on government, church or charities. Shame on the Amway distributors that feel they have to lie to be a success. And as far as CDs, seminars, functions, rallies, books and such. That is all in the cost of doing business and is optional. Build a McDonalds franchise....the golden arch sign alone cost around 50 to 60k and they will never sell the best burgers in town. EVER! They sell for the most part garbage and fill our children with disease. But they are a success. WHY?? Its called a business and they are great at what they do they are a profit system that pumps out profits day in day out around the world. So are we all McBOTS for eating their garbage?? Are the owners telling lies and in a cult?? IT IS BUSINESS PERIOD! Amway is a business and a HUGE success on a global scale. PERIOD.
ReplyDelete"ONLY 2% of ALL people in life no matter what career are making the kind of cash it takes to live a life of reaching dreams and goals that are above average."
Delete-This is contradicting. The average would sit at 50% wouldn't it? The 2% might make enough for outlandish dreams and goals, but this is treated as average?
"So 1 to 2% in Amway make it as with any thing in life"
-It is less than that in Amway, especially when you factor in profit vs. an actual living wage.
"2 to 3% in life can be self sufficient in life at age 65 or older. The rest are dead, dead broke or have to depend on government, church or charities."
-Any proof of this claim? Are you counting 401k's as charities? Investments as church? Social security is in fact a form of investment. If this were true, our streets would be filled with homeless elderly (churches and charities cannot prop people up for that long)
-Comparing the sign on a McDonald's to Ambot training is apples and rocks, not even oranges. Also, $50k for the sign? Where did you pull that stat from? Also, at least you can sell the sign. Those books and CDs have no resale value, and the training isn't something you place on a resume.
-I'm sure McDonald's would love to know about Ambots telling the world they "sell for the most part garbage and fill our children with disease." Nasty claims about another corporation....
-If you would like a comparison as to AMO cult tactics vs. McDonald's training, youtube it. One looks like a church revivial, one looks like a training seminar, where actual learning is done. PERIOD.
Gold direct in the 90s? What happened to your business? I assume you will tell us you didn't work hard enough, but shouldn't some of it remain 'residual'? I guess you are back on this side of the coin, where all of us will be dead, broke, hopeless and wondering the streets by 65.
-Jerry
Shh Jerry unless you're purposely trying to play "stump the ambot"!!! Ha ha!!! They're pre-programmed to lie, deny, defend, and distract. The life of a brainwashed ambot. That ambot ought to check out today's post about how Amway made the serial killer a better person! Ha!
DeleteAs always, I try to let the Ambot weave themselves into their own web of lies. Remember Darnell? Such fun.
Delete-Jerry
Wow, what makes you guys think you're any better than people locked in a 9-5 minimum wage job, looking for a way to make a little money on the side? If they make it in Amway, cool. I'm happy for them. If they don't, they knew the risks to begin with.
DeleteI stumbled upon this blog looking for the truth about Amway. All I see here are a group a very prejudiced, very opinionated, very biased people and no facts.
I'll keep looking for the facts.
Your husband must love the fact that you made a website about how pathetic he is. I bet that really helps your marriage.
Anonymous - at least people working in a minimum wage job are making more money than Amway ambots. And they probably don't have to pay their employer to work there and have to buy their employers products as a condition of working there. Unlike Amway ambots.
DeleteYou miss the irony of this blog. People in Amway are opinionated, prejudiced, biased, no facts, and treat the rest of the world who aren't in Amway like shit. We turn the tables here and treat Amway assholes the way they treat everyone else. In addition we alert the rest of the world what Amway assholes are really like.
The people here talk about the pain and misery that Amway has brought to their lives. If you don't think those are real facts then FUCK YOU!
I was an IBO back in 2004. Its funny how Amway (then Quixtar) targets young college students with no money. Anyway, my dad was in Amway back in the 80's and was very successful in it. He tried to warn me but I wouldn't listen when I joined up in 2004. There are some pros and cons to the business. I enjoyed the network, meeting new people and the leadership, "feel good' training. Is it impossible to make money? No, but the odds are very low. The business has changed over the years and despite having more products, the system is flawed, in my opionion. It goes against free market, competition. You have to convince people to buy products (in most cases one brand to pick from) that are higher in cost than you would normal pay and for what, a $30 check in the mail? You would save $100 if you bought those same products at Wal-mart. "But Wal-mart isn't writing you a check to buy from them", well actually they are, but its up front and not on the back end. So, basically what I am saying is if their were more diverse products and the prices were competitive, it would be different. I close with an example. A 12 pack of Xs Energy drinks are $27 and a 12 pack of Red Bull is $19. This means you can't buy the Xs drinks and sell them directly AND make a profit. Amway wants you to get people to buy these products under you and that aggravates me to know that I don't have the option to sell directly to retail; all of that profit is going to the distributors.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous - too bad you didn't listen to your dad but sometimes we have to learn from our own mistakes and everything you said so many others figured out the same things. Amway has to jack up the prices so everyone uplin can make some commission on your sales plus a hefty profit for the owners. They'll never be competitive with lower priced higher quality products out in the marketplace.
DeleteAmway sa8 detergent is the best of the best. consume reports proves it.
ReplyDeletePeople get rich in Amway not working at Walmart.
Are you fucking kidding? Which consumer reports? That one inEurope where Amway pays them a fee and chooses where they want to be in the standings. Consumer reporting magazines always show Tide as the best laundry soap. When Consumer Reporting tested Amway's soap it came out near the bottom. Probably the same number of people get rich from walmart as Amway and those would be the owners and heirs or bigwigs in the corporation.
DeleteIts all in the way you operate the business,Entrepreneur Bo Short made a killing off Amway. He is a well known business consultant .
ReplyDeleteI don't even know who the fuck that is. The person who moderates our comments tells me he's some joker who jumps around from one MLM pyramid scheme to another. If he "made a killing off Amway" then he operates his business the same way the others do who've made money in Amway. They have to be good liars, scammers, no morals, don't give a shit about destroying other people's lives in their greedy pursuit of a dollar, and don't give a shit about anything except getting rich. If that's the way you want to run a business so be it. The rest of us prefer to run an honest business which is why so many people drop out of Amway. You can't be a commissioned salesperson for Amway and be truthful and honest or you won't make money - the story for over 99% of people who get sucked into the Amway scam.
DeleteFor one person to make a "killing" in Amway, they have to do it at the expense of 99 others who LOSE money to Amway. It's how the "business" is set up. Even in the fine print of Amway's literature it says there is less than a one percent chance of ever making money in it. Sorry, I wouldn't want to get rich at the expense of hurting 99 other people. I was born with a conscience. It's no different than a con man pulling a scam selling the Brooklyn Bridge. Yeah, he makes money, but he hurts someone else to do it.
DeleteAgree. Once you know how the Amway scam works and if you have a conscience you don't go around scamming other people so they'll lose money just like you did. You cut your losses and get out of the Amway cult before more damage is done.
DeleteThis blog is all about insulting the assholes in the Amway upline. Do you really think any readers from here are going to that link? People don't read things that don't interest them or piss them off unless they've got huge psychological problems so I think we'll pass. But if you want us to send a big old FUCK YOU out to him no problem! Hey Bo! Get on the Amway truck and get the fuck out of here!
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Sorry you did not make it in the business,You may need a new sponsor who can show you the ropes.If at first you do not succeed,try try again.
ReplyDeleteThanks for stopping by and proving that Amway ambots are even more fucked in the head than we think they are and for proving that Amway is a blame the victim scam. It wouldn't matter who the sponsor is in a business that has less than 1% chance to make money. Take your Amspeak and take a one way trip out of here on the Amway truck.
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The only people who think SA8 is better than laundry soap that can be bought at the stores are brainwashed Amway assholes. The only people who spend $40 and up buying Amway soap instead of $10 or less at the store are dumb fucks. With clothes that aren't as clean as everyone elses!
ReplyDeleteIt takes a lot less in SA8 , per use price is better. It cleans better too.More concentrated and environmentally friendly
ReplyDeleteI heard those same lies from the fucking assholes in my Amway upline too. The bullshit about how SA8 price per use, concentration, and environmentally friendly is better than everyone else. Or was the first to discover all these things. Or is the only company out there doing it like this. Bullshit!!!! Price per use Amway soap is 4 to 5 times higher than everyone else. Just about every laundry soap out there has to be environmentally friendly these days and probably for about the last 20 years too. Look around at all the laundry soaps on the shelf. They're all concentrated. Have you looked at those little laundry pucks that some soap companies have out there? Those are even more concentrated than their regular products. SA8 does not clean better than Tide. I don't think any laundry detergent cleans better than Tide. Have you looked at the bullshit small print Amway puts on their SA8 "recommended use - daily". Most families do laundry once or twice a week. Amway ambots are so filthy they have to do their laundry every day?! Been there heard that bullshit Amspeak before from the lying fucking assholes in my Amway upline. Male chauvinist pigs who probably don't do the laundry anyway because that's woman's work. And guess what? Us woman know what laundry soap is the best quality and the best price and it ain't nothing with an Amway label on it!
DeleteThe life of an Amway ambot: lie, deny, distract and defend. And beg and plead the rest of the world to buy their overpriced shitty Amway products.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that sa8 is the number one best cleaning detergent.
ReplyDeleteEveryone should also know about Amway dish drops. Dish drops is extremely concentrated so a drop goes along way. Beats Dawn hands down.
Its just mind boggling how Amway ambots show up here and make themselves look like dumb fucks. "Everyone" doesn't know Amway's overpriced shitty cleaning products are the best or else Amway would have more outside sales. Less than 5% of Amway's customers are NOT Amway IBO's. That tells the rest of the world that only Amway ambots "know" or are brainwashed to believe that Amway's shitty overpriced products are the best out there and only Amway ambots are fucked up enough to buy this overpriced shit. Major magazines and major news stations do consumer test panels on these products and Tide always comes out the best in laundry detergent. At what cost - a quarter of what Amway charges for their product. Dish Drops is fucking bullshit. The bubbles run out way before the dishes in the sink do. Dawn or Palmolive or whatever has far superior products where the bubbles outlast the dishes at a fraction of Scamway's cost. And if you're talking for the dish drops for the dishwasher - I've never seen so many dishes and flatware and glasses that came out dirty from the dishwasher that had to be washed over again by hand. Walmart's own brand of dishwasher detergent is far superior to the fucking shit that Amway sells. Do you even do the laundry or the dishes? If you did and used Amway products you'd be really fucking pissed off at the shitty results and go back to using superior products that can be bought from the grocery store as fast as you can. So in other words "everyone" knows the best cleaning supplies can be purchased everywhere else but Amway.
DeleteI am sitting in a Amway meeting right now and Anna as unveiled the true ugliness of AMWAY = ARROGANT MATERIALIST WICKED APES YAHOOS. God Bless You, Fred
DeleteHi Fred. Perfect acronym! You nailed it!
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LOC all purpose cleaner is concentrated and lasts a long time .
ReplyDeleteIt is powerful enough to clean the dirtiest floors and other household jobs,but gental enough to wash your cats,dogs or baby.
Great Value all purpose concentrated cleaner is concentrated and lasts a long time and only costs around $2, about a quarter of the cost of LOC. Great Value's concentrated cleaner is powerful enough to clean the dirtiest of floors that LOC crapped out on and couldn't clean good enough. And yeah I know I always go around using my concentrated household cleaner to wash cats, dogs and babies. So what's your point? That there are better concentrated cleaning products out there that do a better job than Amway's overpriced shitty products. Why do Amway ambots always go around bragging that Amway has concentrated cleaning products? So does every company out there that sells cleaning products. But to hear Amway Ambots gloat about it you'd think they believe that Amway is the only company out there that sells concentrated cleaning products. Dumb Amway Ambot Assholes!
DeleteIt is concentrated strong yet genial. Liquid Organic cleaner . A unique formula only through Amway.
ReplyDeleteAnd costs 4 times as much as a better product that can be bought at Walmart. If LOC is so good and so much in demand as you claim then why are the only customers brainwashed Amway ambots? That's because people can buy better quality at a much lower price for the same product just about everywhere else.
DeleteAmway nutrilite vitamins are not just best THE best. All natural amway has its own farms.Don't take my word for it check out the amway web site these are the supplements of the best athletes.
ReplyDeleteJust like other Superior quality amway products ,Amway does not spend money on advertising to pass the savings on to the distributor and their customers.
You're full of shit Amagram. An Amway employee who works at the Nutrilite plant showed up here and told us exactly what those Nutrilite vitamins are all about. No different than the generic brands you can buy at the drugstore except Amway's costs a whole lot more cause so many people need a piece of the commission of each one sold. So Amway does not spend money on advertising? How about those Amway commercials on TV? The network is just airing them for free and only charges advertising fees to companies like Coca Cola and Kellogg's? What about the $40 million dollars Amway paid to the city of Orlando to have their name on a stadium there for 10 years? What about the money Amway pays to the Miss America pageant so they'll flog their Artistry make up on the show. You think Miss America just allows Amway and all the other companies sponsors to show their shit for free out of the goodness of their hearts or are they looking for paid advertisers? What about the money Amway pays Miss America to be their spokesperson for a year or do you think she does it for free? Really? She'd tell Amway to go fuck themselves and find another cosmetics company who will pay for her to be their spokesperson. Yup you're just another lying Amway asshole.
DeletePass on the savings to their customers? You mean a generic product that is already up to four times more expensive than similar products one can buy in the store was even more expensive before the amway savings? Wow I cannot imagine how bad it would have been to start with.
DeleteI heard the same things at Amway meetings. If Amagram had said he heard from Amway speakers that Amway products are THE best (what else are they going to say?) and heard from the Amway speakers that Amway doesn't spend money on advertising to pass on the savings to their customers, then we could respond that the Amway speakers he's listening to are liars. Instead Amagram took ownership of these lies and is making a fool out of himself. I worked in the sales department of a radio station and we sold ads, getting the higher dollar amount for prime times. Sometimes we bartered and would get gift cards from advertisers to give away as prizes on air in exchange for mentioning the client. TV networks, city owned properties, newspapers, magazines, and beauty pageants all sell advertising space and they all want to sell this space for as much money as they can get especially if it's prime space because the salesperson likely gets a commission. No one gives away advertising space for free unless it benefits them, like bartering for prizes. Amway has nothing that salespeople selling advertising space would barter for. Whenever you see Amway advertised somewhere, they paid for the slot.
DeleteAnonymous - I agree with you. What kind of savings are you passing on to a customer when the customer can buy a similar product that's better quality at a fraction of the price at Costco or Walmart or wherever you shop!
DeleteHi Anonymous. Thanks for stopping by. I was having a laugh thinking about what would happen if a radio station bartered with Amway for products in exchange for advertising. The DJ would announce they're giving away a bottle of Amway Nutrilite vitamins to the first person who phones in. Two hours later the DJ announces they're still waiting for that first caller to phone in! Ha ha!
DeleteAnd 4 days later the DJ is still pleading for someone to call in to take those vitamins off their hands.
DeleteLOL!
DeleteI am Amway clean. I used Amway body series body wash , and deodorant.Then i put on fresh clean clothes cleaned with no residue SA*8.
ReplyDeleteAmway also has the plan,the best business plan around.
Like we need any further proof that Amway is a cult with a bunch of brainwashed ambots running around spewing out bullshit. Everyone in Amway is dirty one way or another.
DeleteNo amount of Amway body wash or deodorant will hide the filth of lying and scamming people with brainwashed talk of "dreams" to draw more victims into a "business" that empties bank accounts, runs up credit cards, loses homes and relationships all to please those biggest liars of all at the top of the scheme, the tiny handful who actually make a few bucks by screwing everyone else below them selling motivational (brainwashing) tools and extremely over-priced products. Some "business plan". (shakes head)
DeleteThat's right Anonymous. Everyone in Amway is so dirty no amount of their soap will clean them up.
DeleteIf you really need a add a one two punch to your sa8 detergent try tri-enzime sa8 laundry booster . Add this to sa8 to take out any stains.
ReplyDeleteWell I guess if you're a dumb fuck and buy shitty laundry soap you'd have to add other stuff to it to get the laundry clean. Smart people buy high quality laundry soap like Tide that gets the job done without adding a bunch of stain removers and laundry boosters. Much more cost effective to buy one product that does a good job.
DeleteThe only things the Amway detergents remove is money from your wallet.
DeleteAs you said, there are much better detergents out there at a LOT less money than the Amway crap.
I agree with you, Anna. There are lots of good quality laundry soaps on the market place that can get deep into the clothes to get a good clean, have extra stain remover ingredients, gets whites whiter, gets colors vibrant, and have nice scents. There is no need to buy extra deep cleaning products or stain removers unless you're buying cheap laundry soap that can't get the clothes clean enough on its own. Then by the time you add up the cost of the cheap detergent plus the laundry booster it would have been cheaper to buy a laundry soap that already has it added in. But in the case of Amway, the object is to slap high price tags on bad products, and then sell all kinds of other products that help the original product get the job done and everyone makes more money. Except the poor sap you bought the crap.
DeleteHi there both Anonymouses! You both said pretty much the same thing - an Amway ambot fool and his money are soon parted and there are much better laundry products out there that cost way less than the shit Amway is selling! Yup!
DeleteI am an independent product tester. I will say Tide comes in at number 2 Amway SA8 comes in at number one for cleanliness.You will notice it is heavy tide is light due to fillers.I saw a demo from a distributor it rinses better too.
ReplyDeleteFucking bullshit you are! There are links on this blog from reputable companies Good Housekeeping, CNN, Consumer Reports who put in everything about the tests they conducted - the products, the panel, etc. You have ZIPPO. Not reputable. Who is not reputable? Lying scamming Amway assholes who think they are experts in everything! Fuck off!!!
DeleteI am an independent product tester, I have tested other products too . shaklee detergent and vitamins. I plan to test Melaluca too.
ReplyDeleteAmway beats them all , I will say Shacklee liqid detergent is good almost as good as amway liquid.I do know what im talking about .I have two degrees.
That sounds like a really fucking shitty job for someone who has 2 degrees. What kind of a loser would work with shitty MLM scammers when they could be putting their education to a much better job? Got to be pretty fucking desperate for money if you can't find a legitimate job working for a quality employer.
DeleteI agree Amway is the best.The best detergent sa8. LOC the best cleaner and safe for the environment. Amway was making high quality environmentally products before the epa.Go to an Amway rally and see the success don't let nayone steal your dream.
ReplyDeleteGags at the scripted Amway commercial.
DeleteHe's just some idiot who's got a hard on for SA8 and shows up here occasionally to say he's an independent tester like anyone's going to believe his shit.
DeleteAnna Banana, you are clearly not a "fucking" professional (see what I did there? I used your favorite word) nor are you much of a people person...if what I see here is any indicator...perhaps that's why you did not succeed in the Amway business?
ReplyDeleteBut don't listen to me. I must be the spawn of the great Satan for questioning you.
Anonymous I'm probably more of a fucking professional than you'll ever be.
ReplyDeleteYou don't suppose that people don't succeed in the Amway "business" because its a system set up for failure? Amway's literature shows that only a fraction of 1% of IBO's will make money. That's over 99% failure rate. Read the small print on your literature, don't listen to me. Those are Amway's numbers not mine.
A used car salesman and televangelist could be called "people persons". Doesn't mean I would trust them any further than I could throw them.
ReplyDeleteThe best scam artists are the ones who pick your pocket and you thank them for doing it.
Hard to put any stock in the commenters who can't even string together complete, grammatically correct sentences.
ReplyDeleteEspecially when they sound like they're simply regurgitating the scripted Amway propaganda. They don't even recognize how well they're reinforcing the term "Ambot."
Hi Anonymous. One of the qualifications to get a job with Amway is the inability to string a sentence together. Due to inability to converse in simple English these ambots can't find regular jobs so they sign up to the Amway cult and then show up here to find answers to the questions to the assholes in their Amway upline won't tell them. And once they find the truth here they get so angry. Truth hurts.
DeleteHow to make someone you love leave this business or convince them to leave...she is going in debt and not realizing it. she is also attracted to this bling..thing...
ReplyDeleteHi Anna, You are doing a great job by spreading awareness and sharing your own experiences with Amway. Its a total waste of time, beating around the bush with a hope that some great day, you will become a diamond. The reality is totally different. I have seen IBOs that are doing this business for 15 years and yet not Emeralds, struggling with finances and draining their energy and happiness on this shit. We were told that we don't have enough motivation and burning desire that's why we don't have a successful business. We started this business in 2000 and did it for couple of years. I am happy that I realized very soon the future of my family if we continued doing this crap. We are far more successful doing our corporate careers and fulfilling our dreams. I still feel pity for those IBOs who are yet in the business and keep persuading us to attend functions, FED etc. I believe that if a person has strong determination he/she will reach their goals. Amway is not the sole and only vehicle on this entire planet which will make people successful and happy. Its a myth that is consuming people's lives worldwide.
ReplyDeleteHi, thanks for stopping by Anonymous! Glad you're enjoying the blog. At least you got out of Amway and got your life back together. I'm sure Amway has brought more unhappiness and emotional and financial distress than success and happiness to people's lives. There's been so many people stop by and thank us for this blog and from stopping them from making the big mistake of getting involved with the Amway cult.
DeleteHi Anna, nice to know you. I've joined Amway business about two months ago. My upline is a nice person, he says the business is mine. I'm currently using nutrilite and artistry products and I'm satisfied with the service but I too think they are overpriced and as India is a third world country, we don't have access to good products so I fell for it and ended up spending 1000 rupees on them. My family thinks I'm brainwashed by my upline but I don't think so because I'm an analyzer and I don't have sufficient amount of information to prove Amway wrong or scam. I'm 21 years old and have much to learn and by the way I want to become a blogger too like you. So, please enlighten me...
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Your upline might be nice to you right now cause you’re new. Give it a little longer and you’re not bringing prospects to meetings or buying enough overpriced Amway shit and see how nice he is to you then.
DeleteBrainwashed people don’t realize they’re brainwashed until they leave the cult. Sometimes not even then. If your family thinks you’ve been brainwashed then believe them. Who has your best interests at heart? Not the people who are trying to scam as much money out of you before you wise up and quit Amway. At least you’re still young enough to bounce back financially and emotionally. Just look at the money you lose in Amway as an education. All education costs money. And what will you learn? Hopefully how to figure out when you’re being scammed.
Hi Anna, I'm from India and 21 years old. I have joined the Amway business for 2 months now and I'm using nutrilite and artistry products and I'm satisfied but I too think the products are overpriced. As India is a third world country, we don't have much nice products so I fell for it and spent 1000 rupees on them that would be like 138.89 dollers. My upline is a nice person and I knew him before he joined Amway. My family thinks he brainwashed me but I don't as I'm an analyzer and I don't have sufficient information to call Amway a scam. By the way, I want to be a blogger too like you. So, can you enlighten me, please.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous- you want to buy good products online at a good price? Look at Amazon or eBay. You can spend as much as you want or not buy at all and no one is shitting on you if you don’t buy hundreds of dollars of stuff. The other benefits of buying from Amazon is that you’ll probably buy products that you like and will use. Did you ever buy vitamins before you signed up to Amway?
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