Friday, March 15, 2013

Amway Diamonds Are Broke

According to Amway literature Amway Diamonds make around $150,000 a year.
According to the assholes in your Amway upline Amway Diamonds make millions of dollars a year!
150k is not a bad income. A person can have a decent house, nice cars, take a couple of vacations and put some money in the bank if they’re careful what they do with their money.
Some Amway diamonds make the bulk of their income from speaking at Amway functions. That’s where the money is – ticket sales. Also selling CD’s of themselves bullshitting the crowd with their “motivational teaching”. Gag gag gag!!!! But not all Diamonds are on the preferred speaking list so some diamonds earn more cash than others but a diamond could earn several thousand or tens of thousands more a year by this tool income. Depends where they are on the get a bigger piece of pie plan. And Diamonds ain't forever. Many drop off the radar because they couldn't keep bullying their downline to buy buy buy. 
An Amway Diamond according to Amway’s literature is in the ballpark as our income. I keep getting fucking Amway assholes showing up here and leaving comments that I’m broke even though I’m very careful with my money. So if you go by Amway ambot logic if I’m broke then so are Amway Diamonds. All of us are broke who have incomes around 150k. That’s how a brainwashed Amway asshole thinks. That’s not enough money! Greed rules! You’re a broke loser you fucking Amway Diamond according to the Amway IBO’s in your downline!
A person can live a decent lifestyle on this income if you watch how you spend it. From what I’ve seen of Amway Diamonds they live beyond their means. They buy mansions a fleet of sports cars and fly first class to exotic destinations multiple trips a year and supposedly they pay cash for all of this.
That lifestyle just ain’t possible on 150k without going into some serious debt.
And there have been reports of Diamonds going into foreclosure. Lets see if you paid cash for the house then there wouldn’t be a mortgage and impossible for a bank to foreclose. What about bankrupt Diamonds. No. How could it be possible that Diamonds who buy everything with cash and don’t take out loans and credit cards could declare bankruptcy. Could it be that Diamonds are liars about paying for everything in cash? I can just see Amway assholes reading this and throwing their arms up in the air and shrieking NO NO NO!!!! You’re the liar you broke loser.
They’d have to be living on credit to bullshit ambots into what is a Diamond lifestyle. You can’t live a millionaire lifestyle on an income that’s in the low 6 figures. Amway is all about fake it till you make it. Amway is all about going into debt.  Amway is all about lying to trick others that you are richer than you really are and making good money at this scam.
Not hard to figure out at all why Amway diamonds are broke.
Its just those fucking little Amway assholes that show up here to say that I’m broke when unlike their beloved Amway Diamonds I have never had to file bankruptcy or had the bank foreclose on my house. Hell I’ve never even had a call from a bill collector. I have an excellent credit rating but those fucking Amway assholes that read my blog accuse me of being broke.
In other words they accuse someone in the same income bracket as a Diamond of being broke so that shows their low opinion of broke Amway diamonds! Fortunately I don’t have Diamond sized expenses and I manage my money pretty good. So if these fucking Amway assholes think I’m broke then they are putting Amway Diamonds in the same category. Same income. Same broke.
Fucked up Amway asshole logic!


147 comments:

  1. Anna, your blog ROCKS!!!!

    Anyway, Amway Diamonds are just overgrown adult loosers living in their mother's basements pretending to hit it big, while racking up some serious debt. All of them will never know the actual meaning of "independent"!

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    1. Hey thanks! You rock too! I knew a lot of ambots who were still living at home with mommy and daddy and bragging about how much money they were making in Scamway. Yeah right.

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    2. Wow, I knew it. The Caucasian groups of amway must be absolute crap, look whoever you are I am an executive diamond my name is Theo im Columbian and I started my buisness about 3 years back and look where I got now, I earn 300k a year on a bad unproductive year and 460k a year when my 11 groups of 100 people each try hard, I'm with Equipo Vision and we qualify diamonds and new emeralds almost monthly, under me I have 15 Diamonds, 30 Emeralds, And so many platinums, you are very negative I can tell you just failed, you must not have dreams, or any sort of ambitions. I can't believe my associates and I came to america illegally and in a few years made a fortune, wow you white people are cocky and just suck at business marketing.... Yeah look amway pays me a solid check every year but with that check I became the proud owner of 4 McDonald's franchises, 2 Dennys Dinners, I own 1 Holiday Inn, 5 Gas Stations, and I own 1k shares of Apple, Cerner, Manchester United, and MicroSoft yeah but sure I'm an "amway lying cheat", I try to help people but they're to negative, lazy, with no ambition, but why care about people like you I'm rich and im not even legal, and I don't care if I get deported, ill just get to live in my Columbian Mansion, don't join any of those white people groups join equipo vision (team vision) my name's Theo again have a happy miserable life, working while im 33 and retired! Cya at my McDonald's Anna :p

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    3. Theo - OMG. Where to start? Besides the obvious that you seem a little racist against Caucasians.

      How ironic this comment shows up just as I'm getting ready to spend the day down in Tijuana and I don't have to worry going down or coming back cause I'm not illegal.....

      Diamonds are not reading this blog. Neither are Emeralds, Platinums or any IBO who LOVES Amway and LOVES their upline. Unless they're really fucked in the head. More fucked in the head than what Amway does to them. People do not read and comment on blogs that poke fun at things they like. Unless they're fucked in the head like I previously covered.

      I get some low level IBO's showing up here bragging about how much money they make but everyone in Amway is a liar so that's nothing new.

      Wow you got so far in 3 years! I'm amazed the Amway media machine isn't blowing this out their asses that this immigrant made it big in Amway and has bought millions of dollars worth of businesses, etc etc. Usually they're screeching this stuff everywhere they can!

      And why aren't you already retired? Surely you've got competent staff at all your businesses who can take care of things while the money rolls in for you?

      You're just a day's drive from me. I've got a friend in a nearby town that I can come over and visit. Tell us which McD's and we'll be sure to come over and say hi.

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    4. I have to agree with Theo, I have a different perspective though. I was in Amway back in 96 to 99. I never made much money because I never followed the system. I got in because a friend of mine was landscaping an Amway Emrald's house in my area. He is still my friend today and his upline Diamond is still living in Porter County and still has his plane, Cars, 1.8 million dollar home and even he admits that the downturn in the economy hurt his business. But the people like you Anna are just the type of people who are negative for your own reasons. I really just stumbled upon this blog but I took time out of my day to make a post. The things I learned from Amway I have always used in my everyday life. I dont regret the couple grand I spent over three years on functions, meetings and tapes. They teach you to keep positive, keep pushing to achieve your dreams, and to never quit. I know there are some greedy morons in the business. What kind of revelation is that I ask? That goes with any type of business. You do seem bitter for some reason. Let it go and quit wasting your time posting about a few bad people in a widely successful business that has been around longer than we have. I have had my own business for over 12 years and I am not rich but I am happy because I am my own boss. Its not about money Anna, its about having the freedom to choose your own hours and not answering to anyone. I hope you are doing that now. But from the sound of your post you are still stuck working for someone who you have to answer to. Just let go of whatever made you write this post and you will be better off down the road. Bitterness will eat you up.

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    5. Anonymous - you agree with Theo the lying little Amway ambot who shows up here pretending to be an executive diamond? Well Amway is a pretend business so those ambots can pretend whatever title they want to be. But really? You believe that lying sack of shit?

      And if you only spent a grand in 3 years in Amway you weren't really doing Amway, probably just helping out someone with pity purchases. These days Amway Ambots easily spend a grand a month on this scam. There's a lot of money lost and lives destroyed.

      Those motivational books and tapes you mentioned? You kind find better stuff free at the library or online. You don't have to pay some fucking asshole in your Amway upline $100+ a month for that shit.

      It looks like you're still brainwashed after all these years of being out. Amway is a blame the victim scam and you're blaming yourself (as brainwashed from your cult leader) because you didn't follow the system. The system that's designed for failure. Over 99% of IBO's don't make money at Amway.

      Hopefully you found a business with better odds than less than 1%. I know we did.

      Why do Amway ambots keep accusing me of having a job? Sure I work at our business and yes that technically means I'm a boss but I don't go around flaunting that in people's faces because I'm not an arrogant prick. What's so wrong with having a job? I'm glad the people who work for us don't have that attitude. I'm very thankful for our staff, without them I'd have to spend more hours working instead of going for lunch with friends and family, taking care of everything around the house, going to the Y, so I'd say my time is more or less my own except for when I go in to help.

      Oh and seeing as how I'm not in Amway - of course life will be better down the road! LOL!

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    6. Sorry for the late reply. But, perhaps Theo is still around to clarify his math. He actually did an amazing job supporting Anna's claim that Amway diamonds are full of crap or they are in a great deal of debt.

      So, Theo came here illegally and started his Amway business. By his admition, he's only been in that business 3 years. Astonishingly, he makes $300k on a bad year and $460k on a good year. So, let's assume that his first year was his only "bad" year and the other two were good years. So, Theo grossed $1.22 million over a three year period. Let's assume that he paid taxes (maybe he didn't since he's here illegally). Let's also assume he had some living expenses during that time. So, Theo took home some fraction of $1.22 million in that time.

      So how does a fraction of $1.22 million pay for 4 McDonalds franchises, 2 Denny's Diners, 1 Holiday Inn and 5 gas stations? How about the claim of 1,000 Apple shares. It could be possible that Theo had just purchased the share in a weeks before his post (after the 1:7 split that occurred on June 9th, 2014) which would have set him back about $93,000. However, if he were to claim that he owned the Apple stock for more that one month, he's saying that he purchased 1,000 shares of a stock whose value ranged between $300 and $600 per share over the three years that he's been in business. Let's just assume he purchased it over time at an average of $450 per share - so $450k out of his claim of making $1.22 million.

      Theo is either full of crap or Theo has a great deal of debt. His numbers and claims just don't add up. Maybe he really has those things and his debt will result in his retiring at 33 years old to his mansion in South America. I would lean toward him being full of crap, though.

      Being an employee working for someone else at $150k per year is a good place to be. Considering benefits like healthcare and retirement, the total compensation package likely approaches $200k. Anna, you are far better off than the average American. I find it hard to believe that there is a massive number of Amway folks doing that well. And, those that are doing that well are doing so at the expense of the poor folks duped into working below them. The company simply doesn't make that kind of margin on its products nor is there that much product being distributed. The diamond money comes from selling the "tools" that the lower level people think will get them "rich" too.

      Let's be honest. Nobody wants Amway's overpriced soap or shampoo. So, the real money is in selling the dream. Nobody is coming into any of Theo's four McDonalds franchises to buy a dream (or motivational CD about how you too can own a McDonalds). They want a product. And the McDonalds franchise owner makes their money on selling lots of product. Amway folks really don't sell all that much product. They do sell a lot of seminars and CDs though!

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    7. Sorry for the late reply. But, perhaps Theo is still around to clarify his math. He actually did an amazing job supporting Anna's claim that Amway diamonds are full of crap or they are in a great deal of debt.

      So, Theo came here illegally and started his Amway business. By his admition, he's only been in that business 3 years. Astonishingly, he makes $300k on a bad year and $460k on a good year. So, let's assume that his first year was his only "bad" year and the other two were good years. So, Theo grossed $1.22 million over a three year period. Let's assume that he paid taxes (maybe he didn't since he's here illegally). Let's also assume he had some living expenses during that time. So, Theo took home some fraction of $1.22 million in that time.

      So how does a fraction of $1.22 million pay for 4 McDonalds franchises, 2 Denny's Diners, 1 Holiday Inn and 5 gas stations? How about the claim of 1,000 Apple shares. It could be possible that Theo had just purchased the share in a weeks before his post (after the 1:7 split that occurred on June 9th, 2014) which would have set him back about $93,000. However, if he were to claim that he owned the Apple stock for more that one month, he's saying that he purchased 1,000 shares of a stock whose value ranged between $300 and $600 per share over the three years that he's been in business. Let's just assume he purchased it over time at an average of $450 per share - so $450k out of his claim of making $1.22 million.

      Theo is either full of crap or Theo has a great deal of debt. His numbers and claims just don't add up. Maybe he really has those things and his debt will result in his retiring at 33 years old to his mansion in South America. I would lean toward him being full of crap, though.

      Being an employee working for someone else at $150k per year is a good place to be. Considering benefits like healthcare and retirement, the total compensation package likely approaches $200k. Anna, you are far better off than the average American. I find it hard to believe that there is a massive number of Amway folks doing that well. And, those that are doing that well are doing so at the expense of the poor folks duped into working below them. The company simply doesn't make that kind of margin on its products nor is there that much product being distributed. The diamond money comes from selling the "tools" that the lower level people think will get them "rich" too.

      Let's be honest. Nobody wants Amway's overpriced soap or shampoo. So, the real money is in selling the dream. Nobody is coming into any of Theo's four McDonalds franchises to buy a dream (or motivational CD about how you too can own a McDonalds). They want a product. And the McDonalds franchise owner makes their money on selling lots of product. Amway folks really don't sell all that much product. They do sell a lot of seminars and CDs though!

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    8. An Ambot will never come back to clarify their "math". Because even they know it won't add up. Someone making the kind of money Theo claims would have to have thousands in in downline (and how he got that many in 3 years when most people will tell you that even getting ONE recruit is harder than hell because of Amway's bad reputation). And he'd have to be well known in Amway as one of the speakers in on the tool scam as well as talking at functions to all the brainwashed sheep. That's where diamonds get most of their money from.

      No, Theo is like so many other "fake it til you make it" Ambots who come in to defend their Amway god. Lying and bullshitting.

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    9. Yup the life of an Amway Ambot is to lie, deny, distract, defend, and then disappear.

      Though maybe that was Theo who popped in last week. After leaving 2 short insulting comments full of typos the 3rd comment was he's a triple executive diamond.

      The numbers any ambot throws out at you will never add up. Its all about confusing the victim tossing out numbers that sound good but in reality won't be. Its about the only thing taught at Scamway meetings.

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  2. Great job with this one Anna. All of the entries are great, but this one really can be a forefront entry. All of those people getting false hopes that one day they can live large thanks to this scam. It always amazed me how in the world can these so called "Diamonds" or "Emeralds" have so much money, yet need to have another job at least? I thought they were earning so much from this scam that they wouldn't need it. This is something many people need to know. I'm thinking about 95% - 99% of the people in this crap have other jobs. The idea was to reach a level where the scam would provide such a high salary that you don't need anything else and can have all the time in the world with massive money pouring in. Bullshit.

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    1. You got it Sprigsleg. Amway is all about selling the hope. And yup everyone in our upline to Emerald had jobs other than Amway. Well they'd need to. Amway is a very expensive social club! I don't remember any Diamonds working outside jobs but they sure had to hustle their asses working the Amway scam and bullying their downline to buy more buy more! Diamonds don't retire. They can't afford to or else it means going back to working a job as many have found out.

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    2. There is no problem with having another job with Amway, especially if you have a high paying career. If your career pays you 100k per year and you make 50k a year in amway, are you going to be complaining?

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  3. Hi anna. I think the 150 k is a gross figure. A diamond is constantly on the road so i expect expenses would eat up at least half that. And thats income for 2 people. So net its a small income. You wont buy much for cash on that. And it takes 10 years to qualify. In addition diamonds are unable to requalify so their income crumbles.its just impossible to keep 6 legs going. So i just dont see why anyone would bother.

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    1. Anonymous - I'm sure its a gross figure and its not the exact figure on Amway literature but its within a few thousand, I just like to work in round numbers. Don't forget the tool scam money. Diamonds speak at a few rallies a year even if they don't get one of the major functions. We always had to write our checks out payable to cash so the Diamonds could avoid paying taxes on it. Gross or net and with or without a few cash events Diamonds can't afford to live millionaire lifestyles on that income. Everything crumbles. People quit. People get fired. People have enough of the Amway bullshit. I'm sure our upline Diamond has a huge hole in his income these past few months after Amway fired our sack of shit Platinum. He defected to Monavie and took a lot of his downline with him.

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    2. Hi anna. Me again. Indeed they do get speaking fees. With so many going to functions this is surely nice income. But when the diamond falls out of qualification fees dry up. Its only the few legend high pins who managed to keep the bulk of tools money among themselves who make big money.

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    3. Anonymous - you and I might know this thanks to high level Amway IBO's who spilled their guts about the Amway tool scam but we'll never convince a brainwashed Ambot. Only a handful of Diamonds have kept their status and they have to keep working and speaking. The only ones who retire are the people who own Amway and their heirs. Everyone else keeps working the scam.

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    4. Your right, diamond don't requalify, but their bonus checks still come in ever month and year and their income actually grows because the real money in made in the depth of your business, not by how many legs you have.

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    5. Actually I'm wrong. Diamond are able to requalify.

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    6. You know what you are talking about Mr Darnell. Thank you for clarifying misconceptions about a legit business like Amway. It is noticeable that Mrs Banana post is biased with a lot of anger for an individual case. Thanks!

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    7. A reply backing Mr Darnell's views

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    8. Mrs Banana apparently did not do well with Amway. You have to work for your dreams. Team Global all the way!

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    9. Thanks for stopping by and proving that Amway is a blame the victim scam.

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    10. Amwayers use to say, once a direct always a direct. does this not also include "diamonds"? as in once a "diamond," always a?

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    11. Anonymous - when it comes to Amway, Diamonds are not forever! LOL!

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  4. Hilarious when i was reading this. Wonder how the wwdb cult leaders explain how they took 5+ yrs to get a new diamond.


    From one of ibofightbacks websites
    It's now official, Dean and Marcie Whalen in Edmonton, Alberta are now Diamonds in the World Wide Dreambuilders LOA in the Amway business.

    I believe it's been 6-7 years since WWDB has had a new Diamond and this is pretty awesome news. Word on the street is in a year and with their current business they will be founders Diamonds next year this time. They would be the first to do that since Brad and Julie Duncan went Founders Diamond.

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  5. I once was recruited for Amway, and even signed up for a few months. I immediately stopped when I found out my sponsor and his wife had been at it for a few years and were STILL working jobs! They of course made it seem like they were living the "dream."

    A few years passed and I had started my own business - something that actually created value in this world, when I ran into those sponsors. They had a proposal to make to me and I agreed to meet them for coffee. To my surprise they never talked about Amway in this coffee meeting and had proposed what we thought was a legitimate partnership with another business that they started. They invited me to a "marketing" conference, and told me some very successful "entrepreneurs" would be speaking. I thought I might learn something so I decided to attend. To my horror it was a Fu&^%&ing AMWAY rally. After the meeting, they asked me what I thought and I politely told them that I was not interested in Amway. They asked me if I wanted freedom and told me I would be an idiot to pass this "opportunity" up again. I told them to go F&@ck themselves.

    A couple years have passed since then and my business has outgrown their "dream" business ten fold and they are still slaving away, loosing friends, creating enemies and trying to recruit people who want to "live the dream." I don't think they get it.

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    1. Hi Anonymous. Thanks for sharing your story. Yup they all want to meet for coffee. Yup they don't say it's Amway. It's ecommerce or something like that. They all yap about freedom and dreams and how you'll be rich in 2 - 5 years even though the ones saying it have been in for a lot longer than that losing their money and pretending everything's going great. I'm going to repost your comments on an upcoming post because this is an older post and some people might miss what you have to say. I'm doing posts about how people are getting prospected by ambots so this will fit in nicely. Thanks!

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    2. Hehehe,
      I am about to go Diamond in only 3 years of hard work and dedication.
      How much I Love when skepticals turn out to be wrong :)
      Du, nu nu nu, nu nu, nu nu,
      Cant touch me.

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    3. You're wasting time, Anonymous! You should be out prospecting! After all, as we speak, IBOs in your team are leaving and you have to replace them, otherwise you'll drop out of qualification! So go, man, go!! You have no time to waste!!!

      ~Osuwariboy

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    4. Anonymous you come back and let us know how that goes.

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    5. Osuwariboy - he's being a bad little Ambot isn't he. Wait till the assholes in his Amway upline find out he was hanging here instead of prospecting unless he's so fucked in the head he thinks this blog is a good place to find prospects!

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    6. Funny. In a so called real job, you work every week until you retire at 65 or so.
      About 45 years of your life.
      And most people retire on the pension / social security.
      That makes working a great way to becone financially free!!

      With Amway, if it takes 10 years to get an income of $1000 a week, you are better off than traditional workers.

      So what if Amway people still have jobs. You do till you are 65.
      It takes time to build any business.
      And so what if Amway people are out building their business alk the time.
      You are for 45 years.

      I would rather the hope of an Amway business than the no hope of a job.

      Yes, there are very successful people working jobs but 95% of people are struggling.
      Amway is no different.

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    7. Alan - if you're putting all your hope in Amway then you have no hope at all. Look at the small print on Amway's literature where it shows that less than 1% make money. Reverse that to read over 99% failure rate. Surely you can find a business with a better success rate than that. And surely you can find a commissioned sales job that pays better than $10/month.

      Amway is very different. Its a system designed for failure. Have you ever taken a job anywhere else where your boss wanted you to fail? I doubt it.

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    8. I definitely agree 100% with Alan. If you are teamed up with the wrong people then you of course there is the chance of failure- say what you want. When you are Teamed up with the right team that actually cares about you, and builds your business because when you succeed then they succeed. It's a no-brainer . You Go 50/150 for 3 out of your first 6 months you get $50/per month that you do plus your regular business $'s you'll be around $60-$260/month that you do. Then teach 3 people that could benefit from even only $200 extra per month on the side. Help them do what you did in your first 3 months, go 50/150, then go Fast Track making between $500-1100/month with the fast track bonus and regular business $'s. I could go through the entire business plan. but the moral of the post is that if I help you make $4000/month The Amway corporation will pay me $850/month, now what is bad about that? When we build teams it's with people that want to grow and make a difference in there own and others' lives. That who i'm looking for and connected with. I feel bad for the people on here saying that they "TRIED" to work it, that means they never actually put the work in. It's like this, 5 seagulls are on a dock and one decides to fly away, How many seagulls are left?......5. Just because you decide to still doesn't mean you have flown away yet action brings results. Get out there, build your business. That's why there is a 90 day money back guarantee so you can't be out anything. As for the products 180 day money back guarantee, so nothing to lose everything to gain if you have a dream and want to make a difference in many lives. Are your families dreams worth it? Do you believe in yourself? Be bold and go achieve your dreams! You are worth it, and your family is worth it!

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    9. Anonymous - of course you agree with Alan. Both of you have been brainwashed to spout off the bullshit you hear from your Amway cult leaders. You probably would have better luck trying to sign up 5 seagulls to the Amway scam than you'd have signing up real people!

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    10. Amway is vastly different.. It is run by Criminals who never hesitate to knowingly STEAL from poor "saps," like me.

      I found a way using Amway to make literal millions of dollars and they STOLE all of it.
      By the way, they are NOT known to steal from those who are not on to something big.

      Check:
      http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/amway-quixtar-rich-devos-jay-van-andel/ada-michigan-49301/amway-quixtar-rich-devos-jay-van-andel-ada-michigan-robin-hoods-in-reverse-ada-mi-88617

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  6. Really interesting blog. I did Amway for a few months back in the mid 90s when I was in the Marines. One of my sergeants got into it and took a bunch of us to a rally at Long Beach, CA and it was all a big huge deal. I signed up and even tried to work it, but that wasn't good enough. I had to buy the tapes too. Not just buy them, but subscribe monthly for new tapes every month.

    THis was before the internet mind you. We had to go to these meetings every weekend. WHich was funny cause at the meetings they'd tell us we weren't recruiting enough people, but we had meetings like 3 days a week including all day saturday, and some sundays so I'm not completely sure when we were supposed to actually recruit. And yeah, it was weird and cult like "Tonight we get to watch Dave give the Plan!" Yes, it's the same fucking plan, that Bob, Steve, Al, and Jim have done the last several nights in a row.

    I quit it after a couple of months, and my Sgt. gave me all sorts of shit about it for months on end, how I was a loser and wouldn't amount to crap because I have no dreams and no initiative. He just found me on Facebook a few months ago, he quit Amway about a year later, never did make any money at it.

    I just started with a new MLM, I've been skeptical of MLMs for years after this. But I researched this one a lot, and it seems very solid. You never just "invite" someone for coffee. You actually tell them what you want to talk to them about and show them some videos online before having them over. Plus, if they just want to use the products and not do any selling, they can do that too. It has been much easier to work by far. And expectations are more realistic.

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    1. Hi Tim. Thanks for stopping by with your story. Things never change in Amway except with the Internet ordering now and getting shipped to the house instead of having to haul over to some upline's house to pick up your Amway shit. Ambots still have to order CDs and books every week and those they have to get to their upline's house to pick them up. How about they keep them cause it's going to cost more in time and gas money than what those brainwashing tools are worth!

      And don't get me started on those multiple weekly meetings where you hear the exact same thing you heard at the meeting before and the one before that and so on.....

      And the abuse you took after you quit is the same abuse everyone else gets too. Plus I get extra when I get Amway ambots showing up at my blog to tell me what they think of me like I haven't heard it a million times before from the assholes in our upline!

      Good luck with your new venture.

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    2. What if someone valued being around generally positive people?
      I have met 5 diamonds and I feel a peace I don't see from any employees.

      GOD BLESS

      ps. I'm Kyle

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    3. Kyle - subjective. You and I probably have different definitions of what we consider positive people. Some people think scammers are positive people, others not so much. I bet those Diamonds are gonna be hauling coal in hell and then we'll see how positive they are then!

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    4. Do you feel judging people and saying they will be in hell is appropriate? Typically that is not our decision to make for others.
      And I cover the blood of Jesus over the Diamonds I met right now. Until you feel Gods love, it may be hard to accept
      -Kyle

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    5. Kyle - Amway ambots judge everybody who is not in Amway so this is our little spot on the web where we can just people in Amway. Turn the tables and it really pisses off those arrogant Amway assholes! Being in the Amway cult is all about twisting the bible to suit the Amway cult leader's purposes. And absolutely those evil bastards who bring so much misery to other people's lives belong in hell. If you love Amway and the assholes in your Amway upline so much, boy did you pick the wrong place on the Internet to hang out! Ha ha!!!!

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    6. Kyle,

      2 Corinthians 11:14

      -Jerry

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  7. Haha all this negative talk is ridiculous. I guess haters will always hate. Not even accurate. This is called ignorance growing a mouth. Any one with and decency would look at this and see that these people commenting are either made up or are really not good people.

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    1. And Amway assholes are always going to lie and screw people out of their hard earned money. Guess you don't listen to fucking good to the assholes in your Amway upline who tell you not to visit negative web pages like this one and never speak negative. Thanks for leaving a comment and bumping my rating up higher on Google!

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    2. Made up? Like your Amway pipe dream?
      Haters always hate? Realists always face reality.
      Ignorance a mouth? Are you aware of what is going on in India right now with your supplier? Of course not, the information you are allowed to read is what has been given to you. Sheep.
      Decency? Accuracy? You cannot just dismiss the thousands of people who voice their grief with this business. One or two and maybe it is a fluke. THOUSANDS have spoken out over the years. There's no "New Amway" it is the same old story. They have you indoctrinated to think that everything you read on the internet is simply the opinions of simple minded slack jawed uneducated liberals who only want to live off of their government welfare program. Far from it.
      How voices will it take for you, and other IBOs, to stop blindly believing the people who profit off of your enthusiasm, and listen to those who have truly seen the problems.
      I'm guessing your involvement in this "opportunity" has been no longer than 2 years. The enthusiasm is still there. You think you are still fighting and working toward your future. you haven't lost hope. Maybe you have a decent downline that hasn't seen the light either. The glimmer of hope still exists. Come back after year 3, and 4, and 5, and let's see that fighting spirit. Show us how core you are. No excuses, never give in, never quit, prove the haters wrong. Show us your picture in Achieve Magazine, Diamond chaser. Come back when you can show us a picture of your Mercedes, and not someone else's. We'll be waiting.
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    3. @AnonymousJuly 9, 2013 at 10:40 AM

      First you have established that you are a ridiculous, ignorant hypocrite, not duplicating your upline nor following their instructions that you should not visit so called "negative" websites. You are not a good downline are you?

      Secondly instead of running your mouth uncontrollably why don't you rebut the issues raised by Anna or offer resounding evidence to the contrary?

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  8. LOLOL wow. Anna Banana's got wayy too much hate in his heart. Life is short and you spend it blogging and shitting on Amway because you're a failure. Hilarious.

    You're still angry about failing in Amway? How do you have so much free time on your hands?

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    1. Yes I'm a failure at lying, cheating, scamming people out of their money, brainwashing them, bitching at them to come to cult meetings and to buy overpriced shitty products. If those are things you're successful at then don't brag about it around here. At least we sleep at normal nighttime hours and not up at the wee hours of the morning trying to figure out how much money diamonds make. Talk about having free time on your hands!

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    2. 4:45AM Anon?!?!

      That's one hell of night owl to be fired up from.

      Back in July I posted on this topic, 2 comments up. Enjoy it, Sheep.

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  9. I have to admit, I LOVE THIS. My parents were Amway folks back in the late 80s and throughout the 90s, even into the early 2000s. As a 12 year old witnessing the early years even I had the common sense to look at this yahoos and think, "This is the biggest scam ever"! I grew to resent everything Amway, because my parent's life became consumed with it. They became broke and our family vacations were no longer vacations but these stupid "Functions". OHHHHHHHHH I HATE those FUCKING Functions. Seeing the greedy diamonds giving their bullshit speeches, I wanted to vomit. Again, this was now how I had to spend our family vacations as a teenager and to say it was hell would simply be an understatement. I even recall when diamond bitch brought her closet full of fur coats so we lowly people could try them on. I hissed at her because I belonged to Greenpeace (got my membership in 3rd grade) and the thought of the whole fur coat thing grossed me out, let alone, all these pathetic women clamoring to touch them. CRAZY!!!

    I'll never forget the "Book of Diamonds". I was so enamored with their houses and cars, but also how incredibly douchey and pathetic they all looked.

    Now the Internet has made it a more transparent society. I just wish this existed back in the late 80s and I wouldn't have to watch my parents spend tens of thousands of dollars on a lost dream. It's sad really.

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    1. Hi Anonymous. thanks for stopping by. I feel your pain and sorry you went through all this while your parents devoted their lives to Amway the cult of greed. I'm going to bring your comments up in a future post because this is kind of old and readers might miss it. I've had a few features this year from kids of ambots and the stories are so similar and always so sad what they went through. Glad you're enjoying the blog.

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    2. I can see my nephew saying this in a few years. No vacations, no socializing with normal people.

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    3. Anonymous - the good thing is 95% of Amway IBO's quit within 2 years so the average is on the side of your nephew. The only question is how much emotional and financial damage will Scamway cause before he quits. And yes when you're in Amway you are only supposed to socialize with other people in Amway because the rest of the world who aren't in Amway are losers and dream stealers and must be avoided according to the assholes in your Amway upline that is.

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    4. You just proved a point, 95% quit within 2 years. Everyone else is making something out of it. My upline has been in it for 2 years and there paying off all of their bills now. It wouldn't have been helpful if they quit now would it?

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    5. 90% of restaurants fail, and people lose hundreds of thousands of dollars, wiping them out financially. Do you bitch about how restaurants are scams? I mean, they all have overpriced food, when you could make a cheaper healthier meal at home right? The rich successful restaurant owners pay their waiters crap, and hire illegals, at substandard wages, to clean up at night. Restaurant owners are scum! Restaurants are Scams! They suck people money away and just make them fat with huge portions of junk. So where is your vile for restaurants, or are you one of those people, who give them your money? You support restaurants don't you? DON'T YOU? You're scum just like them.

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    6. Oh great another dumb fuck Amway ambot stops by. This blog is about cursing out the fucking assholes in my Amway upline and getting the word out about the lies and scams that Amway assholes use. Why the fuck would I blog about restaurants? If you feel that strongly about restaurants start writing your own blog but sorry I won't be by to read it because I just don't read things that I don't give a shit about. This blog is about Amway scum - like you!

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    7. Anna dear,
      You should see a councillor for your lashing out, anger issue.
      I was looking for info an Amway,
      Funny thing i realized I dont want to be Anything like you, your a real biatch by the way your are talking to people. Thank to your rude comments id rather be apart of Amway, atleast they have respect, values and know how to talk to others like grown, mature people.

      Thank you for allowing me to see how being someone like you would be the worst decison of my life.

      Amway here I come!

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    8. It's funny how some people go around not realizing that Anna's tone is actually intentional. Ah well, at least, she has proper spelling.

      ~Osuwariboy

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    9. Anonymous - you better go counsel with the assholes in your Amway upline. You're hanging out at this blog instead of worshipping and loving them and sucking their dicks off. Holy fuck are you ever a bad little Ambot!

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  10. Do your research amigos...Forbes.com #25 on the top 100 list...Net-work marketing is a legitimate business...Sears, best buy, Apple, Barnes and Nobles, Office Depot, Disney, and a total of 80 others are all partners with this so call scamway...If Amway is a scam then call the feds because this is the longest scam in the history of the U.S...54 years to be exact...I suggest you read books on the industry (Network Marketing) which has 52 billion dollars in revenue each year...Robert Kiyosaki wrote a book "The business for the 21st Century" also "School of Business"...Other books to get information on the industry "The New Professionals"...Donald Trump and Warren Buffet both have NETWORK MARKETING COMPANIES and they have BILLIONS of reasons as to why I stop and listen to them. Get information from legitimate sources...Or be negative and work for 40 years give your life and youth to some corporate pyramid where only the people at the top reap the big bucks and you do all the work...Listen you don't have to do network marketing to make your dreams come true that so TRUE but staying where you are is definitely NOT the answer. If you have capital to build a business then do so help the economy and build something of your own. Hope you all have much success in life.

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    1. Nothing wrong with network marketing.
      Most of those companies you listed, Barnes, Sears, and Best Buy are struggling right now and shutting down stores, they will take any hook they can get for extra cheap referrals to their business.
      It is not the partner sites that make Amway bad, its their IBO' actions IMO.

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    2. Anonymous - apparently life experience from people who lived through the Amway hell isn't good enough in person actually lived through it research. Of course not because people in Amway don't believe anything unless someone else in Amway says it whether or not it's true, Amway ambots parrot the Amspeak from these assholes.

      I've done enough research minimal as it may be that I have a good idea what will happen to a person if they jump onto the subway lines that I don't have to experience it firsthand and can draw on someone else's experience that they got themself electrocuted to death. You won't believe me cause I'm not in Amway so why don't you do your own research and jump on the subway line and see what happens.

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    3. What if staying where I am WILL fulfill my dreams? What if my dreams aren't as selfish and petty as the typical Ambot dream?

      As for Warren Buffett and Donald Trump: Warren Buffett does in fact own an MLM (let's call it what it is) but if you look into it, it is run much different from the one we are discussing, and he really isn't directly involved with it. He's not going out to conferences to give speeches. He's not selling pots and pans. Trump is really good at making money for himself so, he started his own MLM and placed himself at the top. If these two men had the blind faith that you and the millions or other sheep around the world do, wouldn't they just sign up in the same fashion you did? Start at the bottom? Work your way to riches? These guys are telling you to sign up for MLMs while they own them. This doesn't leave a funny taste in your mouth?

      -Jerry

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    4. It's funny how people will always look at a finished product and say that was easy our he's lucky. Kiyosaki was homeless for a while fighting for a dream. Trump has lost more money than most of us will ever see. my opinion is that they had a goal and despite sooooooo many people telling them they can't do it, you're crazy, just quit. look at any person with any significant success and you'll always here stories of people that Todd then to quit, but the common denominator with all successful people they ignored them and kept going. Thank you for this website,

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    5. Though this comment does not refute anything above...

      Poker is a phenomenal metaphor for this. The best poker players in the world don't play every card they are dealt. They recognize winning card percentages, cost to play, table volatility, sunk loss, emotions, tendencies of other players, and play their cards accordingly, separating themselves from pride and ego. Folding your cards does not entail 'losing' or 'quitting'. Yes, any hand you are dealt could be the one that wins you all the chips, but playing every hand like it is a flush straight will bleed your chips dry.

      Maybe Kenny Rogers put it best...

      -Jerry

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  11. I mean i guess you were in the business. heard all the "Motivational speeches". but did you act upon them? And look you're right Amway doesn't work. It doesn't have to its a private company selling top quality items and paying people to recommend them. But the business is real i know a guy who went from a pool clean-up to a diamond in 6 years. Diamonds don't make 150k...those are emeralds. Amway diamonds make 650k+ a year. but ypu wouldn't know..you're just here "being careful with your money"

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    1. Hi Anonymous - so you're saying that the literature that Amways head office sends out about expected compensation for a Diamond being around 150k is a lie? According to your figures? Shocking! You know the correct income and Amway's head office is way off base by a half a million. Thank you for stopping by and setting us straight. But what a dilemma. Who should we believe? Amway's head office or an Ambot?

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    2. Hey there Anna,

      You know, in this specific case, you don't have to choose who to believe because they're both correct in a way. Diamond do make 150K a year FROM AMWAY. However, let's not forget the money one makes selling books and CDs and tickets to various functions. This money doesn't come from Amway... so the company doesn't include it in their figures.

      But on this note, why don't you get a look at this website, it breaks up a diamond's revenue better than I ever could:

      http://www.cocs.com/jhoagland/tools.html

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    3. Tobbi - you are probably right. Diamonds have other incomes on top of their Amway income whether that means their share of the profits from the tool scam or other investments. They can't live an Amway Diamond millionaire lifestyle on only Amway income.

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    4. That 150k for diamonds you see is actually what's required by the federal trade comission. We're not suppose to show the real averages when we show the plan, people won't believe them.

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    5. Hold on Darnell, are you saying that your parent company doesn't provide full income disclosure of diamonds? Shouldn't the FTC know that they are LYING about the income of this opportunity?

      I call BS on this entire statement. The primary drive of recruitment is fulfilling dreams of insurmountable wealth. Being a millionaire. I've even heard IBOs discuss BILLIONAIREs they've met. How many IBOs have come in here claiming they know someone who makes "gazillions'?

      So are you telling us that diamonds make more? Sounds like a stronger selling point.

      Or is it less?

      Either way you are claiming that your parent company has not provided proper information to a governing body, and, based on how you say "we're not supposed to...", this is a taught practice within your organization, going up and down your line. Either you, and your organization are lying, or there is something much worse afoot.

      So, Darnell, is it WWDB? Network21? BWW? URA?

      Or are you going to run and hide, realizing you have made a dangerously invalid remark, with a face attached?

      -Jerry

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    6. You guys shut the hell up you all are broke and if you check the stats Amway is rated much higher than your jobs and it had help more people become financially free. How much have you or your jobs help to become financially free

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    7. Ironic that a fucking Amway asshole shows up on a post where we make fun of Amway assholes who go around accusing people in the same income bracket as their beloved Diamonds as broke losers and calls us broke. LOL! Do you stand up at Amway meetings and scream out at the Diamond "Shut the hell up you broke loser!!!!" No? Then why show up here and do it? The real broke losers are fucking Amway assholes.

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    8. "you are all broke". Love that brainwashing. They are all taught by their cult masters "everyone not involved with Amway are broke losers", which is ludicrous to anyone not brainwashed. They defend Amway as being a multi-billion dollar company, not taking into account that they got that rich off the backs of their poorly commissioned sales people self-consuming the horribly over-priced products and going out and recruiting others to do the same. But like any pyramid based upon recruitment and not selling products to an outside customer base, the only folks who have any hope of making above breaking even are a very small percentage (less than 1% by Amway's own literature) and they do that on the backs of people are recruited in and lose money hand over fist while being bullshitted with "you gotta hang in there, success is just around the corner" and "you just aren't working hard enough", neither which is usually true.

      Anyone can say "..it had help more people become financially free" without any actual proof or statistics other than that's what your upline told you. But then again, that's what everything in Amway is based upon. Lies, double-speak, "fake it til you make it", tricks and bullshit to reel someone in and get them plugged into the "motivational" (brainwashing) system to make them "dream" instead of THINK and do the math.

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    9. You said it Anonymous! At every Amway meeting the Ambots are brainwashed to believe that everyone who isn't in Amway and that would be the majority of the world, is broke. Its more likely that everyone in the Amway meeting is broke. So by Amway Ambot logic Donald Trump, the Queen of England, Bill Gates, Oprah, Warren Buffett, and Richard Branson are all broke.

      And what's with those ambots that show up here bragging about how much money Amway made in sales last year. That's good news for the owners of Amway but how does that affect their lowly paid commissioned salespeople.

      Ambots also show up here claiming that Amway has made more millionaires than Microsoft or Google of wherever but so far no one's shown up with a list of the millionaires for comparison.

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  12. Anna. How can you say 150 k is a nice income. This is gross. Deduct business expenses say 50 k. Or more. Pay income tax say 25 k or more. So you are left with 60 k say. For a couple. Thats 30 k. Each. Working 7 days a week non stop. Nonsense.

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    1. Hi Anonymous. It is a nice income for most people. For the tiny percentage of ambots who make it it's probably not so nice an income because they have to pretend they're living an Amway diamond lifestyle on low 6 figures and going into debt to fool their downline how rich they are. Is it worth working all those hours and going into debt to trick others and not having much $$$ to show for it? I'm with you. Nonsense.

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  13. I have a friend that's with Amway. He tried to get me to join a couple of months back to which I said no. He's not totally sold on it either. He goes to a lot of the conferences and weekly meetings and is actually doing pretty well which he thinks is just luck. I did my own research and i did find that yes some "diamonds" go broke by spending money that isnt there. I've also found out that by doing a lot day in and day out in getting people to buy or make connections for them to join is tough but they say is well worth it. My view on it: It can work if you put the effort and time in. But at the same time it's not for everyone. I do believe it takes the right people to go Diamond or Ruby or Emerald in the business. Is it a scam? To some maybe but from what I've read, I'm not convinced it is.

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    1. Anonymous - good on you for saying NO to Amway. As you've figured out its just a big game of make belief.

      The scam comes in due to the lies ambots tell about the compensation and how they hide how much money you really have to spend each month in Amway, a lot of it on the tool scam. The way to make money is selling CD's and tickets to functions. That's where the money is and the profits are only divided among a small group at the top of the scheme. If you come back, take a look at the links on the right side of this page. One is for a free ebook called Merchants of Deception and that will spell out to you exactly what life inside Amway is like.

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    2. Certainly everyone who visits this site needs to read Merchants of Deception. I found it when (probably in 1999) I was looking for the New Zealand Amway web site which, for some reason best known to themselves, was no longer amway.co.nz. It is now, of course, but then (if memory serves me right) it had more to do with the year 2000 than the name Amway. I was pretty shocked by this book, but all the questions I’d been asking myself (but didn’t dare voice to my upline) suddenly had answers that made sense. Personally, however (regardless of what I think of the Amway Corporation or the "tool scam") I have great admiration for anyone who manages to build a successful Amway business because the work they have to do is my idea of absolute hell. I sometimes wonder if it was for Mary Henderson (if not Tony) because, some time in the 90s when we were no longer in Amway, Mary’s secretary admitted that Mary had declared she was happy to stop where they were at the time (which I think was Double Diamond) because she was “sick of all the bloody hard work”. They couldn’t stop, of course. If they had their income would have gradually died off and they’d have lost their Double Diamond status. They wouldn't have sunk into poverty, though, because they'd wisely invested their income and (at l east while we were distributors) they didn't live a flashy lifestyle.

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  14. haha! this is halarious. It's so funny that you all still think it's a scam and it doesn't work. First, Diamonds make more than 150k. Diamonds really make close to 400k. And there are hundreds of new platinums each year. So while you all are taking about how it doesn't work, people are out here making it work.

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    1. WAKE UP DARNELL!!!!!!!

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    2. he is awake dipshit. Its called facts and people who ignore them are called ignorant

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    3. You need to counsel with the assholes in your Amway upline. You missed the part about how good little Amway ambots never say negative.

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    4. Anna Banana-There is no negative in this post of Darnell's.

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    5. Anonymous - you don't think Darnell its hilarious that many people have been financially and emotionally devastated by the Amway scam? Obviously we have differing opinions on what is negative and there's nothing wrong with having different opinions on that. Either way Darnell showed up here spouting off lies and bullshit, undoubtedly duplicating what he's heard from the fucking lying assholes in his Amway upline.

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  15. First of all Amway/WWDB is not a "get rich quick" scheme. You cannot expect to get "rich" overnight. That's not what it's about. It's called delayed gratification. Plant your seeds now for future benefit.
    Secondly, it says the average income for diamonds is $400k/year, but that the highest paid diamond was over $2.2mil.
    Lastly, everyone just needs to settle down. If it worked for you, great! If it didn't, then who cares? Get on with your lives.

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    1. That reminds me we should run the who cares post again. Perhaps someone has a link to Amway's literature showing this new amount that diamonds earn yearly. If its just word of mouth from some lying upline asshole we all know not to believe it.

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    2. Great Post, Anonymous. We were actively involved in the business for years and were greatly blessed in the relationships we have and the things we learned from our upline and all of the Diamonds and above from the seminars we chose to go to. Note that I said chose. The tools and seminars are a choice and are recommended because if you can learn from someone who has already been down a path not to go there, then it will save you time and money. The business isn't perfect because people aren't perfect. Greed and ego can lead people to make stupid decisions, that can hurt other people. That did happen in our upline and it affected our business and drive to even actively pursue it. Even with that I don't regret for a minute our involvement in the Amway business model and would encourage others to pursue it for the personal development alone.

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  16. Wow.... This is a great waste of everybody's time. Stop being so angry and focus more of your time on watching T.V and drinking before you have to go to sleep to make it to WORK tomorrow. ;) *ShakingMyHead*
    Mitchellinspiration.wwdb.biz
    Feel free to e-mail me with any assumptions and doubts about being an IBO, i would be happy to shatter your falsified assumptions. T.Mitchell@katewwdb.com

    Have a nice day;
    ~Tyler Mitchell~

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    1. Its a waste of time sharing our stories so others don't get sucked into the scam and go through the same financial and emotional distress. At least if people are watching TV they aren't losing money to Amway. Tyler we've heard all the brainwashed Amspeak before.

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      Why do you need us to email you our 'assumptions and doubts'?

      Join the open discussion, right here. We'd be happy to debunk your falsified assumptions.

      -Jerry

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  17. Yo. This article is insanely biased. Ive never been one to like amway, for the most part I do think its annoying but theres no denying thr fact that most of my family that came from a 3rd world country and were piss poor came up with this business with years of hard work and effort. 10 years isnt a long time to ask for when you can secure your future. Im pretty sure people who make the same amount of money spend 10 years in school. Amway isnt a scam. You cant expect to make it big without the hussle. No one is guaranteed 6 figure income just because they join. Thats a no brainer. Being an adult I figured you and others would have realized this. Its about the amount of effort you put into this business. You do get rewarded. Ive witnessed this my whole life. Family that lived in a rough area in chicago now own huge houses and cars INDEPENDENTLY because of their hard work in this business. Not everyone who signs up makes it, its all about how much effort you put. Nothing about it is a scam. Before you go running your mouth on something you dont know about try getting some real facts, not your biased opinion. The business is an opportunity, not a hand out.

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    1. I have a lot of ambots show up here and claim they have nothing to do with Amway and then bitch bitch bitch out comes the canned Amspeak.

      This is a blog, a diary based on personal experiences and opinion. Of course peoples personal experiences and opinions are biased based on their true life stories duh!!!!

      If you want unbiased look at the Dateline videos done by real reporters interviewing past and current Amway employees. The link is in the upper right hand side of this page.

      And no matter how hard you work in a system designed for failure you're not going to make money. Amway's own figures on their literature show only a small fraction of 1% IBO's make money. Thats over 99% failure rate according to Amway what kind of business opportunity is that. Scam! Only the most aggressive liars and scammers make money.

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    2. If you are so proud of your family's accomplishments, we'd like their names, please. Surely they are on the tape list, right? Also, please don't bother to reply without all their Schedule C's attached, O.K.?

      I'm always amused that it's someone's 'relative' or 'friend' or 'co-worker' or what-the-hell-ever that they know. The friend of a friend of a friend of someone's uncle cousin Larry or something. Well, if it's so great, what the hell are you waiting for? Dang, sounds like a sure thing to me.

      Cassette Tape

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  18. 68 cents on every dollar is paid back to distributors. those who drive the most volume make more money no matter, age, race, religion, or background. Diamonds living in parents basements... lol. The diamonds I know built a house on their property for their parents. No critic or blogger in the history of humanity has impacted people in a positive way. Its a good thing people like you exist, every success story has haters.

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    1. And thats why Amway products are so fucking expensive. Everyone upline earns commission while the lowly IBO at the bottom of the pyramid did all the work to make that sale.

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  19. When a Diamond dies, he can look back on his life and say, "Ive helped thousands of people make extra money and accomplish their goals though free enterprise and universal success principles and generated economy for this country" When Anna Banana dies, she will say.. "I was a cunt that liked to blog that never helped anyone. you call people in Amway stupid but the real idiots are the people that listen to you"

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    1. Diamonds look back and say look at all he people I fucked over to get rich. Look at all the people who I helped destroy marriages and brought financial and emotional distress to their lives. Thats something i'll never be able to say.

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  20. Amway people are liars. I hate all of them

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    1. Yup that pretty much sums up Amway ambots!

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  21. I just thought I'd share this Link showing Amway's Sponsorship's, Amway has sponsored the Miss America Pageant(Not any more), Amway Coaches Poll powered by USA TODAY Sports, Amway Center. Take a look.

    https://www.amway.com/about-amway/campaigns-and-sponsorships/sponsorships

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    1. Anonymous you should check out our recent post about how Amway ambots claim Amway never advertises. Miss America takes on paid sponsorships as do other pageants as do many others that have nothing to do with pageants. You really think anyone that reads this blog is going to look at an Amway link? Around here we're not dumb fucks who go around reading stuff that doesn't interest us or might otherwise piss us off.

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    2. I am showing the people that are actually wondering if half the stuff you say is true or not some evidence of who we actuall work with

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    3. Anonymous - seeing as how this blog is devoted mostly to making the Amway upline look like a bunch of fucking assholes, your opinion might differ. You might love the fucking assholes in your Amway upline so much that you'd be happy to suck dick and kiss ass. Why don't you show them the Amway printed literature you have to show all prospects. You know the one with all the circles drawn on it and it shows how much money you'll make if you find 6 people who do what you do (suck dick, kiss ass, buy hundreds of dollars in shitty overpriced Amway products each month - not easy to find these people by the way!) and they find 6 people and they find 6 people...... But to hell with all that. Look at the small print where it shows how much Amway Diamonds make each year. And the small print that shows the small percentage of 1% of IBO's who make money at Amway and ask them about that. Its printed out on Amway literature in black and white. Amway wouldn't print it out if it wasn't true, would they? The assholes in the Amway upline will start screeching about never question upline and give you some bullshit that what's printed there is only "guidelines" and the real money runs in the gazillions of dollars rolling in each month. You decide whether or not to believe the assholes in your Amway upline or what Amway has in the small print of their own literature. No skin off my ass if you choose to believe a bunch of scamming lying Amway assholes or believe those who've lost money thanks to this scam.

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  22. Anna, my friend invited me to an E-commerce meeting with over 2,000 people. I showed up an hour late and I was shocked to find out that my friend sucked me into an Amway meeting like a blind vortex. I open mindly listened and quickly got bored. So, I jumped on the internet on my smart phone and did some research. I ran across your amazing blog. To you I personally say "Amen Sister!" You are right on to the tee of your critical assessment of Amway. I am texting you "live" from this bull shit praise meeting that makes me want to VOMIT. In a strange way the woman speaker is so wacko Amway no brain that I keep listening in disgust. It's like a stinking movie like the Postman by Kevin Kostner that I just can't turn off. My take away message is that anybody can start a legitimate E-commerce by simply googlinng Wikipedia E-commerce and start meaningful old school relationships with clients without scaming and degrading people in a mentally sick way. Lol...Amway Ambot so called geniuses, Diamonds whatever....please slam my text because I don't give a shit and won't respond....lol

    AMWAY = ARROGANT MATERIALIST WICKED APES YAHOOS

    I am not saying don't join Amway. I am saying for myself, I was taught and have higher business ethics then Scamway.

    Living my own dream, Freddy

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    1. Hi Anonymous - the only way ambots can sucker prospects into attending an Amway meeting is by lying that its some other kind of meeting. Calling it an e-commerce meeting is probably the oldest trick out there. Wonder what those ambots did in the days before the Internet!

      Live from an Amway meeting! I think that might be a first around here! Get suckered into a Scamway meeting, pull out your phone and surf right over here. Like you didn't have a better way to spend a Friday night! Or any other night.

      Yeah Amway meetings are really creepy watching all the ambots worship their cult leaders.

      And no, you should say don't join Amway. Amway only brings you a life of misery, debt, and destroyed relationships.

      Glad you saw through those lying bastards.

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  23. Hey I'm the last dude who wasted my life reading this blog so far :D
    Just take a minute and think carefully guys, would you guys listen to a person speaking tons of bad words or a person speaking nicely? It is obvious that Anna is throwing his/her assumptions here and there and the only way he can evaluate Amway is by calling it names or using foul languages :D I believe you have better things to do with your life other than just sitting here replying everybody for more than a year Anna, let's not reply to me or anybody else and start to enjoy your life

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    1. You're a dickhead

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    2. Hey Anonymous - you're not a dude you're a prude. That's one of the requirements to being in the Amway cult, becoming a prude.

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    3. Anonymous - you're too kind when you call him a dickhead! LOL!

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    4. Of course, like any brainwashed Ambot, this guy just sees the "insults" and "foul language" and totally skips over the TONS of articles and posts going into great detail of WHY Amway is a losing "opportunity", a mathematical dead-end pyramid where only less than 1% of people make any kind of profit, and which is why it is based on "dreams" and not reality.

      Facts are not "assumptions".

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    5. Anonymous - Amway ambots are brainwashed not to believe anything that doesn't come from the lying mouth of an Amway cult leader. But they like to show up here and show their outrage that people are getting the truth out there of the financial and emotional distress Amway brings to their lives.

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  24. could you explain more about amway. I feel almost certain that it is a pyramid scheme that has only existed through a legal loophole (selling products)

    A guy i know is currently trying to get me to join Amway.. now my question is why these people are so focused on gaining more downlines when it seems they could make good profit just by selling products at markup. the same guy thats trying to get me to join amway tells me that he buys lip gloss from amway for 10$ and resells it to people for 20$. Now that might be a ripoff but that part of it at least isn't necessarily scamming (20$ is the retail price of the lip gloss and he buys it discounted due to being part of Amway and paying fees for that).. now.. after all of that.. he still is begging me to join Amway.. there is something I am not being told here. I don't understand why getting new people to join is so much more important than just selling products. That is a big red flag.. but do you know how it works? Do they get commission every time they get a new person to join? Theres got to be something more than just commission.

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    1. Anonymous - I think you've figured it out. Amway is constantly associated with being a pyramid scheme, a cult, and selling overpriced shitty products. Like you said big red flags.

      Look further up on the right side of this page under Amway related links. There is a link to a free ebook called Merchants of Deception. Read that and it'll answer all your questions. Hope you're into horror tales!

      Run, don't walk, as far away as you can from anyone in Amway. They're only out to bring misery to your life.

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    2. The big reason it smells so much like a pyramid scheme is because, despite loopholes, that is what it is. The don't concentrate on selling the products. Why? Exactly as you mentioned. Sure, nice mark-up for the lipgloss. But... who the hell pays $20 for lipgloss? Heck, who pays $10? I can get good namebrand lipgloss for much less in local stores. This is why the main "consumers" of Amway products are the "recruits". THAT is why they are so hot on recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. Because for everything those recruits buy the Ambots get a tiny percentage. And when I say tiny, I mean spending hundreds in the Amway "dream" and getting small $10 checks back from Amway. Woo hoo! Flush that job! The amount of people each Ambot would have to have under them is prohibitively large to make any profit at all. I say "prohibitively" because even getting ONE recruit is difficult. Most people's bullshit alarms go off, and even ones that sign on out of pity end up bailing if the brainwashing doesn't take hold and they do MATH and see they are going to keep on losing money forever in Amway.

      Any "business opportunity" that encourages it's recruits to not look at numbers but instead to "dream dream dream" is a red flag. The old Wizard of Oz "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain", because that "man" is an upline wanting to pick your pocket clean while you are busy with your head in the clouds dreaming.

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    3. Anonymous - I'm with you. $20+ for lip gloss?!!! Less than $5 for a good name brand at the drugstore. And lots of different varieties to choose from. But yeah its a nice mark up if you can brainwash Ambots to buy it !

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    4. Hey anonymous and anna
      Are any of you single

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    5. Fuck Scamway

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  25. Hi Anna. It didn't let me reply to my other comment so im posting a new one.
    Anyway, the lipgloss he gave me was kind of cool. It lights up and stuff.. and has a mirror on it. I don't really check out lip glosses much so idk if the retail value is appropriate. Anyway, yeah so he gave me a lip gloss sample to show to girls to try to get them to purchase lip gloss. I dont plan on giving it back to him since he gave it to him. And i know it costed him like 10 bucks for it haha..
    Also, they did give me a protein bar sample which they said costs 3$ per bar. Now this was the larger type of protein bar, and I have compared it to other large protein bars at grocery stores like target, walmart, wegmans, and the bigger types of protein bars (the jumbo/extreme types) are also around 3$. so it doesn't seem like the protein bar price at least is unreasonable.. so i still feel like there is more to this scam that I dont understand. The amway guys I know told me the amway downlnes can purchase the protein bars for 2$ each and sell for 3$ each.. that seems like some good profit if you get a lot of customers ordering bars every month.
    Also, the guys that tried recruiting me told me that there is a 90 day money back guarantee. They told me I could join Amway and if i dont like it I could leave within 90 days and get my money back.. i feel like thats a lie.. it has to be. Have you heard about that

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    1. Hi Anonymous. Yeah sometimes Blogger has its glitches. Sometimes I've written a post and then off it goes into the twilight zone.

      Lip gloss that lights up or the container it comes in lights up? I can see how that would cost extra but is it viable in the market place. How many women out there would buy such a product?

      Yeah I'd say keep it. I wouldn't want to get back an already used container of lip gloss. Or any other kind of makeup!

      Oh yeah those Amway bars are expensive. $3 per bar seems on the low side. Closer to $5 is more like it but you can't buy them just by the bar. You got to spend $30 to buy a box of them. At least at Walmart and the other stores you can buy a single protein bar without buying a box of them. And they taste better. Amway's are like chocolate coated cardboard. And I'm talking a low quality chocolate. You know like the chocolate that comes in those calendars this time of year that you can buy for under a dollar.

      I thought it was a month to get your money back but maybe it is 90 days. Yeah the smart people who quit almost as soon as they sign up can get a refund. People get caught up in the hype of an Amway meeting, sign up, pay, go home and research it on the Internet and go holy shit this is a cult and a scam and get out right away too.

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  26. I just get the sense that you are really pretty

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    1. Well you know what they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

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    2. So please give us some hints like describe yourself or something.

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  27. If Amway is such a great opportunity, why don't Amway distributors prospect people by saying "I am involved in Amway would you like to go with me to an Amway meeting"? Instead it always " I am involved with a (fill in the blank) company. I have yet to have someone tell me that they were involved in this great transportation company and then have it turn out to be a Toyota salesman trying get me to buy a car.

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    1. Anonymous - your way is the honest way. Can't say Amway and honest in the same sentence can you without laughing! LOL!!!! Ha ha ha ha haha ha ha!!!!! Ambots have to lie otherwise they can't scam prospects into coming to an Amway meeting. They figure once they get the sucker there and get them in front of their Amway cult leader they'll want to sign up so they can spend more time with that bastard.

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  28. Anna...

    Huge problem..... I've fallen in love with a woman in Amway. She is great and of course you and I both no Amway is not. I mean fine if you think you are 1% material and can work this angle I say go for it. But there is no way I am going to put my effort into something with such low odds of success. I am really afraid the the brainwashing will lead to us splitting up. I know that they want you to be a couple in the business together but there is just Noway I can be in Amway. Doesn't speak volumes that the cult would as you to forsake someone you love to remain in the cult?

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    1. My wife is with Amway too. It takes a special kind of person to be able to deal with an IBO for a spouse because any form of argument against their god will be ruthlessly destroyed. Also, don't you dare question product prices or quality or question anything at all for that matter. It's their way or nothing at all.

      My wife is a brilliant artist who could flourish so well on her own making and selling small crafts... but then "she'd be the system" and "everything would depend on her". She'd rather "work Amway for a few years and then spend the rest of her life casually making jewelry and stuff"

      I hate them... I hate them more than I ever hated anyone in my entire life for what they did to her. So yeah... be prepared for quite a ride because it's far from being easy living with an IBO.

      Osu

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    2. Anonymous - I'm sorry to hear you're falling for a women inside the Amway cult. Your story is starting to become more common in the past couple of years where its a woman ambot instead of the more traditional male ambot.

      You have the good sense to see a "business opportunity" where less than a fraction of 1% of the participants make money (read the small print on Amway's literature) is a system set up for failure.

      And sorry to say what you've suspected will happen - the assholes in her Amway upline will do everything they can to convince her to break up with you. Nothing brings those Amway assholes more happiness than destroying other people's relationships. They are sick bastards on so many levels. Bring emotional and financial devastation to everyone they touch.

      This is typical cult behavior. No matter what cult she signs up with, the cult leaders do not want their followers in relationships (friends, family, significant others) who are not members of the cult. That's because they are people who might be able to reason and convince their loved ones that the cult leaders are only interested in using them for their money.

      Good luck with that. She loves and worships her Amway cult leaders more than you so they'll probably convince her the right thing to do is end the relationship. Depends how long she's been inside the cult. Most ambots start to think about quitting in 6 months when they're not making money. 95% quit (Amway's figures) within 2 years of signing up.

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    3. Wait a minute. Osu? Did you get married? Aren't you the same guy who was here a year ago with a girlfriend ambot? In which case you married into the Amway cult knowing you'd have a rough ride ahead of you. And shouldn't she be about quitting now due to no Amway income? Those bazillions of dollars in residual income from Amway should be rolling in every month at the 2 year mark, and she should be about 2 years in now if memory serves correctly.

      We had a post up a few weeks ago featuring someone selling her homemade items on Etsy and earning around $60,000/month. If your wife is an artist you'd think she could switch over to sell her wares on Etsy. Even if she only makes one sale a month she'd still be making more money than she would in Amway.

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  29. You are so beautiful anna

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  30. Amway Diamonds made only $150,000 a year in 2013? We were told in the mid eighties they earned $100,000. In fact fact, I think they probably earned no more than $30,000 then. The rest they got from selling business tools (supposedly at cost; that is certainly what they told us). I remember looking at the tapes, which cost $5-6. "This cheap thing wouldn’t be worth more than $1, probably less if bought in bulk," I told myself. "It must cost them a FORTUNE to have them recorded and copied." But of course it didn't. Some mug downline from the Diamond distributor is expected to do the work free. Then there were the books, all of which were priced at what they'd cost in a bookshop. But our Diamond distributors, because they bought in bulk, would have been given the same discount as a bookshop. That's 40%. A nice profit when you don't have bookshop overheads to meet. My complaint where Amway is concerned is that they turned a blind eye to what is, in essence, downright stealing, making them "accessories after the fact” as a court of law would call it. It’s really sad that a manufacturer of good products is quite happy to see its reputation get flushed down the sewer.

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    1. I think in Merchants of Deception, or maybe just by general knowledge, those tapes cost 50 cents to produce so there's lot of money to be made by selling them for $5+ to ambots. Bootlegging tapes.

      Amway does piss all when you complain to them about the upline or the various cult sects. Their solution? Talk it over with this person. Uh you dumb Amway fuck you want me to talk it over with the person I've just phoned you to complain about it. Yeah that'll get me somewhere. Turn a blind eye, whatever, Amway does not sell good products and doesn't have a good reputation so seeing its reputation constantly flushed down the toilet is something head office is well accustomed to. And yeah most of the bad reputation is because of the antics of their commissioned saleforce and the various cult sects Amway allows to operate.

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  31. I get from the blog description that you are married to an Amway IBO,the question is are you still married to him despite the fact you hate what he is doing that much , I read your blogs and i cant seem to understand why are you hating that Amway cooperation that much , did they like rip you off and didn't give you what you paid for or was your husband so busy in it and did not give you much time , please elaborate more .

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    1. Pay attention we got out of Scamway years ago. He is no longer involved in lying and scamming people. Not that he had any success with it when we were inside the Amway cult! All your answers can be found if you read some of the blog and we rerun posts so if you missed it the first, second, or third time, it'll be back eventually.

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  32. Ambit ambot treky gamer softball ballet wrestling scandal housewives of any city MLB nurses doctors attorneys teachers bus drivers painters janitors housekeepers air force sergeants college drop outs home wreckers divorcies engineers police officers ceos bankers hobos toilet cleaners garbage men truck drivers golfers successful failures sanguine shy opinionated blind crippled old young retired teens cashiers chefs ushers couple singles homosexuals tourist pilots greeters cloth folders designers tech gurus architects painters carpenters candle makers sales men machine operators gymist personal trainers secretaries managers call center workers horse riders sailors fishers skiers dancers.

    Will all find they're way no matter the vehicle. This is just sad ambitious or not. No praying required just think about it no one knows anyone here but we all know people who enjoy they're journey and we all know people that hate they're journey 95% percent of people are seeking solutions 5 percent are excited to join a ranting bunch. Hence this blog doesn't take long to read guess not many commenting parties. Don't worry just curious I won't be back to respond. "Everything is awesome"

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    1. Put this into Google Translate and even it shrugged it's shoulders in confusion.

      I think this is yet another brainwashed Ambot assuming anyone who shines a light on the lies and deceit of the Amway SCAM/pyramid are just a bunch of folks who prefer to "rant" instead of find solutions. The point of this blog is to show that Amway is NOT a solution, it's a money-losing cult that MAKES problems for people, not solve them. With a 99% failure rate no one who isn't brainwashed and have looked into the math of this "opportunity" could possibly call it a solution to anything other than further enriching a tiny portion of folks at the top of the pyramid.

      But Anonymous can go right on "faking it til he makes it" and thinking "everything is awesome" as month after month goes by and he slips deeper and deeper into debt while his upline lovebombs/abuses him and tells him "you can't quit now, not when success is just around the corner. I can feel it!"

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    2. Anonymous - 95% of people are seeking solutions to what? Ambot genocide? The only 95% I know of in Amway is that 95% of IBO's quit within 2 years. The other 5% will be broke losers forever except for a tiny percentage who are the best liars and the best scammers and have no morals and conscience and they will make some money at Scamway. This blog doesn't have many comments? So says you on a post with over 100 comments. There are over 10,000 comments left on this blog over the years. Sorry it doesn't meet your high standards.

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    3. 2nd Anonymous - yeah what the fuck was that gibberish? The latest bullshit Amway Amspeak propaganda.

      Yup one of the biggest lies Amway Ambots spout is how everything is awesome. I fail to see how financial and emotional distress is awesome but then I don't meet this ambot's high standards.

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  33. urgent..............i want my ex lover back he is leaving
    me not calling or texting, he is not even responding to me
    anymore. i don't know what to do i am completely outta my
    mind i am just crying all day long>>>>>>>>>>if i don't get
    him/her back i will end my life.........PLESAE save your
    strenght you don't have to commit suicide to get your ex
    it's will not even bring him but rather makes you a big
    fool...........now you have mother of the world sunlight
    daugther of jai mata durga,,,,,,,,,,,,WHAT ever that you
    sunlightspell@gmail.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
    husband broken up our marriage he wrote divorce and we
    divorced 2and 4months ago just last week i contacted sunlight
    because everyday i dream of him as i love so him much last
    week ago i contacted sunlight 3days of it my husband came back
    after the casting of the charms has been and we settled again
    right now we are living together>>>>>>>>>>>pls worry not your
    self because she is her to help you in what so ever that you need.
    thanks to you mother of the world glory be unto your name woman
    of powers'''''''''''i love you

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    1. Vicky - are you trying to tell us your ex-lover is a lying cheating scamming Amway Diamond and you want that fucker back?

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  34. urgent..............i want my ex lover back he is leaving
    me not calling or texting, he is not even responding to me
    anymore. i don't know what to do i am completely outta my
    mind i am just crying all day long>>>>>>>>>>if i don't get
    him/her back i will end my life.........PLESAE save your
    strenght you don't have to commit suicide to get your ex
    it's will not even bring him but rather makes you a big
    fool...........now you have mother of the world sunlight
    daugther of jai mata durga,,,,,,,,,,,,WHAT ever that you
    sunlightspell@gmail.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
    husband broken up our marriage he wrote divorce and we
    divorced 2and 4months ago just last week i contacted sunlight
    because everyday i dream of him as i love so him much last
    week ago i contacted sunlight 3days of it my husband came back
    after the casting of the charms has been and we settled again
    right now we are living together>>>>>>>>>>>pls worry not your
    self because she is her to help you in what so ever that you need.
    thanks to you mother of the world glory be unto your name woman
    of powers'''''''''''i love you

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    1. "if i don't get him/her back i will end my life....."

      What, so you can't even tell if your ex lover is a man or a woman? If that's the case, scammer, then maybe you SHOULD do us all a favor and end your life and stop scamming folks with the phony "spellcaster" bullshit.

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    2. There seems to be a lot of this going around lately. I'm confused if your ex-lover and your ex-husband are the same person and how a lying cheating scamming Amway Diamond fits into the equation.

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Comments are moderated but we publish just about everything. Even brainwashed ambots who show up here to accuse us of not trying hard enough and that we are lazy, quitters, negative, unchristian dreamstealers. Like we haven’t heard that Amspeak abuse from the assholes in our upline!

If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:
1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.
2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.
3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.
4. Gossip that serves no purpose. There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why they’re getting divorced. If you absolutely must share that here – don’t name names. I get too many nosy ambots searching for this. Lets not help them find this shit.
5. Posting something creepy anonymously and we can’t track your location because you’re on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. I attracted an obsessed fan and one of my blog administrators attracted a cyberstalker. Lets keep it safe for everyone. Anonymous is OK. Creepy anonymous and hiding – go fuck yourselves!
6. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.
7. Posting bullshit Amway propaganda. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. Otherwise take your agenda somewhere else. Not interested.
8. Notice how this blog is written in English? That's our language so keep your comments in English too. If you leave a comment written in another language then we either have to use Google translate to put it into English so everyone can understand what you wrote or we can hit the Delete button. Guess which one is easier for us to do?
9. We suspect you're a troublemaking Amway asshole.
10. Your comment got caught in the spam filter. Gets checked occasionally. We’ll get to you eventually and approve it as long as it really isn’t spam.