Thursday, November 21, 2013

Be An Amway Gazillionaire In 2 – 5 Years!

A reader shares their story. And haven’t we all heard this story. Why does everyone have a bunch of assholes in their Amway upline who are always so busy but they’ll squeeze out some time to fit you in and expect you to kiss their ass. Could have been sitting there in Coffee Bean…..

Lol, so yesterday my friend called me to schedule a meeting today. I asked her the things like how much she is paying for tools ($100 per month), how much is her total expense far, and how come this business does not have a normal plan, projection, etc like a normal business. I think I should give up on my friend coz she answered me like a robot. She mentioned all of her expenses she does not consider them as expenses, but rather as investments. Mind you my friend background is accounting, so it rather confused me. As far as accounting goes, if you don't put it as expense, you can only put the costs as assets, but you can't put those kind of stuffs as assets coz they're literally worthless.

So, today I met her Emerald upline at Coffee Bean (something like Starbucks). I didn't know I was going to meet this Emerald, as previously my friend said I was going to meet his wife or what. Then 15 minutes before scheduled appointment she messaged about this Emerald shit giving me time despite his busy schedule, and I immediately mentioned I will be late when I could've made it in time. I was trying to look whether this stupid Emerald is really as busy as he says (I think not). I arrived 20 minutes late and the sack of shit hadn't arrived yet lol. Mind you our "short" time of discussion lasted for like 2 and a half hours coz the Emerald is damn busy.

The person started giving usual bullshit of 2-5 year, 10hrs/week and I can get $10,000/month as passive income. Then he explains his statistics of 1,000 sample size is big enough to represent the whole population. I told him straight away that I've never heard those theory before and my background is Mathematics. He gave me some stupid excuses, then continue with usual Amway does everything for him, so he can concentrate on sales. Yeah, true Amway does everything for him and charge him a huge margin on their products. In the meantime he kept telling me accounting is shit and waste of time, knowing full well that I do account in my current company. If accounting is shit probably Amway should ditch it as well and pay those diamond and emerald anyhow they want hahaha ...

He also said when he went to Emerald function in Los Angeles last year, there were few thousands of people (he mentioned only 3,000 at first, but later didn't want to be specific). I later asked him how many people are in Scamwork 21, which he answered few hundred thousands. Lol, so the foolproof system only has success rate of around 1%? And they still want to tell me it's 100% success rate?

We then proceeded to compensation plan, which he explained to me in details coz I pushed really hard on that. My conclusion is, if he only has 3-4 legs at Platinum, his "passive" income should not be at $10,000, but more like $3,000 to $4,000 gross even with the bonus. What a fucking liar shit Emerald. He mentioned he has lots of downline at 3% so he can earn another 18% on them. No shit, the downline at 3% probably only spend $400 max per month, so he got like $72 from each of them. And I really doubt he has lots of 3% downline. 3% downline probably already quit after long time not making money, but losing money for buying shitty products.

We then moved on to what they call CEP, which basically means subscription of stupid ass cd and books, and functions. They dare to tell me first that they sell those tools at costs, then when I pointed out to them, cd don't cost $6 to make. You can buy blank cd at $0.10 or maybe less. With the production costs and freight, I doubt that cd costs more than $2 per piece. Not to mention the book they lent to me costs like 5 times of Amazon's price. They then changed their tune that it is a for profit organization, need to pay office rent, employees, etc. They also said it's not about the costs, but about the quality. Wow, what is the difference in quality between the very same book from them (at $10) and from Amazon (<$2)? They then mentioned about my college degree and investment on it. Excuse me? College degree is something with value, something that is required by a lot of company to get a decent job. It's not a useless shit of cd and functions with no contents.

I tried to close the discussion by saying I can't agree with the system that benefits from its member by a lot (basically saying it's a scam). And wow, they are very persistent on me trying some more cd and books or some of Amway products. I told them I don't want to waste time on overpriced products and that I hated those cds, can't stand listening to other cd anymore, the cds are useless and give nothing beneficial. Then they tried to force me to listen to other cds coz they have few millions of cds (OMG! are you kidding me?!?!?!?!?!). I almost rolled my eyes coz $4x(few hundred thousand of members)x (few million cds) = gee no wonder Jim and Nancy Dornan and those asshole Diamonds are rich. So, I flat out told them no, no , no and NO! Yet they still tried to sold me so I just told them I won't change my mind no matter what and that their system is shit (and implying it's a scam) haha ... I think I should be free now from them. Hurray!


  1. Yeah they are persistent buggers.

    I too am an accountant and unfortunately I joined for the whole 2 days. I would never have joined if I saw the prices that IBO pay for their products, still expensive as hell.

    1. Rbot - they're like cockroaches. Just when you think you killed it it comes back to life. I wish we'd gotten out after 2 days.

  2. What to say at the end of a long meeting being recruited: forget logic. They have an answer for everything. Your best option is to mess with them and have fun. Short and sweet.

    "You took 2.5 hours to say what you could have said in 30 minutes. I don't think I can work with someone who is so unfocused."

    "Why did you not trial close me? Don't you know anything about sales?"

    "Why do you insult the people that you are trying to recruit? Do you think this is a good way to sell yourself? How is that working for you?"

    "That suit you're wearing…isn't that what funeral homes use to dress dead people?"

    "Is that tie a clip-on?"

    "I'm not sure I want to take such a big pay cut to work for you."

    "Can I see your Schedule C for last year?"

    "My goal is to be a successful accountant. You said accounting was shit. Are you a negative dream stealer?"

    "That car you're driving…is it safe to drive on tires when you can see the steel belts underneath the rubber? Is that a coat hanger holding up the muffler?"

    "It's not Amway, it's you. I don't like you. You are flotsam in the sea of life. Is there another Emerald you can refer me to?"

    "Why aren't you buying any coffee? This is a coffee shop. Are you out of money?"

    "No really, can I see your Schedule C?"

    "Can I call you Beavis?"

    "Why don't you just make mp3s out of the CDs, then let me download them for free? You want me to succeed, don't you?"

    "I tried the Perfect Water. I didn't like it. It was too wet."


    1. AnonTB - those are some good responses and funny ones too!

      And why does it take those Amway bastards 2 to 3 hours for a board plan. They should be able to do it in 30 minutes or less. Unfocused is right. Always getting sidetracked and going off about something that's pissing them off. Usually a no show Ambot.

    2. Another favorite quote of their's is "If the dream is big enough, facts don't count." I think that quote can be applicable in some fields such as amateur athletes fighting their way to the pros, even though the odds are against them. But in Amway's case, that's just a way to keep the flock brainwashed and draw attention away from the bad business model.

    3. Anonymous - when it comes to Amway the facts about anything don't count.

    4. Amateur athletes do need to focus on facts/stats.

      If a baseball player is batting .100 in single A ball, he needs to step up or he will never make it to the pros.

      Facts/stats are a representation of real life. Bad numbers = bad situation.

      Example to use: Michael Vick, controversial American football player, was drafted to play for the Colorado Rockies BASEBALL team, having not played baseball in over 5 years. He declined, but how does this relate?

      If you wanted to be a pro baseball player, by Amway logic, you should go play football and forget about baseball, like he did. You'll get drafted, if your dream is big enough.

      In other words, if you want to be a millionaire or billionaire or whatever, there are so many other, more statistically probable, ways of achieving this goal. If you want to be something, do not do something that puts the odds against you. Vick was one in a million. In Amway, the one in a million are already in place, eating up your money.


    5. Good comparison Jerry.

      One in a million chance of making money in Amway. Got better odds playing Powerball.

  3. Clearly the Emerald you met was full of shit! They don't sound very nice! I say this because, the Emerald's & Platinum's in my upline never make ridiculous claims like that, & every single one of them has told me how much hard work it is, & that, quite honestly, you would need to do it more than part time to get anywhere. To say all Amway people are assholes is like saying every black person is a criminal.

    1. Angela - if they're running Amway meetings then they're full of shit.

      You're right, I shouldn't say ALL Amway people are assholes. The ones who sign up and do nothing are probably not assholes. The ones who have recently signed up and haven't started duplicating their upline's asshole behavior are probably not assholes. Anyone who has tried to sell Amway products or sign up recruits are assholes.

      For the purposes of this blog the ambots being described are most definitely Amway assholes!

  4. Angela Yan, you have to admit a Multi-Level Marketing business is not conducive to limitless wealth. I do not wish to offend or 'STEAL' your dreams, however paying someone else to let you sell their products and represent their company doesn't make you, or never will make you a billionaire.


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