Yup its getting close to that time of the year again when Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2015 function is coming up. If anyone has information about it for 2015 feel free to load up the comments.
This blog is getting inundated from Amway ambots searching for information about Amway World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2015. And yes they’ve come to the right place. Spring Leadership is yet another Amway WWDB function that is top secret and the Amway cult leaders won’t tell the IBO’s what its about so Ambots frantically search online.
World Wide Dream Builders and Amway holds 4
brainwashing conferences through the year: Dream Night, Spring Leadership,
Family Reunion and Free Enterprise Days FED. The Amway cult followers go
ballistic crazy in their love and devotion and shower their leaders with $125
each to buy a ticket. WWDB Spring Leadership is usually held in April but
they’ve changed it up a bit with some dates in May 2015.
So for those of you who are wondering what
the fuck is Amway WWDB Spring Leadership its just another expensive social
Amway gathering where ambots go to worship their Amway cult leaders and hand
over their money. The ambots coming from out of town and that’s just about
everyone, add in the travel expenses plus hotels and meals.
For some cities this agonizing Amway convention drags on for 3 days and other cities its 2 days. I guess the 3 day events are in cities with dumber than average Amway ambots if such a thing could exist because the jury is in that everyone in Amway is dumber than shit!
Here let me break it down to what really happens at Amway WWDB Spring Leadership. At Amway World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership the Diamonds are bullshitting and lying about how to build a business but mostly focusing on having a dream to believe in is the secret to success in Amway. Supposedly the Diamonds are teaching how leadership builds an Amway business and they’ll be yapping about dream building and believing in your dream and the usual mumbo jumbo brainwashing bullshit you can expect at any Amway function. They’ll be teaching leadership and business methods (Yeah right. That would be a first) and showing motivational and promotion videos all weekend.
And now for what really happens…. There will be a never ending parade of Ken and Barbie Diamonds stomping across the stage. Brainwashed ambots will shriek and rush the stage to get closer to their beloved cult leaders. The arena’s security staff will beat them off. “Get back to your seats motherfuckers!!!!” Barbie will talk first. She’ll say something like I was working a minimum wage job as a waitress in a biker bar and had to flash my boobs to make tips. Ken was working for the man cleaning porta potties. Do you know what its like coming home to a man who smells like shit every night???? Then one day a dear friend showed us “the business” plan. We borrowed $20 for gas to make it to the Amway conference. And now we are rich rich rich and we pay for everything in cash. I love Ken so much for giving me the lifestyle of the rich and greedy. He’s my warrior…… Then some lowly piece of shit Amway ambot brings a chair onstage and Barbie sits there and stares down warrior Ken while he brags about their mansion, their fleet of cars, their private jet, the vacations they take and then shows a slide show of all their material possessions. Or maybe the ones they rented for the day for the staged photo shoot. They finish by mocking the adoring ambots that if they can do it then anyone can. Meanwhile the only thing on Ken and Barbie’s minds is how much of the ticket sales proceeds are they going home with for showing up today to bullshit the Amway cult followers.
The jokers showing up on the World Wide
Destructive Bastards website are this year being called “difference makers”. I
got two words for all you fucking Amway “difference makers”. FUCK YOU!!!! The
only difference you bastards are making is making your cult followers poorer
and even further in debt. I’m not going to list the Amway bastards for a couple
of reasons. It’s the same old tired crew who always show up to bore the Ambots
and this year those fuckers at WWDB have the names flying by on a rolling billboard
thing and I didn’t deal with writing real fast while the thing flew by. Hurt my
eyes. We don’t call WWDB World Wide Destructive BASTARDS for nothing!
Tickets cost $125 and here’s where WWDB
Amway Spring Leadership 2015 is going to be held.
Las Vegas April 10 – 12, 2015
Spokane April 17 – 19, 2015
Spokane April 17 – 19, 2015
Honolulu April 18 – 19, 2015
Calgary, Canada April 24 – 26, 2015
Minneapolis April 24 – 25, 2015
Denver May 2 – 3, 2015
Fort Lauderdale May 2 – 3, 2015
Kingston, Jamaica May 23 – 24, 2015
Does anyone notice Washington DC is missing
from the line up but I had to put it in this post to help with search results!
And yup now’s another time to send out a
big old FUCK YOU to those Fucking World Wide Destructive Bastards because
they’ve added some more cities into the mix that I can’t just copy and paste
from last year’s posts about better things to do in town than go to an Amway
convention.
Does anyone see scheduling conflicts for the Amway ambots who show off to the assholes in their Amway upline by attending every WWDB Spring Leadership? Let’s see if I had a choice of going to either Spokane or Honolulu oh whichever will I choose? Hawaii! Shit! Nothing like wrecking my Hawaiian vacation by going to a Scamway function.
Spring Leadership will drag on for 2 or 3 days this year beginning on Friday night, depends on which city you’re going to. The Friday night brainwashing session is mostly a show of Amway products and there might not be any Diamonds brainwashing their cult followers that night in the arena but they’ll probably have a top secret meeting somewhere else for “serious business builders”.
This boring Amway Spring Leadership bullshit goes on all weekend. There is no training how to increase Amway sales, how to find prospects to recruit into the cult, there are no leadership skills taught. Just a bunch of Ken and Barbies figuring out how to entertain their cult followers and keep them up all night. Sleep deprivation is a common cult tactic for brainwashing.
And there you have it. Ambots wasted lots of $$$ just to hear the same bullshit they hear at every Amway function. But by going to the function that puts them 6 months ahead of the ambots who didn’t go. Yeah 6 months closer to bankruptcy.
And now all Amway ambots can save their money and not make the assholes in their upline richer by buying tickets to go to Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2015 because I’ve already covered the highlights.
And now for a little assistance on the search results including years gone and still to come because Amway ambots are so fucked up they don’t know what year it is. Seriously. They’re searching backwards and forwards. That’s what getting brainwashed into the Amway cult does to a person.
World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2015
Amway World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2015
World Wide Dream Builders Amway Spring Leadership 2015
Amway Spring Leadership 2015
WWDB Amway Spring Leadership 2015
World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership
2014
Amway World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2014
World Wide Dream Builders Amway Spring Leadership 2014
Amway Spring Leadership 2014
WWDB Amway Spring Leadership 2014
Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2013
Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2015
WWDB Amway Spring Leadership 2012
Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2011
World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2016
Amway World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2016
World Wide Dream Builders Amway Spring Leadership 2016
Amway Spring Leadership 2016
WWDB Amway Spring Leadership 2016
Amway World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2014
World Wide Dream Builders Amway Spring Leadership 2014
Amway Spring Leadership 2014
WWDB Amway Spring Leadership 2014
Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2013
Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2015
WWDB Amway Spring Leadership 2012
Amway WWDB Spring Leadership 2011
World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2016
Amway World Wide Dream Builders Spring Leadership 2016
World Wide Dream Builders Amway Spring Leadership 2016
Amway Spring Leadership 2016
WWDB Amway Spring Leadership 2016
And as always let send out a big old FUCK YOU to the
assholes in the Amway upline!
Amway sucks!
WWDB sucks!
Spring Leadership sucks!
All Amway functions suck!
And from marriedtoanambot let’s just send another big old FUCK YOU out to
Amway Scamway and their scammer army of Ambots.
Hope blogs like this doesn't discourage people from attending spring leadership. Love having more peace and quiet with the crazy Amway ambots leaving town lol.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - its unlikely that Ambots will listen to those who were in the Amway scam before them have to say. They got to lose their money themselves. People who are thinking of joining the Amway cult are right now being told now is the time to sign up and go to this blah blah blah function called Spring Leadership. I guess I don't live in an area overrun by Amway Ambots that I notice any difference in the peace and quiet when they leave town for a Scamway function!
DeleteWe use to get 15,000+ at our wwdb feds locally. I didn't see the point of paying when its 20 mins away. Then the groups here shrunk and people are flying out of town to attend. Anna, did you and ambot travel out of town often to attend.
DeleteNot as often as the assholes in our upline would have liked!
DeleteI just attended Brad Duncan's Family Reunion as a guest, my older brother just went platinum so he was speaking. I'm not in the business. I went to support him, and see what it was all about. He's successful. 26. Started in college. He'll retire from his corporate job in the next few years.
DeletePointless to argue with you, but I can assure you that NO ONE of the speakers showed slideshows of their homes or mentioned any mansions. There was a little talk of vacations on the beach, but the focus was not on material goods. They talked about their families and being able to stay home with their kids, afford medical bills, and retire from crappy corporate jobs. Sounds pretty great to me.
Some single women spoke as well, as well as single men. It wasn't all Ken and Barbie although I understand that there is some gender roles still inherent in the language of the business ("man up," "lead the family" etc etc). But that appears to be changing and women are taking on more roles.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. Maybe your Uplines were assholes. Maybe they were dishonest. I'm sure those people exist. Everyone I met, though, in my brother's organization, were warm and happy and seemed a lot more excited to be there than anyone I've ever met in an office or seen walking home from their skyscraper jobs in droves at 5pm.
I also wish you were a little more articulate. It's hard to get a clear picture of why you are so vehemently against WorldWide when I have to wade through the expletives to read a coherent sentence.
DeleteLee Cynical - if you really were at Family Reunion, why didn't you post a comment to that blog topic instead of this one from Spring Leadership that took place in April?
DeleteYour brother might retire from his corporate job in a few years but he'd be a dumb ass to do so and focus solely on Amway. You saw the Diamonds on stage. Maybe? If you were even there. Anyway, doesn't matter if you really went to Family Reunion or not. The Diamonds are the same ones 5, 10,and 20 years ago. They can never retire. They have to constantly recruit new cult followers and keep the ones in motivated as long as they can to keep spending money. Amway reports 95% of IBO's quit in 2 years so you can see there's a huge turnover and that's why the cult leaders can never retire.
No matter how much he lies to you about the money to be made, Emeralds report earnings of $2 to $3,000/month and that's with about 1000 people in downline. Amway reports Diamond income around $150,000/year.
If they didn't show slide shows maybe the projector was busted and some Ambot is paying holy hell for that mess up! LOL!
It looks like you've got the whole Amway is a blame the victim bullshit down by blaming the asshole in our upline. Amway is all about pointing fingers. I've never seen so many finger pointers in my life as I did in Scamway!
Of course the ambots are brainwashed to be warm and happy. Love bombing is a common cult tactic that Amway uses. Look it up. Its all about being fakey nice, pretending to be interested in others, hugging, overly attentive, etc.
In order to get an audience blogs have to entertain as well as educate. Everyone has an angle. Mine is cursing out the fucking assholes in Amway. People love it. That's why this blog is so high in the search engines. Amway Ambots are prudes and don't like swearing so it keeps them away.
Thanks for stopping by and reporting on your recent experience.
I bet this dumb ass spends more than that on beer for a weekend while he sits around with his dumb ass Broke friends talking about how much the world owes them.
Deletesome of the people are nice and seem to mean well in this business but you do have others who wreak of cult like behavior. i always thought being a business owner i was in charge of how i ran things, not consulting an upline like they are God. i understand asking for some advice every now and then but some of these people act like they can't live breathe or even poop without consulting and upline which i think is pretty pathetic
DeleteAnonymous - they may have been nice people before they signed up with Amway but that attitude changes to nasty sneering bastards before long. I'm not sure how insulting other people helps with sales and signing up new recruits. Other nice people in Amway are faking it, practicing the love bombing thing.
DeleteThat's another creepy thing about being in the Amway cult, asking permission from the assholes in the upline before doing anything.
Las Vegas, Honolulu, Fort Lauderdale and Kingston, Jamaica? Such a shame they won't enjoy these places.
ReplyDeleteScamMagnet - apparently you've never been to Kingston Jamaica? Its not like we're talking Negril here. I'd feel safer in any of the US cities than in Kingston. But yeah to the other places, Amway ambots have no time to enjoy those places. Normal people go there to enjoy the tourist attractions. Ambots go to worship Amway cult leaders.
DeleteShut up and look a life you disrespect my country and you disrespect my organization that's why you are where you are now.hope you all the best but please get your info right before you start telling lies
DeleteWhy don't you shut up you goddamn fucking Amway asshole? Disrespect what country? Nigeria? That's the closest I've ever got to disrespecting any country when Nigerian scammers and their spell casters show up here. I've said countless times that America is the greatest country in the world. You thing that's disrespectful to this country? Fucking sack of shit Amway asshole! Shows what being fucked up and brainwashed by fucking Amway cult leaders does to a person. And I will be fucking disrespectful to a fucking organization that teaches its cult followers to be disrespectful to everyone in the world who's not in Amway. Don't like it? Then you don't have to read what's written on this blog. Asshole! If you don't like something don't read it. Sounds simple but you probably have to get permission first from some fucking asshole in your Amway upline.
DeleteWhat's posted here is my own personal experience and what I got off the WWDB website so tell me what info I didn't get right? You can't, can you, you fucking lying scamming Amway asshole. And what are you even doing on a post about Spring Leadership 2015 - you missed it. Fucking moron! The next Amway brainwashing conference is Family Reunion in July 2015 so you better get your ass there and hand over all your money to the Great Amway God. Lying scumbucket cocksuckers like you deserve to get fleeced by Amway so fuck you!
Anna sorry to hear you had bad upline that did not properly work with you and help you. Do you realize in my current profession I had to spend 30,000 in tools just to make 50,000 a year with no benefits. Please explain a better option than a networking company, who uses a mentorship company who promotes peraonal development as well as positive influences. I have not yet me a sungle peraon with such a limited vocabulary as yourslef and hope I never will. I sincerely hope you can find some inner peace in your life.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - thanks for clarifying that Amway is a blame the victim scam. My bad upline? All Amway upline assholes are a bad upline. It was not exclusive to me.
DeleteWhy the fuck should I come up with a better option for you when you post anonymously so I don't know who the fuck you are, don't know your net worth, don't know your education, don't know your expertise, and what skills you have. Like what a fucking dumb ass thing to demand! But that's what people in Amway are all about. Demanding bastards! Just because my husband and I found a business that works for us and provides us with a good income doesn't mean its going to be a good fit for other people. Like I have to fucking spell that out for you! You can't figure that out for yourself? Take your fucking sanctimonious Amway attitude and shove it up your ass. Don't like what you read here written by people with limited vocabulary, then don't come back! We have to spell that out for you fucking Amway assholes! Jesus Christ! Dumber than a shithouse!
Wow hahaha. It's so funny that you think you know what you're talking about "Anna Banana". You see, those people who want to be successful, not just in Amway but in life, stay away from people like you for a reason: YOU'RE NOT WORTH THE TIME. That's why you think it's all a secret. Thanks for the motivation!
DeleteFortunately our customers don't think the way you do. They love me! I'm sorry to hear you have such low expectation on success that you think people who own a business plus the land it sits on, who own nice houses, own nice cars, take nice vacations and have healthy savings are beneath your high standards that we're not worth you're time.Take motivation wherever you'll find it. You'll need it when you're working as a lowly paid commissioned salesperson. Its no skin off my ass if your career goal is to be a broke Amway loser.
DeleteS.T.A.T.U.S.
Deletestill to arrogant to understand success. sorry missy this seems to fit you hope you have a grate life and good luck you will need it.
ow and sweet hart this is a different "AMBOT" please clean up your language its upsetting the kids.
also please not im doing quite well for my self so have a good day.
S.T.A.T.U.S.
Deletestill to arrogant to understand success. sorry missy this seems to fit you hope you have a grate life and good luck you will need it.
ow and sweet hart this is a different "AMBOT" please clean up your language its upsetting the kids.
also please not im doing quite well for my self so have a good day.
Loren - I have never seen such arrogance in my life as when I was in a room full of Amway Ambots. I understand success so shove that up your arrogant Amway asshole. And I'm not going to get into another discussion with an Ambot on what constitutes success. To a fucked up brainwashed Amway Ambot success is becoming a Diamond and anyone who is not in the Amway cult will never be successful.
DeleteWhat kind of a dumb fuck would come to a blog that's all about cursing out Amway assholes and say clean up the language? If you're such a fucking prude then don't come back and read. And the language does not upset the kids. Do you know how many kids of Amway Ambots show up here to share their stores and curse out Amway for destroying their family. That's wonderful someone who can't spell worth a shit is doing quite well for themselves. Obviously you have a decent job that pays more than the pennies commission you earn off Amway if you meet the minimum personal buying qualifications for the month.
Sure sign of an Amway asshole - repeating themselves. Duplicating themselves. Another sure sign of an Amway asshole is posting a comment on an old topic.
DeleteI love how they use motivational bumper stickers quotes and acronyms, as if it gives it more credence as being "clever".
DeleteShouldn't S.T.A.T.U.S. stand for Scamming Tiny-minded Ambots Taking Upline's Shit ?
Anonymous - your acronym is dead on and way more accurate than what Loren came up with. And we all know he didn't really come up with he was just duplicating what some asshole in his Amway upline said. Ambots are so UNoriginal. No matter how much the arrogant little bastards think they're being "clever".
DeleteHow you replied to this message just lost all the credibility you had on me with this blog (and no, I'm not an ambot). Honestly, you talk all about how Amway people are assholes and that they are arrogant... Have you looked at a mirror? That's EXACTLY what you're projecting to me, based on your replies. I mean man, I was reading this blog, and I was agreeing with most of it.. But after I saw your response, I see now that you're no better than 'ambots' or anyone for that matter, you're just an asshole yourself who refuses to make a change in your life, or be open minded to other types of businesses. Have a good life, maybe try to stray away from so much negativity, maybe you'll live longer ;) best of luck.
DeleteHi there Fagna from Spokane. How do you know when someone in Amway is lying? Their mouth is moving. Or in the case of the Internet they're typing. Lie, deny, distract, and defend - the life of an Amway Ambot. If you're too embarrassed to admit who you work for, get a better job. Why lie about your employer except due to embarrassment. I see they're still teaching that schizo paranoid thing about credibility at Amway meetings. Heard it at every Scamway meeting I went to. Seeing as how you're so schizo paranoid about credibility I checked the visitor stats. You've only been to this blog this one time and this is the only post you looked at so it looks like your credibility just went down the shitter. People who really are not in Amway leave comments talking about their past experience or tell us someone they love is in the scam. Amway Ambots shit their diapers and leave a comment that makes them look like a dumb fuck. Best of luck to you too in having a better life.
Delete"who refuses to make a change in your life, or be open minded to other types of businesses"
DeleteAnd what if that other type of business is a cult-like pyramid scam that has a 99% failure rate and has destroyed countless people's finances and relationships? Should one be "open-minded" to it?
Yep, an Ambot pretending to be a non-brainwashed person. Only an Ambot would defend a shady cult by missing the message and stories because they get the vapors from how it's told.
You got it Anonymous. We can all spot a brainwashed Amway Ambot a mile off. Denial of having anything to do with Scamway is a huge clue. And then getting their undies all in a snit defending their cult.
DeleteWow so many brainwashed people... maybe none of you could succeed in the real world had to join Amway because you couldn't figure out how to use spell check!! After all Amway leaders love to preach that you don't need an education to be an IBO!!! And obviously none of you Ambots have a soul to be proud of selling the false promise of getting rich and laugh at those that seem to fail. I know I take joy in watching my fellow man investing everything to loose it all. I guess they didn't just try hard enough. There's a spot for all of you in your local psychiatric ward!!! Idiots!
DeleteAnonymous - LOL! That's so funny! That's like reverse Amspeak! LOL! Love it! I think I might borrow it sometime!
DeletePromised riches and lies? Sounds like your talking about job to me. Your already in a pyramid. At your job the guy at the top makes the most money. And it's a cult too because if you don't do what the other followers do (employees) you get terminated. Be safe you guys!
DeletePromised riches and lies? Sounds like your talking about job to me. Your already in a pyramid. At your job the guy at the top makes the most money. And it's a cult too because if you don't do what the other followers do (employees) you get terminated. Be safe you guys!
DeleteIt sounds like Alex Soto can't figure out if he wants to be Unknown or Alex Soto.
DeleteAnd the old "your J.O.B. is a pyramid" argument is stupid, of course. It's not the "shape" that makes a pyramid a scam, it's how it is run. In a real business. employees are guaranteed a set salary and benefits. In a pyramid scam they are only told that "if you work it hard enough you can be making unlimited money", but it's all pie in the sky. In pyramid schemes 99% of those in them don't make any money. Which "surprise surprise" is the actual listed failure rate in Amway's own literature.
And the "cult" accusation of a job... LOL. Poor Alex has no idea of the definition of a cult. Getting fired for not doing one's job doesn't make it a "cult". But no point telling brainwashed Alex that.
Alex is the one who needs to be safe if he's in Amway. Or, should I say, he needs to keep his finances safe, as his upline will push for him to empty his bank account and run up his credit cards and while buying "inventory" without buyers.
This half-assed buffoon "Alex Soto" will be bankrupt within a year.
DeleteSomehow I think Alex has been here before but I don't really care enough to do a search. Even though he says employees can be terminated from their job he fails to mention that Amway IBO's can also be terminated. Just like what happened to our sack of shit Platinum.
DeleteThis is a very lame blog and you are a very unsupportive wife. I feel bad for your husband. I hope you get educated and learn some proper language someday. Maybe get a life other than posting all of this crap all over the internet. Jesus, what a waste of an amazing life you could be living.
ReplyDeleteOh great. Another fucking Amway asshole stops by to spout off brainwashed Amspeak. Like I've never heard I'm an unsupportive wife before. From the fucking assholes in our Amway upline to the fucking Amway ambots who stop by here and think they're sooooooo original.
DeleteAnd if you think this blog is so lame why are you reading and leaving comments because that just ups this blogs ranking in the search engines. Didn't think of that did you. Dumb fuck!
Maybe I didn't get a high and mighty education at Amway University like you did but that doesn't mean I'm not educated. But why should you be any different than any other fucking Amway prick that stops by here to say that.
I do not post all over the Internet. Only on this blog. So you're another fucking lying Amway asshole. Liar!
Take your fucking Amway attitude and shove it up your ass you fucking shithead.
In the world of Amspeak, a "supportive" wife would be one who blindly watches her husband empty their finances and run up their credit cards, tithing a pyramid scheme that has less than a 1% success rate and turns her husband into an arrogant, brainwashed minion of cult masters whose ass he kisses constantly while ignoring his real family and friends, sneering at them for not buying into the cult with him. A "supportive" wife in the Amway world is one who accepts being the second most important thing in the husband's life with Amway being first. A "supportive" wife watches quietly as the garage and closets of the house are filled with "inventory" that will never be sold since it is horribly over-priced and will put up with the "new" creepy friends who are equally arrogant towards anyone outside of the cult and require constant "meetings" that just talk about the same nothing. She'll watch their real friends avoid them for fear of being hit up to buy the over-priced crap. She'll be encouraged not to pay attention to how deeply in debt they are falling because "success is just around the corner"... the same as it was last month. And the month before that. And the year before that. And so on and so forth.
DeleteIn other words, a "supportive" wife to Amway is one who is just as delusional and out of touch with reality as the husband who is entangled in a cult that ruins their life and family.
Anonymous - you have described what Amway ambots seek in the perfect Amford wife!
DeleteHowever today's women don't believe in following the Amway teachings that women are supposed to be treated and behave as they might have 100 years ago.
The real world understands that. Brainwashed ambots only understand the preachings of their Amway cult leaders.
Most women are not going to let the Amway cult destroy their lives. At least without putting up some kind of resistance.
Girl I am SO sorry you have to deal w/ this! I can not imagine how hard this must be on you. Ha, I can definitely hear it in the tone of this blog that you are super frustrated & burnt the hell out.
ReplyDeleteNot to intrude but your husband should NOT keep doing this when it's clearly effecting you so negatively.
Anyways, thnx for sharing this b/c I just met a guy who introduced me to this biz. I saw some red flags but also a lot of the stuff they preach is so appealing to me since I despise having to "go to work everyday". So I've just been keeping an open mind, thinking, "you never know; may as well try something new!" But dam, i'm just gonna go w/ my gut & stop before I even start.
In the meantime will you please tell us more about your experiences??
Anonymous - there are 5 years worth of Amway experiences on this blog!
DeleteAmway is all about promoting all things negative. As you can see for yourself. You've only been around those losers a short time and already you're starting to get obsessed with negative. The real world doesn't have the Amway ambot obsession with everything they perceive as negative.
My best advice to you is RUN. As far and fast as you can from that guy who's trying to scam you. Of course the stuff the Amway cult leaders preach about not going to work every day is appealing, but the only ones who are rich in Amway are the company founders and their heirs and maybe they don't have to go to work everyday.
Go with your gut! Its always right. You go girl.
I am going to Spring LeaderShip this 17,18,19th, i am only paying 60 bucks to help with a hotel, im going with my bestfriend who is succesful in this business, so i read your comment and i do listen and i have thought deeply of the stuff you said, I'm still going to be a part of this Organization amd will get back to this page in a year, i book marked it
ReplyDeleteAnthony - it sounds like someone else bought a ticket for you to get inside Spring Leadership - sometimes Ambots do that. Its bragging rights to their cult leader how many invites they got going and how many tickets they bought. The only way to make money in Amway is from those at the top of the pyramid who sell tickets to others to hear them speak. That's where the money is. Also its selling CDs and books. The real money is not in commission from selling Amway products. Is your friend really successful? Have you seen tax info and profit & loss statement? Or does he show you photocopies (photoshopped) of checks from Amway. Oldest scam out there.
DeleteYeah appreciate you coming back. A few commenters do and say they should have listened to us. Most drop out of sight never to be heard from again. Too embarrassed after bragging about how rich they're going to be.
I honestly have never seen anything showing him being succesfull, but one of the "Ambots" said he was an Eagle in the business so far.
DeleteAnthony - an Eagle means he found 6 suckers to sign up. That doesn't mean they're all buying Amway products and investing in the tool scam. Might just mean he has some helpful family members and friends enabling him. You know pay $100 to sign up to get him off their back.
DeleteHow can Amway be a scam also? You have to be willing to work hard, it's not going to fall right into your lap. Or my lap either
ReplyDeleteWell good luck to you, sir. Work hard, like you said, and come back in a year and tell us how it's working for you. Don't forget to keep track of your expenses (training costs should be considered part of your expenses), so you can compare that with and profits you may have made.
DeleteGood luck! See you in a year!
Anthony - look on the right side of this page for Amway links and look for a free ebook to download called Merchants of Deception written by a former Emerald who does an excellent job of telling how Amway is a scam.
Delete"Work hard". Please define. No Amway Ambot has ever been able to do that.
As the other commenter said, keep track of your expenses. Your Amway upline does not want you to do that and realize how much money you're losing, but you need to do it. You will be spending $500 to $700 a month, maybe more. And getting back a commission from Amway around $10/month. Keep good track of a profit & loss statement. Better yet, take your Amway business plan to your bank and ask for a small business loan and see what happens.
PS - people in Amway are used to being laughed at.
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DeleteJust okay? No definition of work hard? My husband put in at least 100 hours a month into Scamway. Bought hundreds of dollars every month in Amway products and went to every meeting and brainwashing convention, bought all the tools, badgered family and friends, etc etc. So obviously someone would have to work way over 100 hours/month at Scamway, over double what Amway's estimate of 10 to 15 hours a week in your spare time.
DeleteI love Amway and WWDB, I support my husband 100% and anyone who "quit" amway, you can't quit what you never started and if you think it doesn't work you didn't try hard enough. You can do anything you put your mind too. I agree being an independent buisness owner isn't for everyone, not everyone is as motivated as one another and the majority are too lazy to get off their butts and put the effort in. everybody wants to work until their 60 only a few people truly want to live and only half of those people if that actually do something about it. so if you're one of those people that says Amway sucks or that world wide dream builders sucks you obviously did not truly understand what you got yourself into and if you quit or just gave up then you have no reason to complain because it's your own fault and you need to man up take responsibility and ownership for your lack of drive. You had an opportunity to be debt free living the life of your dreams but you chose to work until your older than dirt and doe with nothing to pass on to your family just your last name.
ReplyDeleteWow, this one has pretty every bullshit "talking point" covered. Working hard doesn't make this scam work because it's flawed from the get-go. The products are extremely overpriced so the only sales will be a handful of pity purchases from friends and family at first and the sales to the "independent business owners" themselves. I put that in quotes because your husband is a commissioned salesman. Nothing more. Any "team" he puts together are just fellow suckers being pulled into the pyramid to lose money like himself. That's how pyramid recruitment works.
DeleteEveryone who gets brainwashed into any MLM scam think the same thing. "Those 99% of others who lost money in this were all lazy losers. We're different. We're going diamond!"
No point talking to one who has drank the Kool-Aid. Go ahead. Go for it. Some people simply have to learn for themselves.
Jesus lady. Did you type all that with one hand and kept your other hand on your Amway bible at the same time?
DeleteI mean holy fuck brainwashed Amway Amspeak! Like we've never heard that bullshit before! LOL! You Ambots are so Unoriginal!
Thanks for letting us know that Amway is a blame the victim scam, but we already knew that. You know how you Ambots go around saying others quit because they were lazy, or didn't put the work in, or didn't try hard enough or whatever other bullshit Amspeak you blabber to blame the victim.
And you know what. Not a single one of you has ever defined in writing what you mean by "work hard" or as you put it "get off their butts and put the effort in". No definition? Just blame the victim bullshit that Amway Ambots sneer about.
I support my husband in our legitimate business. Sure as hell didn't support him in a pretend Amway business that was all about scamming people. But then you and I are different that way. I have morals, a conscience, and sure as hell not comfortable lying to people. Those are qualities you have to be in Amway.
2nd Anonymous - you and I know you're right. You'll never be able to convince a Kool Aid drinking brainwashed Ambot of that. They have to hit rock bottom first. Have Amway financially and emotionally wipe them out and then they say: I should have listened to everyone who warned me.
DeleteJust another Ambot who is outraged that I wrapped up what the Amway WWDB Spring Leadership is all about. If people choose to waste their time, money, and brain cells, nothing I can do to help them.
Hi Anna,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your direct attitude with this cult....
I'm older and have a son that has fallen into the "yes man" diamond speaker thinking he is going to pave the way to wealth and happiness. I have not stepped into the meetings but I get a bit of chuckle imagining Terance Stamp in his super cool outfit running up and down rows of mindless believers amspeaking as you call it. I was around for the pyramid parties of the 80's and wound up with nothing but a learning experience that around every corner is someone willing to talk you out of your money....Does anyone remember Tom Vu and his "3 simple words" to riches on infomercial hell? Unfortunately this is what my kid (well he's an adult) needs to learn, lose and go through without me preaching to him, (as I've already tried). I'll watch him fall but hell at least it will sour him to the get rich schemes out there.....
Hi Anonymous. Sorry to hear about your son. Its the love bombing from the Amway cult leaders that draws these people in and then comes the unnatural worship and devotion to these Amway creeps. The Ambot does everything to keep them happy because like every good cult leader out there they dole out love and they dole out punishment. Amway cult leaders studied the Jim Jones manual and put the same procedures into place.
DeleteThe good news is the majority of Ambots quit after they realize they're not making money and that the assholes in their Amway upline lied to them, for most that takes a few months. If he makes it to the 2 year mark he'll probably be a lifer and then you'll need to look at getting a cult interventionist involved. Hopefully he's still young enough that he can bounce back emotionally and financially from the damage Amway does.
I'm sure there's no point in posting this, it'll just be deleted. But I'm just starting to look into Amway. And so far between your attitude and theirs, they are winning. You just sound so miserable, cursing and carrying in with insults. Its just not an effective way to get your message across. To me you come off as an angry child. And because of your approach I now have no idea if I can take your word seriously. I'm not a child, why would I want to take advice from one? I suggest you mature, your attitude and your vocabulary and I think you'll find more people will stick around through your 'speech'.
ReplyDeleteJust some constructive feedback person to person.
Thanks for taking your time to comment on the organization though. Like to hear other peoples opinions.
Anonymous - why would we not post your comment? Amway Ambots are the most negative bastards around. You should see what nasty ugly things they have to say when they realize we're getting the truth out there about what life is like inside the Amway cult. Search for a post on here called 100 ways Amway Ambots love to say negative. It was posted a few weeks ago. Since then we are already halfway through the follow up post. It doesn't take long for the negative comments to accumulate here from Amway losers. You are very tame in your comments. You don't have what it takes but then it doesn't sound like you're inside the Amway cult yet. So the real ugliness in you hasn't come out yet.
DeleteApparently you've never been inside a cult before. Once you've had people put you through emotional and financial distress and go batshit crazy trying to destroy your marriage then you'll understand why we want to curse out those Amway bastards.
We keep this blog up to let others know what its like inside the Amway cult. The lies and hell the Amway cult leaders put you through. The financial losses. We hope to stop others from making the same mistakes but I get it some people have to make these mistakes and learn from them. Hopefully you are still young enough that you can bounce back from the emotional and financial distress.
Anonymous, why do you think Amway has been so successful all these years at dragging me new fresh meat to scam even though they have ruined so many lives in the past and have a well-deserved bad reputation? Because they are damn good at doing what they do... conning. They have lying with a smile on their face down to a science. They know how to deflect logic and financial questions with excited "positive" mumbo jumbo and convince new victims that their bad reputation comes from "other jealous businesses" and that the 99% of people who lose money in the scam were lazy losers who didn't work hard enough (though they never will say just what that means, even when folks do everything single thing they tell them to).
DeleteSuccessful scammers know how to draw people in slowly, like a fisherman carefully working a fish so as not to break the line. They are good at making the implausible sound plausible, with all their drawing of circles which doesn't work in real life (in reality, it's almost impossible to get one or two downline that will stick once they are losing money let alone the thousands that would be needed to make the kind of pie-in-the-sky money they breathlessly talk about.
The meetings and "tools" (i.e. motivational material) are not about how to do the "business"... they are all about brainwashing followers to "dream" so they keep on pouring money into the scam. "Hang in there, success is just around the corner" is something they will say for years and years at a time to keep minions in the cult.
If you decide to go into Amway simply because they have big, wide lovebombing smiles on their faces and talk "positive" about how you're going to be a millionaire with their help, then be ready to lose money. It's how pyramids work. The tiny amount of folks at the top of the Amway pyramid get their money from those losing it in the lower 99% of the pyramid. It's how pyramids work. The folks at the top have to be damn good at recruiting more and more people into the cult to keep it going, as well as keeping them motivated to keep losing money. No diamond is walking the beaches of the world on residual income. Their pyramid would fall apart if they did if the brainwashing wore off.
When an Ambot says "business is great", remember, 99% of them are lying because they have been "counseled" to do that to draw in new victims. No one would join if they saw that everyone else at those meetings were barely scraping by in life.
Well said Anonymous. I hope the first guy comes back to read that but I'm sure he's already signed up and the brainwashing has commenced.
DeleteAmway cult leaders have perfected the art of being top scammers. They know how to sound convincing when they're lying. They are charismatic, charming, likeable, all the love bombing stuff. They say they're rich and everyone else can be too. And "now" is always the time to get in because business is about to explode. Don't be a loser and get in 6 months down the road because everyone else will be walking the beaches of the world while you're still working.
Amway scammers are the scourge of the earth.
It's me again...lol. So the convention is soon, and i notice that amyway says there is no Pyramid, but when i think of it, it really is a pyramid, i feel like they are just like any other organization like this, it's so frustraing, i read this and i agree with what you say, but then my friend that is one of the nicest guys i've known for 11-12 years, he is getting me into it, i can't believe he would do me dirty like that. But you make a lot of since.
ReplyDeleteAnthony - you are figuring it out! People in Amway are nice - its a cult tactic called love bombing. Once you've been in the cult for a few months and haven't signed anyone up they turn vicious. See if you still think they're "nice".
DeleteThe assholes that signed us up to Amway is one of the biggest liars and scammers I've ever met - and that was before he got into Amway! So he was a natural. No way would I have describe him as nice. Miserable, angry nasty cocksocking son of a bitch would be more accurate.
But yes there are some people out there who actually liked the person who signed them up or their upline and yes they all feel betrayed afterwards like how could they lie to me.
Have you ever tried going on amway.org? It won't let me, says i need a password and username, kinda weird they are blocking it off.
ReplyDeleteNope, but I believe you do have to pay for membership to get on there. Top secret cult you know. That's how they make most of their money, selling things like a membership to access a web page.
DeleteThanks for sharing this post! I have been researching a lot about Amway and Dexter Yager who is part of Amway. So far I am not interested in Amway even though dexter yager has had a lot of success according to some information I stumbled upon online I still don't know if I should join or not.
ReplyDeleteThis article has some good points though, I'll consider it!
Laura - good for you. Stay not interested in Amway unless you want to go through a hell hole of emotional and financial distress.
DeleteHere's the thing. He's made money in other stuff not just Scamway, though he might pretend that's where he gets his riches. People with money usually have investments, probably a financial advisor.
Also, the higher ups of Amway make a lot of money on the tools and functions... something you, as a lowly commissioned salesperson, won't have access to.
DeleteJust because someone at the top level of a pyramid is making good money doesn't mean those below that will ever see a dime. That's how pyramids work. About 1% make money... at the expense of 99% who lose money.
Yup the only way to get rich in Amway is by selling tickets to ambots to come here you speak. And run your own little Amway cult sect.
DeleteReally appreciate the blog, it helps to get the truth out there. At their meetings, they all talk the same crap, dress like they're all that when they aren't, and they all think the same way. WWDB must be the biggest cult in this world! The cult leader who tried to recruit me actually had past employment with municipal governments!!
ReplyDeleteBB - glad this blog is helping you! At ScAmway meetings its the same old bullshit over and over. I've read articles and books by people in the Amway cult in the 70's and 90's and the things they say, we heard that too, so nothing ever changes in Amway except the prices going up.
DeleteYeah what's with all the must wear business attire to every Amway meeting whether its in McDonalds or someone's living room. Dress for success screech out the Amway cult leaders, and OK that's more or less a given, but there are tons of Ambots out there dressing the part but over 99% will never find success in Amway so why not just wear whatever you're comfortable in to an Amway cult meeting? Its all about control. Its how the Amway cult leaders control their worshippers. And yes from what I know firsthand and what I've read from others, WWDB is the most abusive, worst Amway cult sect out there.
Anna, I am so grateful for your blog! I recently was recruited through Linked In by an "Ambot" (love the term by the way) and just attended a meeting the other night. It was positioned to me as a business opportunity that was not about selling but that it was leadership and mentorship. Is this also a typical mo of terminology? The meeting creeped me out because it felt like the presenters were all Stepford couples where as you say World Wide Dream Builders saved their lives and their marriages. Thank god that you have the courage to expose the real truth.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Glad you're finding the blog helpful! Yeah Amway ambots have been hitting up social media since its inception to troll for new cult members. And yup the old "leadership and mentorship" bullshit was said at every Amway meeting we went to too. Nothing ever changes in Amway. Cult meetings should creep you out. The bullshit the Amway cult leaders spout off and the unnatural worship and devotion the Amway cult followers have for these people. The chanting. The Stepford wives, actually I think we have a post around here somewhere called the Amford wives. Yup we're just here to talk about what we heard and saw and how we were treated. And of course to curse out the assholes in the Amway upline!
DeleteAttended conference. It does feel like a cult been wanting to get out. I didn't learn anything the whole weekend and I made sure to sleep at least 6 hours a night. But got grief for it from my uplines. It seems so good until you sign up for it.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - Amway is a cult and the conferences are about drilling in the brainwashing. The preaching from the cult leaders, the chanting of the crowd. Its all creepy. And of course you get shit from the assholes in your Amway upline anytime you refuse to do something - like getting sleep - that means you're a bad little IBO. It's easier to brainwash cult followers when they're sleep deprived.
DeleteThank you so much for this blog. I have been trying to get information on this Amway deal for a while unsuccessfully as i watched my husband devote ALOT of his time to these people. Having "coffees", listening to kates/kites/kits (whatever the hell is called), talking to his mentor, trying to recruit others, trying to convince me to buy all these overly priced merchandise. From the beginning of all this i felt it was definitely a pyramid scheme but i had to be "supportive". Supportive accepting less time with him so he can spend hours with other people. Now its a whole weekend away, spending money on a hotel when we live less than 20 min from where spring leadership is being held. I've already been warned that some event is coming up in another state. Huh? More money spent from people that claim to want you to limit your spending? Claim you're doing all this for your family however by the time you're "rich" how much of your family have you missed out on? But I'm not allowed to be "negative" because supposedly everything is about "postivity". Well I'm positive he's in a cult, wasting money we don't have & losing precious time with his family that he will never get back.
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Glad the blog is helping you out. And that helpless feeling while your husband devotes all his time and money to the fucking assholes in his Amway upline. That piece of shit program is Communikate, but Ambots call it kate and they all brag its their personal assistant. Like bring me a cup of coffee. NOT! Its just a phone messaging and forwarding service. Most cell phone plans these days have those capabilities but this Communikate is part of the Amway tool scam and how the Diamonds make their money, commission of the cult followers who sign up for "kate".
DeleteAnd that helpless feeling of all that useless overpriced shitty Amway products when we all know we can go to the store and buy better quality products for much lower prices.
Spending money on that hotel, if its a hotel that shows on the Amway cult sects web site as one Ambots are encouraged to stay at, means the Amway cult leaders are getting a commission on each hotel. It would piss them off if you stay at home or in an "unapproved" hotel cause then they can't make money off you.
That upcoming even that the Ambots must buy their tickets now is Family Reunion coming up in July. Duncan Family Reunion 2015 is held in Portland Oregon and I think the Puryears are holding one in Washington or Idaho. You know top tourist destinations that are known for being convention towns. LOL!
The good news is most Ambots start to wise up around the 6 month mark in and quit before a year inside the Amway cult. Amway says 95% of participants quit within 2 years so odds are on your side. The fraction of less than 1% of IBO's make money in Amway are not on his side. That's over 99% failure rate at Scamway. Good luck.
I hope this note finds you well.
ReplyDeleteI am fascinated. Every single anti-Amway blog I've visited has excessive profanity, and if I may say, you are the most well-spoken and appear to be one of the most intelligent I've come across.
Similar to a gentleman earlier, I there have been several trainings and seminars that I've attended that were required to keep my job. Most of these I've had to pay for out of pocket. Not one of these cost as little as $125, and almost all of them supplied less information and support material than the last 'Ambot Convention' I attended.
I've known people that spent more on hobbies that had less fun than I've had with 'Ambots'. Although I will admit, if you aren't serious', Amway is one of the more expensive hobbies.
I've known my sponsor for 20 years. I've been in business with him for less than 1 year. I've never known him to lie, neither before or in the last year. He is one of the most honest people I know.
I followed his financial advice, which matches advice provided by the support system for the business and have eliminated over $6000 worth of debt in one year and have payed for all my business expenses from business profit for the last 4 months.
Perhaps it is with cause, but you seem to be prejudiced against people in Amway. I don't know if you'll listen.
You and your husband aren't communicating. If you are this negative, he should not be dragging you with him, and by now he should not be taking money from the household budget. He needs to communicate with you about the household and finances (since in most places everything is 1/2 yours) and his upline (or perhaps his upline's upline until he gets usable advice). He (and possibly his upline) is messing up, not the system.
Like you, just expressing my point of view.
Hi Anonymous. How unusual. A polite ambot!
DeleteThe reason you see profanity on blogs about Amway is, well that's how people best describe Amway. They sell shitty overpriced products and the upline are a bunch of assholes. People in Amway are prudes. When they see swearing they stay away.
Everyone in Amway is a liar. That includes your sponsor, though he's probably brainwashed you and sounds so convincing you believe what him.
Did the financial advice require selling your house or car to pay off your debt? That's usually how it goes with the Amway upline. You'd have paid off that $6,000 a whole lot faster if you'd never joined Amway or hadn't sold something of value.
Yup you've got the whole blame the victim routine down though you're a lot nicer than most ambots who come screeching through here.
If you're happy being a commissioned salesperson for Amway and happy with the way your upline is treating you, then far be it for me to destroy your illusion. Good luck to you.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for the polite response. I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.
I am an Amway distributor. I am not a liar. I would challenge anyone to prove anything my friend has stated as untrue. Like I stated, I've known him for 20 years. If he is not doing his level best to be truthful, he is direct disciple of Beelzebub.
The financial advice did not involve any loss at all, and before the advice, my debt was increasing by more than $1000 a year. I didn't get the advice from anywhere else.
I was not attempting to fix blame, but if I were to blame, I think perhaps it would be his sponsor for not seeing the situation the two of you were unnecessarily putting yourselves into, and your husband for not telling him (or higher). A victim he may be, but a silent victim must of necessity bear some of the blame.
But anyway, we are not convincing one another. I wish you good fortune.
The thing with Amway cause I seen it firsthand is the ambots have brainwashed themselves to believe the lies they're telling are the truth. You'll see it better once you leave the cult.
DeleteOften a lie can be what you DON'T tell a potential recruit as much as what you tell them.
DeleteIf you don't tell them that you are with Amway, that even their own literature shows that 99% of those who join up with Amway won't make any money, that the prices are so high on the products the IBO's themselves are their own best (if not only) customer, that the the "tools" and seminars teach literally nothing about business and are mainly just "positive thinking" brainwashing tools to keep them from paying attention to how much money they are losing (same as the constant meetings), that they would need literally hundreds of people in their downline to even make a decent amount of money and what the chances are of that given how difficult it is to even get a small downline going (or keeping it when people keep dropping out after losing lots of money), and that they are not actual business owners but merely poorly commissioned salespeople... if you don't tell them any of that before signing them up then by omission of the facts you are lying and deceiving.
Very true Anonymous. Amway Ambots are guilty of lying by omission. They say where can you start your own business for $100 or $200 or whatever the cost is today but neglect to say that the IBO has to spend $500+/month buying Amway products and investing in the tool scam. And they lie about the hot off the press news they'll hear at the next Scamway meeting, ahead of all the losers who aren't going to the next cult meeting. And yes the real amount of people you need in your downline/customers to make money at Amway.
DeleteWow, you are a bitter person who needs to learn how to talk properly. Even on a blog, f this and f that just doesn't cut it.
ReplyDeleteYou do realize that WWDB uses Amway just like Apple uses cheap chinese labour to build their iPhones and products that you're probably using right now. At least Amway pays their workers a decent wage.
For the measly sum of lets say $400 for the weekend, you get to meet John Maxwell and others, yet try to hire JM and it will cost you $10,000 plus an hour.
As for people emptying bank accounts and racking up credit cards, he isn't being taught properly, no way you need to do that, or even carry stock, that's 1960's thinking.
EVERY business model in the world, wait for it, is too make money and use other business's for products and services and to wait for it again, make money.
Please, seek help and hope you have a nice life, you're poor husband deserves a medal to be married to you.
At least I'm not a fucking lying Amway asshole. Something you can't say about yourself.
DeleteAnd I learned how to talk properly many years ago. If you got a problem with the way I talk, don't come back. Simple right. Or get permission from some Amway asshole in your upline not to come back. Hop on the Amway truck and get the fuck out of here!
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haha i agreee with you Anonymous! i feel bad for her husband having to put up with this bitter, negative sorry excuse for a life, 24/7.
DeleteAnonymous - like we need any further proof that Amway is a good old boys club with a bunch of male chauvinist pigs putting down women. You forgot to call me a negative unchristian dreamstealer. Why don't you run off and find someone in your Amway upline who wants his dick sucked off and take care of it for him.
Delete"I'm unsuccessful and it's everyone's fault but mine". I don't know about Amway, but I do know I've never read a quote by a famous skeptic.
ReplyDeleteIts odd the things that people go around bragging about.
DeleteOH MY GOD, Anna Banana. I stumbled upon your post while trying to find the dates my husband will be gone for Family Reunion. Oh, right, not our own family reunion as I'm sure you know. I think I love you. You freaking crack me up. You have better grammar with eighteen curse words than mostly everyone who is criticizing you. I agree with so many of your posters, and thank the Lord for some validation because the bullshit I hear from my own ambot is fucking mind boggling. Like others have said, I don't give a rat's ass if he makes 15 million in 5 years... It's the five years we can never get back. We have a two year old and a seven year old. Those days are precious and it is an all out crime to want to sacrifice that to make more money and be "free." I swear to God he's going to be free alright, very, very free. And that is sad, sad to say. He's been doing this nonsense now for almost two years. I wonder how long I can hold out before he "hits rock bottom" as you say, and will quit.
ReplyDeleteAnd to the poster wondering why everyone curses... it's rage. Seriously, what the fuck do you do when someone can't realize how much they are spending. This spending creates STRESS!!!! I was a happy person living a happy life. I'd like my old husband back please :).
Once again, thank you for your humor. You really do crack my shit up. You'd be such a fun friend! Thanks for a few smiles.
Hi Anonymous! Glad you found us! One of the pleasures of being so high up on the search engine ranks for just about everything Amway!
DeleteI'm not sure if you found the dates your husband will be gone for Family Reunion and I'm also not sure why he's keeping the days he'll be gone a big secret from you. Other than everything in Amway is very secretive. Most of the Amway cult sects hold Family Reunion in July. I have the dates to a couple of the WWDB ones on another post but I don't know which Amway cult group he's with otherwise I could narrow it down a bit for you. If he's in WWDB - World Wide Destructive Bastards - that's about the worst of all the Amway cult sects.
Everything your husband is saying the bullshit Amspeak propaganda he's duplicating from the assholes in his Amway upline - we've all heard it before. Amway's lies and lines haven't changed over the years.
You can be pretty certain the assholes in his Amway upline are encouraging your husband to end the marriage because you're an unsupportive negative unchristian dreamstealing wife. I've heard it all before. From the assholes in our Amway upline and from the Amway assholes who show up here to leave comments. Nothing gives those bastards more happiness than destroying other people's relationships sick bastards that they are.
You're not alone in wondering how long you can hold out before he hits rock bottom. All us ambot wives have been in the same situation. Usually most ambots start thinking about quitting around the 4 - 6 month mark when they realize they're not making money, no one wants to buy their shitty overpriced Amway products, and no suckers want to go to Amway cult meetings. They make the mistake of telling the assholes in their Amway upline they want to quit and then they get told - you can't quit now not when success is right around the corner. Or - you're about to go really big in your business, I can feel it. So they might hang on for a few more months. The big push from the upline will be to get them to buy the ticket to the next big Amway brainwashing conference which is Family Reunion in July. I went to a lawyer because I'd had it with his shitty nasty attitude toward me and those fucking assholes in his Amway upline who controlled his life. I wanted to make sure I knew what my rights were and you might want to look into that too in case it turns to worse. Amway destroys so many marriages. No matter what bullshit the ambots lie to you about how Amway saves marriages. Marriages are stressful enough especially when it comes to finances. Throw in being brainwashed by a cult and that's really tough on a marriage. And the ambot's misplaced love and devotion to the Amway cult leaders that should be directed to his own family. Not the fakes at Amway "family reunion". A family of cultists where they come to worship the Great Amway God and their cult of greed.
I'm glad you're enjoying the blog and this is the place to come and curse out the fucking assholes in your husband's Amway upline. Feels good doesn't it!
You guys are all idiots... haha this is hilarious.
ReplyDeleteAt least we're not a bunch of lying scamming motherfucking Amway assholes and that's not something you can say about yourself.
DeleteOh no you hurt my feelings!! How will i ever recover from that comeback :( haha. One day, anna, you're going to be lying on your death bed looking back and realizing what a misserable bitter life you lived, spending your life in anger towards a company when you could just grow up and get over it, and that there is no way you can take any of it back. You think that wont happen hey? Well let me assure you it will. You must live one sorry life if you spend your days ranting about amyway on a blog. I feel bad for you that your life is really that pathetic. Your insults dont hurt me and i know you're going to say the same thing about mine! But i dont care anna because you deserve to be a lonely misserable fuck. Ive been reading a lot of your posts and lets just say i hope you dont live to see another day. Surely you wont be missed. And i know what you're gonna do.. blame what ive been saying on amway.. yes, let's blame a company for the actions of one human being. I am writing this because I want to.. because i am sick of people like you. Not because amway wants me to haha get over yourself anna. Please do the world a favor and die. Thank you.
DeleteAround here we always say one of the reasons NOT to get involved in Amway is because of the people. Amway Ambots are the nastiest, ugliest, most miserable fucking bastards you’ll ever meet in your life. They say the worst horrible things you'll ever hear from anybody. People in Amway are bullies. We write about the things that Ambots say to us and talk about in Scamway meetings. And then Ambots show up here to prove they still act despicably towards people who aren’t in Amway. Nothing ever changes in Amway. Normal people don’t go around telling other people they wish they’d die. Sick sorry Amway bastards do. And you realize your employer reads this blog? How do you think their reaction will be when they see what one of their commissioned salesforce has written? I’d say you are an excellent representation of what people are really like in Amway but I have a feeling your boss won’t be too happy at how you’re representing Amway even though its a true representation. You need to run off to your Amway upline and kiss ass and suck dick and get more instructions on how not to say negative.
DeleteYeah because you're so much nicer hey? haha like i said, you go and blame amway for the things i say..FYI amway doesn't tell me what to say or do. Thats like saying a univeristy or college is shitty because some of people that graduate there aren't nice. Has nothing to do with the school right? People are people and make their own decisions in life! Just goes to show how ignorant you are and how you really dont know what you are talking about. i dont act this way to all people who don't want to get involved. i have many friends who aren't "in amway" who i love dearly. And if people choose not to get involved, i respect them! but it's people like you who i do not respect in the slightest.. Goes around trashing amway because they had a bad their feeling hurt. and calling every single person whos involved in amway an "amway bastard" or "amway scum"... so mature. you dont even know them!! how can you make that assumption? you are so bitter is disgusts me. How will my work read this?? haha. Why you so angry anna? :) if you really don'y like amway, quit being a coward and go do something useful with your life instead of bloggin how much you hate it haha sooo pathetic.
Deleteanywho i am done here :) enjoy your angry bitter life!
Delete*shakes head slowly* so so sad..
I'm glad to hear you're done here. Your comments will be featured on an upcoming post. You words are very true accurate description of every Amway asshole out there. People need to know besides the shitty overpriced products, the Amway people are the biggest reason NOT to get involved with Amway.
DeleteI have a question Anna, what is it with "we'll see if you get an offer"? What's the offer? Will this business generate me any revenue if so in how long will it take? I can't seem to get a straight answer when talking to a sponsor....
ReplyDeleteThe offer is whether or not you will get to receive mentorship. the business opportunity is mentorship. the reason they take people through a process is because they want to make sure that if they are going to be spending their time and money on you to help you succeed, that you are serious and wont waste their time. same reason why you get an interview at a job.. not exactly the same, but the principals are the same.
DeleteIf you want real answers, please don't get them from someone hiding behind a computer screen on a blog who you don't even know. Do credible research.
Anonymous - you must buy 100PV of useless shitty overpriced Amway products each month about $300 to earn commission of $10. If you can sucker anyone you know into buying Amway products you will earn a few pennies commission on each sale as will everyone in your upline earn a few pennies commission even though you're the guy you did all the work. We knew people in Amway who after 10 years still weren't making money and they were CORE. Amway's literature shows only a fraction of 1% make money. Look for the small print at the bottom where it says .000000875% or whatever current number is. That's over 99% failure rate. System is designed for failure. People leave comments here their relatives have been in Amway 20+ years and still aren't making money. You want to be a commissioned salesperson get into real estate or car sales where you can make decent money.
DeleteDon't listen to the bullshit of Anonymous talking about mentorship. There is none in Amway. They talk about this bullshit mentorship and leadership program.
Ask anyone in Amway to show you a profit and loss statement or last year's tax returns. They'll say its private and won't tell you piss all. People who've been there and done that will tell you like it is. You'll spend $500 to $700/month when you add up buying tools and going to Amway meetings all for $10 commission.
After reading this blog I am a firm believer Anway/WWDB is not the way to go. Honestly I'm in the process of reaching an offer as they say but spending time away from my family isn't for me. Thank you for relating this information Anna goes Banana's!
ReplyDeleteyet you will spend hours, days, weeks, and years of your life at a job? haha great choice.
DeleteFirst Anonymous - you're welcome. Many people have shared how much money they've lost to Scamway. The abuse from the assholes in their upline. Its not worth it. Stay away from Awmay the Cult of Greed.
DeleteAs the 2nd Anonymous proves, people in Amway sneer at people who have jobs. Or people who own other types of businesses. They're brainwashed to believe there is nothing out there but Amway. Not everyone is happy spending hundreds of dollars a month to earn $10 commission. Except brainwashed ambots.
Did i say anything negative about them? no. i don't dislike people who have jobs anna haha. i have a job lol. I'm just pointing out the fact that if she doesn't like spending time away from her family, she should look at other options. if you like your job, that's great! keep doing it! but at least have a plan B or something on the side that can allow you to have the CHOICE of staying home and being with your family or going to work. all it does is give you the ability of choice :) nothing less nothing more. if time is our most precious commodity, then why spend it chasing down a paycheck at a job? it's just common sense. not trying to offend anyone here. just trying to shed some light on the fact that just because "that's what everyone does" doesn't mean you cant look into other options too :) I hope you meet someone in amway, anna, that changes your perspective on it! and im sorry you had a bad experience with someone who portrayed amway and WWDB incorrectly to you. They must have not understood it properly either if they mislead you. im sure it wasn't their intention. they were probably new and didn't quite understand it yet them themselves. have a great day!
DeleteYup they're still teaching at Amway meetings that Amway is a blame the victim scam. Yawn.
DeleteWhat are you talking about? Haha
ReplyDeleteI was an IBO sucked into this piece shit when was in college by a platinum, who btw was on his way to going to be a double crown ambassador. Did I mention he quit . He was a sweet talker and I fell for it. Went o my first spring leadership in dallas few years ago. Saw a bunch of losers ( myself included) run onto the stage shouting freedom and worshipping a dimaond oh btw did I tell you he's divorced now and is a fake diamond., means no product money .. only tool money. Wasted my prime youth chasing a lie ; lost relationships and lost friends most importantly time, which I never will get back. I've come to peace with it and not looking back. Guys life is short lets make the best of it. Focus on whats important. We are all ambitious and intend to work hard and make money which is why we chose to be on the look out .. but lets find something which is legitamate. Fight for your goals and your life not go into credit card debt to help someone reach his goal.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - at least you got out before losing too much money and brain cells and before you became a big Amway loser! LOL! Exactly what you've written is the same thing I saw especially at Amway functions or anywhere a Diamond was speaking. All these broke losers rushing the stage worshipping him because he was ripping them off on the Amway tool scam. That's a good message. Don't go into credit card debt to help an Amway Ambot reach their financial goals.
DeleteQuestion to whom could answer it: I want to join WWDB/AMWAY for financial purposes. I have no income nor credit, I have no personal items (no car, no couches) Do I have an opportunity for the "OFFER" from WWDB/AMWAY. Another question, speaking hypothetically I'm in the group: Why do I have to attend the these conventions? If the mind of a business man is to make money oppose to wasting money just to hear people speak about the same things over and over. I could easily pick up some audio or books for motivation.... I don't seem to understand that concept. I'm trying to generate revenue and save for my kids not spend money that serves me no purpose! If it does serve a purpose then why can't my upline "TEAM" just bring back an recorded audio from the function? I don't get it. PLEASE EXPLAIN
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - if you have no income to support an expensive Amway habit nor credit cards you will not be welcome at Amway cult meetings. You have to buy around $300 in Amway products each month to earn back $10 commission. You have to buy "tools" like books and CDs and premier membership and Communikate and admission to functions to hear Amway cult leaders speak, so budget $500 to $700/month on your expensive Amway habit. If you don't have that kind of spare cash or room on your credit card those Amway losers who are currently love bombing you will drop you faster that you can say "broke Amway loser!"
DeleteLess than a fraction of 1% of Amway IBO's make money. Look at the small print on the Amway literature to see the current figure that's a fraction of 1%. That's over 99% failure rate. Surely you can find a better business opportunity that has a higher rate of success.
Hello I have no job, no money, no car, nothing to sell to generate money for a premier membership from WWDB/AMWAY. How will WWDB/AMWAY help me generate revenue to become a millionaire?? I don't think they could advise me financially since I have no money. Do WWDB/AMWAY only give offers to those who have monthly income, just to buy products and attend conventions???
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - the simple answer is it won't.
DeleteStay away from those lying scamming broke Amway losers unless you have an extra $500+/month to hand over to them so they'll keep being your friends.
99% of people who get into Amway LOSE money, not make it. It does NOT bring "extra income", it siphons it away.
DeleteEven if you say "well, I won't buy the motivational books and CDs or go to the seminars and meetings", doesn't matter. Other than the fact that your upline will bug the shit out of you to do those things, regardless, how can you make money selling a product that is sooooooo expensive that finding buyers is close to impossible (other than pity purchases from loved ones). But even the pity purchases die off and loved ones want to get away from you when you keep bugging them to buy more.
Stay away from Amway, there is NOT "extra income" to be made from that pyramid SCAM.
Anonymous - that's right on.
DeleteRight now for a new prospect its double dosage of the love bombing. Welcome to Amway the cult of greed. After they sign up and don't spend the money then the shit kicking from the assholes in the Amway upline begins.
If people want to make extra income they can get a side job say at McDonalds and if they work an hour or so they're already making more money than an Amway IBO makes in a month after a month of putting in 50+ hours and $500+ dollars. Or they could mow lawns, walk dogs, babysit, and tons of other low experience level jobs to do for other people for a few hours a week. Stuff like that is extra income. Amway is a time and money suck. Never get back what you put in.
Hi Anna,
ReplyDeleteSo, I think I've read your entire blog and all the comments. I was approached by someone a few weeks ago, and it all has been so surreal. I am a 19 year-old college student (home for the summer) who still has 2 years of my undergrad and 2 years of grad school. He first asked me a lot of questions about myself and life goals (which appears to be the common approach). He appealed to my values and aspirations, and he is a very nice man (I know him and his entire family). However, I have never heard of any of this stuff prior and I've been doing nothing but research. Okay, so Amway has an A+ rating from the BBB, but does that make it trustworthy? We're talking about billions of dollars here, wouldn't Amway people have the power to influence such ratings? I have read a book written by a multibillionaire who is not (to my knowledge) affiliated with Amway or WWDB. The book is entitled "The Business of the 21st Century", and talks about the benefits of network marketing (but for no specific company). I can't help but feel that the author has a secret contract with Amway or something (I've read so many conspiracies). I definitely see potential, but am not ready to possible lose friends, look like a fool, or be a nuisance to society. At the same time, if it is only a 2-5 year deal that could help me with student loan debt.. ugh. I feel as though this is either a wonderful blessing from God, or a scheme that will take me to Hell and back. So far I have only had the desire to learn more about it. To say I am stressed out would be an understatement... I guess I am just requesting some insight. You refer to your husband as an Ambot, so he must be pretty dedicated, right? It would seem that dedication is the only thing that can ensure success in this 'business', so has he had any success? I'm sorry for the excess information. I am just trying to figure out how to approach this situation (and acknowledge that complete strangers can't help me make this decision).
Thank you so much!
-intimidated 19-yr-old girl
Hi Anonymous. The biggest mistake many make just before they fall into the Amway scam is they doubt their own intuition that has red flags popping up and alarm bells going off. The old "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't" applies here. No, you will NOT be seeing that big payday "2 to 5 years from now". There are many people who get caught up in the cult and even when they are still in debt 5 years, 10 years, even 20 years later they still think "success is just around the corner". It's not. And there is a reason for that.
DeleteAmway is basically a pyramid scheme. They get around it legally by having "products", but the products are so horribly over-priced and generic that often the only product customer of an Ambot is the Ambot themselves. After a handful of "pity purchases" from family members the sales usually dry up due to the very high cost of the products compared to what people can find in real stores.
So then the push is recruitment. Right now you are being "lovebombed" by the person pushing Amway on you. It's a technique to pull you in and once they have you they begin the slow process of brainwashing you with "motivational" books and CD's. They get the new recruit to think only of "dreams and goals" without any foundation of math and profit/loss statements (which they call "negative", probably because the profit will ALWAYS be a negative number). They draw circles and try to make it all sound so easy... "all you have to do is sign up 6 people and each of them signs up 6 people and so and and so forth" which looks cool on paper, but it NEVER works out in reality. Because with any pyramid, the ONLY people making any money are those in the 1% at the top of the pyramid. And where do they make their money? From the 99% below them who are all LOSING money. Thus there is a high rate of dropout of your downline because most wise up and realize they've been scammed and are losing lots of money and their credit cards are at their limit. Which is why they work so hard to brainwash people to not be "quitters and losers" to keep them stuck in the cult losing money to them.
Also remember that in order to recruit people Ambots learn to lie. They twist logic and reasoning with the "wouldn't you agree" game and talking about needing positive thinking to be successful. But positive thinking won't work if the plan is flawed from the beginning.
Remember, according to Amway's own literature, 99% of people won't make money in it. Unless you have a ruthless, lying, no conscience, fast-talking personality you don't have a prayer of tricking enough people to get involved in the scam, of which you would need hundreds and hundreds of people downline to do it, and it's hard to even recruit ONE person due to the bad rep Amway deservedly has.
Amway changes people with their brainwashing, the same way religious cults do with their victims. There are many sad stories on his blog of people writing in to give their accounts of losing spouses and loved ones to the cult that changed them into sneering, arrogant jerks who look down upon anyone not part of their "club".
No one can make the decision for you, but I hope you look into the financial side, how many downline you would have to have buying a certain amount each month in order to make anything. My advice would be to run, not walk, as far away from this scam as possible.
Hi Anonymous - if you've read much of the blog and comments and wow that is some undertaking because we're been around for a few years! - then you know the answer. Many people have shared their personal experiences here. Amway the cult of greed. Where you lose your money and your friends.
DeleteAnd yes I know the intimidation the Amway cult leaders would put on a 19 year old girl. You're being told you're stupid for spending money on college when you could put that money to investing in your own business. You're also being love bombed, common cult tactic. People in the Amway cult are overly nice, showering you with compliments, hugging you, etc. You're at a prime age for being recruited into the cult. I've read blogs where other college students talked about getting recruited into cults while they were at school. Let's focus on the "girl" stuff. You've read this blog. Amway is a good old boy's club with male chauvinist pigs running the show who believe a woman's place is at home barefoot and pregnant and other stuff that went out with the turn of the century. And I'm not talking the most recent turn of the century. Go back to the one before and that's the era of the attitude of men in Amway today. No way will they let a woman get anywhere near the top of the Amway pyramid.
Do you know how the BBB works? And here its important to note that its a violation of Amway's code of conduct if any ambot is bragging about how Amway and the BBB sleep together. The BBB does not endorse any business no matter how many lies an ambot tells you. That's so the BBB remains impartial because they are a dispute resolution service. A consumer places a complaint. The BBB sends a copy of complaint to the business and gives them a date to respond. The business does not have to respond favorably to the customer, they just have to meet the BBB deadline. That's how they get their rating by how timely they respond and secondarily if they refunded money, replaced product, etc. It's all about responding within the BBB deadline on complaints. Assuming Amway hires many full time staff just to deal with the BBB complaints rolling in. If any IBO bullshitted to you about the BBB endorsing Amway, you can call Amway's head office to file a complaint about that person and according to Amway's code of conduct that person will be fired. Yes where else but Amway can you get fired from your "own" business! LOL! However Amway's help desk, better known as the I-don't-give-a-shit department probably won't do nothing if you file a complaint. Really if Amway followed their own rules went around firing all the IBO's who brag about the BBB affiliation then there'd be nobody left buying their shitty overpriced products.
Look at the small print on the Amway literature. You know the ones with all the circles and showing downline and how much volume is being sold. There'll be an * next to a dollar amount and you have to look for really small print where Amway publishes how many IBO's make money. The number is a fraction of 1%, like .0000000367% or whatever the current number is. That's over 99% failure rate. Surely you can figure out a business with a better success rate than that to help pay back your student loans. You can clean houses, do a dog shit removal service, babysit, etc. In the Amway plan in 2-5 years you will be in even worse debt and have to declare bankruptcy and I don't think you can write off student loans.
Anonymous - Here's the 2nd part because I wrote too much!
DeleteMy husband was extremely dedicated to Amway and devoted to the assholes in his upline. It was freaky scary the control the Amway cult had over him.
Look up on the right side of this page for Amway links. You'll see a free ebook you can download called Merchants of Deception. Written by a former Emerald. You need to read this. It lays out how the only people making money in Amway are the ones selling "tools". Just like that book you bought. This man had 1000 people in his downline and was busting his ass to make $2-$3,000/month. Other former Emeralds have said the same thing about their Amway income, even though at Amway meetings they'll bullshit you to believe an Emerald makes over 100k.
In Amway you are not a "business owner". You are a commissioned salesperson and its a really shitty job. You put in many hours. In order to earn commission you have to buy at least 100PV of Amway products every month, that's about $300/month. You will get back $10 commission. Plus if you managed to sucker any family and friends into buying shitty overpriced products you will earn a few pennies on what they bought. You do all the work and everyone in your upline makes commission on your sale, that's why Amway products are so high priced. Its got nothing to do with quality, its because so many people need a piece of the pie. You will also have to buy Amway tools, so count on "investing in your own business" at least $500 - $700/month to make that $10 commission. Really if you want to be a commissioned salesperson there are better companies to work for who don't make you pay for "tools" and buy products from them every month to be eligible to be on that month's payroll. Get into real estate sales.
If you do get sucked into Scamway, and lose your money and go into debt, just remember its a learning experience and you're still young enough to bounce back.
Thank you so much. This crap has literally invaded my mind in every aspect, and has screwed my ability to function properly! If I'm just in the beginning stages and not even committed yet, I can only imagine how intense it gets. I asked the guy how much he has actually made (his net income), and he just fed me a bunch of positive junk about growing as a person and it's not about the money. I didn't know how the BBB worked, but I appreciate you informing me! I did some further research and found that the author of the book he had me read is indeed affiliated with Amway. I am perfectly okay with not being a millionaire, and I don't want to have to rely on other people to determine my success. I also don't want to live off of crappy meal bars and energy drinks, and spend $700 to do so. Yea, I'm out. Thank you so much for your insight, and for helping me not get sucked into a HUGE mess. (Also, I guess I lied. I probably didn't read your whole blog, but I'm so thankful I found it! And I'm sorry for writing so much too!)
Delete-the now informed 19-yr-old girl :)
Hi Anonymous. Glad what you're reading here is helping you!
DeleteNo one in Amway will ever tell you how much money they're making because they're losing fistfuls of money. The only chance they have to make a few pennies back of their losses is to scam other people to sign up with Amway.
Now let's think about this. When you start up a business - is it to make money? Or to grow as a person? I mean what the fuck???!!!! That does sound like something a dumb fuck Amway ambot would say. If you want to grow as a person joining the Amway cult and tithing hundreds of dollars every month to the Great Amway God is not how to grow as a person. If you really want to grow as a person you can sign up for a session with a life coach to get suggestions. You can read self help books. You can volunteer. You don't need to join a cult to grow as a person! I mean what a really fucking dumb thing to say. People start a business to make money. Many people keep working their job while starting a business on the side. When it looks like their side business is on track to meet or beat their job income then they quit their job. That will never happen if you have your sights set on being a commissioned salesperson for Amway.
And speaking of jobs, the real way people in Amway make money is at tax time and they write off all their Amway expenses against the income from their real job to get a refund. The IRS has a whole section of their act devoted to Amway scammers. The IRS has determined Amway is an expensive social club. Someone in Amway probably already told you you can write off everything Amway on your taxes. Uncle Sam disagrees. You can not write off items for personal use like cleaning supplies or any Amway products that you can eat or drink. You also can not write off expenses to attend Amway meetings unless you can prove to the IRS that there was an increase in your Amway sales as a result of attending. Many ambots get audited and are fined and have to pay back.
Always remember - how do you know when someone in Amway is lying? Their mouth is moving. Everyone in Amway is a liar. Only the ambots who have no scruples or morals stick it out longer than a few months. Everyone else their conscience kicks in and they can't scam other people.
You're young. Go out and have fun this summer. Go to BBQs and hang out with your friends. Don't get dressed up and spend every night in someone's living room listening to a sack of shit Amjerk scam you out of your money.
Dog $#|t removal service? Well it could be very lucrative due to volume if the dogs are eating Amway dog food. ( Just remembering how your dog responded to eating it for a while. )
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - I'd never seen so much big shit dog shit in my life as during the short time we fed that shitty overpriced Amway dog food! Normally we feed high quality, low stool dog food. When we switched to the Amway dog food its so full of fillers the dogs processed 3 to 4 times as much shit in a day and HUGE shits! Nobody would want to do dog shit removal service at a home where they feed Amway dog shit. They'd have to be out every day doing pick up and use larger buckets.
DeleteAnna what a POS... I feel for your husband What a loser you are and killed your husbands dream.. what what a great wife,, loser.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is all about showing how people in Amway are miserable, evil fucking bastards and to show that nothing ever changes in Amway some of those fucking Amway assholes show up here to prove that they're miserable fucking bastards. Fucking Amway male chauvinist pig club. Do any of you fucking assholes ever show up here to apologize that Amway turned my husband from a nice sweet man into a miserable sneering evil Amway son of a bitch? No? Do any of you fucking Amway male chauvinist pigs ever show up here and apologize for the hell Amway put me through? No. But what else do you expect from a bunch of miserable fucking Amway assholes. You better go back to the fucking assholes in your Amway upline and get more instructions on how not to say negative. So much for that recording VanAndel put together saying that IBO's shouldn't go around calling people losers. Guess you just gave your boss the big old fuck you! And talk about loser you're so fucked up your posting on a blog about Spring Leadership that was a few months ago. The current Amway brainwashing function is Family Reunion! Fucking Amway loser!
DeleteAmway is the real dream killer. Killing family's dreams of putting money away for trips, a better life, retirement. Because all Amway does is TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM THAT. It's a flawed business plan. All about recruitment on a pyramid where the only people buying the products are the Ambots themselves because everything is so grossly overpriced. So just right there the Ambots are losing money because they could save money by buying elsewhere where items are three times (or more) less expensive.
DeleteThe original poster is the average brainwashed ambot. Ignores REALITY of a 99% failure rate system. Some "dream".
Anonymous - we'll never convinced brainwashed ambots that Amway is the real dream killer or dream stealer. They prefer to find people who are out there telling about their real Amway experiences and how people in Amway are a bunch of fucking assholes and then leave a comment proving that people in Amway are a bunch of fucking assholes who can only say negative, a crime they accuse the rest of the world of. Talk about brainwashed! They are so angry that the word is getting out there that Amway is a scam and the people in Amway are horrible awful evil ambots. Hope that we're part of the reason Amway's sales keep dropping every year. The truth about the pyramid scheme and 99% failure rate is out ambots! Amway killed your dream by setting up a system designed for failure. Not us.
DeleteAmway is a freaking cult. I went to one of their meetings and they were pushy and overbearing trying to get me to join. I said I would think about it and talk about joining with my family. They immediately tell me not to tell my family, that my family does not care about my success and that my family would not let me join them. What kind of shady business forbids you to tell your family about them??
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Thanks for stopping by to share your experience. Yes Amway is a cult! And like most cults they have to separate their followers from family and friends that's why they tell you not to talk to your family. First off someone in your family probably has experienced Scamway in some form and knows to warn people to stay away. Second your family probably have the ability to reason with the prospect that getting involved in the Amway cult is a very bad decision. And yes everything about Amway is shady. Stay away.
DeleteKind of pointless to comment, but I love a good laugh. Anna Banana, my guess is that you have read very little, might not have much of an education, and as you have shown are cynical about EVERYTHING - not just Amway or WWDB.
ReplyDeleteMost of the "facts" or figures you have presented here are completely inaccurate. In addition, I love your Rule #4 below, "gossip serves no purpose." When this whole entire blog is based on your gossip.
It's truly sad that you spend all this time wasted on hate - especially if you are the wife of a WWDB.
If Amway is a huge scam, then why have I seen countless people paying of debt and retiring (including myself).
Have a little hope in your life, stop being so angry - it just causes stress.
Prayers,
A Friend
H great. Another snotty snobby Amway asshole shows up here looking for information the fuckers in his Amway upline won't give him and sneers and laughs at us. Like we give a fuck! This blog is all about turning the tables and laughing at fucking Amway assholes, slinging the shit right back at them. And every time an Ambot bitches about the type of comments we won't publish they always bring up the gossip. As I've said many times even though you Amway losers can't understand we don't let comments go by that gossip about Diamonds having affairs and who they're fucking because that would be irresponsible of us when we cant verify if it's true and it's embarrassing to the people and their families. I get it you horny bastards show up here several times a day looking for information on iamonds and their girlfriends and we just don't give a shit about who they're fucking. Find that gossip somewhere else. And maybe I don't have a hoity toity education from Amway University like you do but at least I don't go around stealing from people and lying about Amway products and how they all cure cancer. So take your fucked up brainwashed attitude somewhere else whereyou can find out more information on who the current fuck interest of your Diamond is.
DeleteWhy comment if its not worth it, dobt you have a klan meeting or tapes to listen to. I hope no one helps you when your family is on the street. Karmas a bitch motherfuckers
DeleteWhy comment if its not worth it, dobt you have a klan meeting or tapes to listen to. I hope no one helps you when your family is on the street. Karmas a bitch motherfuckers
DeleteAnna, the guy who signed himself "A Friend" is just the typical Amway shit-head: arrogant, snotty, pretentious, full of himself, and patronizing.
ReplyDeleteHis presence here proves one thing: Ambots are addicted to this blog! And you're right: it's because they find out things here that their up-line won't tell them. You, JoeCool, and dozens of other brave persons on the internet are telling the truth about Amway's lies and duplicity. This infuriates up-line, but provides an escape route for poor down-line IBOs. Amway is hemorrhaging IBOs in North America like a stuck pig.
As for his insulting comments about education, well, fuck him and the horse he rode in on. I'm a Ph.D. and I teach at a major research university. And I know damn well that Amway is a fraud and a cheat. And thanks to you and other bloggers, a lot of people of all different educational levels know it too. Amway is scared shitless about this fact.
AMWAY IS LEGALIZED THEFT.
Anonymous - our sack of shit Platinum was one of the most arrogant bastards I'd met in Amway but of course I hadn't met EVERYONE in the Amway cult! The bastard who signed us up and the bastard that signed him up were also arrogant Amway pricks. I will say a few ambots I met weren't arrogant but maybe they were fooling me with love bombing!
DeleteWhy does an Amway Ambot give a shit if I'm - too quote those fucking Amway assholes who leave comments here - a negative unchristian dreamstealer, a hater, uneducated, and what the above fuck "a friend" suggests I'm a hateful wife. Also one of my favorites that I'm broke. If ambots are so concerned I'm broke.... send money! There was a post up here a couple of months ago about how people in Amway go around freaking out that the rest of the world not in the Amway cult aren't educated and where we poke fun at Amway University.
As a Ph.D you'd be a prime prospect for an Amway ambot. It's bragging rights that someone signed up a doctor so that's proof Amway isn't a scam because such a highly educated person wouldn't fall for a scam blah blah blah. Amway's a cult. People get brainwashed by cults from all levels of education.
Amway is all about lying and scamming and cheating. Not everyone can do that, brainwashed or not. Eventually morals kick in which accounts for a high rate of ambots quitting and why the cult leaders put pressure on the ambots to keep recruiting.
You're right on. AMWAY IS LEGALIZED THEFT. But the manner ambots put the plan into action isn't legal. Or moral.
Hi Anna Bananna. My wife is in Amway. Honestly speaking, you have some good points. I see these things you speak of clearly, smack right in my in my face.
ReplyDeleteYet what's also clear is that you had a bad experience and are pissed the fuck off. That's cool too. what I can say is that if you want to get your point accross u gotta be more intelligent and articulate.
If i didn't know what I know about these multilevel marketing businesses, i would completely miss the point of this blog because of the Nigger (and I use the word nigger in it's strict definition. I am a black man myself.) type ignorance your displaying.
The truth is as I can tell. You don't feel you've been justly compensated for your efforts. Come on, lets keep it real. If you were making good money you wouldn't be so pissed off talking this way. Further more you don't back any of your claims up with any facts or proof what so ever. So in effect your just rambling on and on like a bitter complaining woman, with a lack of intelligence.
Like I said, I see some of the issues you speak of but those are all subjective in nature. Reality is your a business owner. its a business. A business bitches.... you get out of it the effort you put in it. i stress the word YOUR business.You don't have to do what your upline says, however you can take or leave their guidance.
Who says that you have to attend spring leadership. it's obvious that your upline wasnt sincere in their encouragement and desire to help you get to where they are, and its obvoius that you couldn't decipher the bullshit from the positive aspects. Two sides to everything love.Good and Bad.
Lets keep it real. if these people are idiots and they made good money, then surley you not being an idiot yourself could have easily made good money too, simply by doing exactly what those idiots did to make that money. RRRRIIIIIGGGGHHHHHTTTTT?????
im not saying your a quitter, nor am i advocating for amway. I just wanna know what is it that those idiots did that u didn't do to find success in what they do.
Hi Anonymous - well your wife might be in Amway but you neglected to say that you are too. NOBODY hits up Bing and searches for "what happens at world wide dream builders spring leadership events" if they're not in Amway. Because the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck and would have no reason to do that search. And they would have chosen one of the Spring Leadership posts from this year, not last year.
DeleteSeeing as how this is the only post you've read that hardly makes you an authority of how we got fucked over by Amway. This blog is all about entertaining as well as educating and part of the entertainment around here is cursing out the fucking assholes in Amway. It's also Ambot repellant because people in Amway are prudes and won't hang around anywhere there's swearing. Don't like what you read? Don't bitch about it and don't come back. I mean when I land on a blog that I don't like I don't waste my time leaving a comment and bumping them up higher in the search engine ranks and I know not to come back because the content doesn't interest me. A simple concept that Amway Ambots can't grasp.
But thanks for dropping by with the canned Amspeak bullshit. And hope you find success in a different opportunity because its unlikely you'll be successful in a business designed for failure where over 99% of IBO's lose money.
But of course your wife LOL (you) are going to be in that teensy fraction of 1%. Come on man, you seem intelligent so get yourself and your wife involved in something that won't bring you financial and emotional distress. Amway is for losers.
To Anonymous of March 28, 12:14:
ReplyDeleteYou can't have spent much time reading Anna Banana's blog, because is is JAM PACKED with facts, statistics, testimonies, anecdotes, and endless first-class analysis of what's wrong with the criminal company that your poor wife works for. Anna's blog has been here for YEARS! And it contains dozens of links to other websites and blogs that provide a goddamned tsunami of information, facts, statistics, and analysis of the flaws, faults, foolishness, and fucking flimflam of Amway.
Many of those websites and blogs are fiercely articulate and well-written. They blow Amway's arguments out of the water with their analysis and logic. Why don't you visit them and see for yourself? And why don't you read "Merchants of Deception" if you want a true account of the Mafia-like criminality of your wife's company? Go ahead -- I dare you. Read it!
This blog is designed to let people let off steam, and to spit venom at the up-line scum who have cheated them or their loved ones. There's nothing wrong with that. You can pretend to be a sanctimonious prick if you want, and look down upon us. But we are doing good work here, and we have put one hell of a crimp in Amway's business. Does that piss you off? Too damned bad, pal.
You claim Anna is bitter because she isn't rich. That's a pathetically puerile argument for you to make. Anna is a highly successful business owner. Could Anna have gotten rich in Amway? Sure, maybe -- if she had been a conscienceless, amoral creep who didn't mind fucking over her down-line for Tools, Functions, and enforced PV levels. Is that what your wife does? Is that how she makes money in her Amway business? And are you proud of that?
Making money in this world is not enough, buddy. You also have to be a moral human being. But maybe you and your wife have been in Amway too long to remember that.
Hey thanks Anonymous. This blog is full of people's true life experiences in Amway and readers are always providing links and still those Amway assholes show up here to bitch at us to do our research and get our facts straight like being there in person and witnessing what's going on isn't factual. And what's more funny is this post is about our real life experience at Spring Leadership plus information taken right from the WWDB web page. I mean what's incorrect here? To the best of my knowledge WWDB provided correct information regarding cities, ticket cost, dates, and Diamonds speaking at Spring Leadership, and this was paraphrased here.
DeleteAmway Ambots should spend less time screeching at us to do our research and take some of their own advice and if they did that they'd get out of Scamway pretty damned fast.
Yes Anna, I'm really amazed (and delighted!) by the fact that stupid Amway assholes show up here to rant and rave in their semi-literate manner. They are truly enraged by your blog, but can't help reading it regularly.
ReplyDeleteSince people in Amway are generally naive or stupid, they are probably drawn to read your blog because it provides them with something that the Amway corporation can't provide: intelligent commentary on what's causing their predicament. If you're losing your shirt every month to make up PV levels, you naturally would like to know why. So Ambots come here secretly to read what we say.
I said it once before: this blog is RADIO FREE AMWAY!
Anonymous - if this man's wife was really in Amway, you'd hear him talking the way most people do when their loved ones get involved in the scam. NOT spout off a bunch of bullshit canned Amspeak propaganda. Ambots are so embarrassed they were so fucking stupid (or naive) to get involved with Amway that they always deny involvement.
DeleteRADIO FREE AMWAY! Woo hoo!!!!
Fuck those Amway assholes!
ReplyDeleteCan you believe that these Ambots actually tried to get me to adopt a positive attitude and get me excited about my family's future? They actually encouraged me to get on a personal growth journey to better myself as a human being. These cult leaders tried to convince me that jobs were unstable and that Amway was one of the best ways to create passive cash flow that is only obtained by helping other people do the same. What a bunch of losers. Good thing I never fell for those cult tricks, so now I can go back to my selfish existence barely sustaining my own life that I get to experience on Saturday and Sunday's when I'm not at work. Help other people? I can barely afford to help myself. Why would I want to open my mind to other ways to make an income when I have everything I need to sustain ME. Who needs a successful life mentor and coach when I have a perfectly good boss to tell me when I have to show up in the morning, when to eat lunch, and tell me when I can go home. Good thing I never fell for those Ambot tricks.... Uh oh, how silly of me to lose track of the time, I'm going to be late for work. I guess I better get going so I don't get written up for disobedience or lose my job and have to rely on the government to take care of me. Anyways, have a great day guys! SCREW AMWAY!!!!!
ReplyDeleteJeff - that's how Amway Ambots operate. They toss out hype and excitement about how everyone's gonna be RICH! And in 2 to 5 years you'll have bazillions of dollars in residual income rolling in every month from Amway while you sit back and do nothing but spend time with your family.
DeleteAnd you've described Amway's recruitment tactics and how they must always be positive and never speak negative and you'll be RICH!
You know I can think positively as much as I want and think good thoughts that I'm going to be America's next top model but it just ain't gonna happen! LOL!
It sounds like you can build a better life for yourself working a job and maybe sometime you'll think up something else for a little side income.
Yup FUCK AMWAY!!!!
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ReplyDeleteAnna, this guy Jeff.B is being ironic-sarcastic. He is actually defending Amway and its promises.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - I wondered that at first. But seeing as how Amway employees are checking out this blog and they're the biggest whiny ass squeakers around, if I was an Ambot from Edmonton named Jeff I wouldn't use my real name on a blog like this. Can you imagine the shit kicking from the cult leader at the Amway meeting where they catch up with the infidel? LOL!
DeleteThis Jeff.B from Edmonton probably deleted his last post because he got scared. If his up-line saw that he was coming here to visit, Jeff would be in deep doo-doo.
DeleteAnonymous - he wrote the same thing twice. I guess that's kind of an Amway thing duplicating yourself and all that. But yeah why come back and delete it. Who cares? Amway losers maybe but not the rest of the real world.
DeleteHey anna, so my girlfriend of 6 years and I recently got "drawn" into the amway proposal, or I guess politically correct term as they use it, WWDB. And yeah I have to admit it all sounds super wonderful and surreal. Which it clearly is. I owned a small business and failed, but it was an honest small business, and I wasn't making followers buy shit that they "already buy anyways" if it were as simple as buying from yourself to make money everyone would be fucking doing it. We were working at earning a partnership or whatever the fuck, our sponsors are rubies, shown pictures of trips to Vegas and Disneyland etc all paid for by the corp, but in our last "follow up" they leaked they're current address, which is in an apartment, near our place. Now being 27, and having expended all my money into our business venture, cost me our home and my truck etc, and we live in my girlfriends parents basement currently, but finding out that someone who's been in it for 3 years lives in a shitty apartment complex a block away, definitely hindered my belief.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't ordered to buy a suit to attend the board plan shit but I did anyways, thanks kijiji, 80$ all in for 4 ties an expensive name suit and dress shirts can be used for years to come haha. Shame on me for it not being an alway associated brand however.... Anyways back to the points, I'll admit that even though I realize it's a scam now, from reading the past five hours of this blog and comparable websites, I have learned some, SOME, valuable information as far as where my life is and what te fuck I'm doing wrong. The sponsors may have been genuinely good people hence their mistake in helping us see a little bit better budgeting and self confidence etc long before an offer was extended to us, which still has not been. But I think I'll ride the free info right up to the extended hand part comes which I will then have to pocket my hands and walk away. I do want a better life for us, for our future children and so on and so forth, but in reality, I doubt very much I can convince thousands of people to sign up. If it takes years to lie to thousands upon thousands to focus on PV instead of maybe creating your OWN business that you actually OWN. Then I'm convinced that it's not the way to go. Whether we grow old and die broke living in a basement, or figure shit out and get rich ourselves in an honest way, love is love. Cardboard box home or fucking mansion, and I don't think I'm willing to sell my soul to a fake cause to create our wealth. Thanks!!
Korby - Thank you for stopping by to share your story!
DeleteI think your Amway experience is pretty normal. You get drawn in by probably a charismatic Amway cult leader. You get love bombed by the whole group (common cult tactic). You get wowed by the promises of bazillions of dollars in residual income rolling in monthly after 2 to 5 years. But then you have questions. And the assholes in the Amway upline scream at you to "never question upline". They insult you and mock you for not signing up anyone or finding customers. And then say "but we still love you". CULT!
Then you get fed up because you're losing money and start looking online (total no-no when you're in Amway) and realized you got scammed and just about everyone else has the same story and experiences that you have. And you cut your losses.
You probably went through that with your small business. When the expenses exceed the income you have to figure out how long this is sustainable before closing down and cutting your losses. And I do want to say don't give up if your passion is to own your own business. It just means you haven't found the right business yet. There are articles on the Internet and books at the library that might help you figure that one out.
As for the Amway loser living in a shitty apartment complex. Amway is all about fake it till you make it. Except for over 99% of participants they'll never make money in Amway. It's a system designed for failure.
If you haven't already done so download a free ebook called Merchants of Deception. There's a link on the right side of this page under more info about Amway. Written by a former Emerald with 1000 people in his downline and he was only making $30,000/year which is a far cry from the lies you hear at Amway meetings about how much an Emerald is making like 100k+. If you don't know 1000 people you can keep motivated to be in your downline you have no hope.
Come on there are better businesses that you can start up. Amway is all about being scammed to think you're a "business owner" when your really a low paid commissioned sales rep.
Amway is all about lies. As you figured out. What's more important to you. Making money or selling your soul?
Good luck to you!
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ReplyDeleteYeah I'll keep my soul. We were supposed to attend a plan tonight, and rally this weekend, we decided after a couple hours of talking, that we can make it on our own, as anyone else can if they believe they can. In what, we don't know yet, but I can say it will be honest at the least. She's napping as we speak and I ignored our potential sponsors texts asking me if I have the address for tonight. I thought maybe this was a door to something bright, but after opening it and walking the hallway in literally hundreds of people's spoken truths, is it really sensible to brainwash ourselves to pretend we are the 1% in that fucking company?
ReplyDeleteWith statistics showing the decrease in diamond qualifications per year plus the ones dropping out left and right from ibo to emerald and beyond, clearly shit isn't as kosher as its plattered for our hor d'ourve hungry fingers. It's sad that people buy in and fail, and obviously some people get rich, but being a recruiting fuck with only your own wealth in mind isn't my idea of "helping" people. Yeah I want my children to have a legacy to grow into but not something they have to alienate to and follow religiously to see results. If people that dedicated that much effort to amway for the years they've been in it focused on other things think of where they could be. Some fucking people in there did it for 12+ years and dropped out. 12+ years wasted. Fucking crazy. Thanks for this blog, definitely a great place to vent the near financial death stories us "prospects" almost buy into. im currently a partner in a safety product for the trucking industry that I've helped design and fund to our current "battling the start up" faze, parents in place and although it's a snails pace, it's fucking gut wrenching to think I almost put more focus on wwdb than I would be on helping us grow that. Fucking blindfolds for the vulnerable and hurting. Dicks.
Hi Korby. Yeah I think you're getting it. Stay away from Amway meetings to unbrainwah yourself and you see more clearly that Amway is a scam. And yeah if those Ambots who've wasted 10 years or more had applied themselves to a real business instead of being a scammer they might have made something for themselves.
DeleteJust beware now that you've missed a meeting and plan to miss a rally you'll now be subject to texts and phone calls from the asshole in your Amway upline that will turn vicious. Amway cult leaders know their followers must keep attending cult meetings or the brainwashing will wear off and they'll lose money on you. Just tell them to fuck off and that will probably do it. Or tell them you've started up a film company to produce gay porno flicks and ask the other ambots if they'd like to invest. Ambots are prudes. Either of those methods will get rid of them. Good luck.
Korby's comments are the reason why Amway in North America is slowly shriveling up. People are reading the horror stories posted at this website and others, and they are realizing the terrible mistake that joining Amway is. Korby has had a close escape. Let's hope many others will read this blog and also manage to escape.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - by sharing our Amway horror stories online it helps us heal and it helps others not make the same mistake. Ultimately loss of revenue for Scamway.
DeleteThanks for that book referral. I know the subject took place years ago but honestly the "vetting" process and the I love you's and all the other fucked up creepy bullshit is definitely still going on and totally unchanged. What a massive fuck fest of stupid, brainwashed corrupt people.... Didn't realize just how deep that went. Anyways keep up the good blogging I appreciate stumbling across this!
ReplyDeleteHi Korby. That book might have been written years ago but the whole time I was reading it I felt like I could have been right there in the room with him. The things said and done at Amway cult meetings are still being done today. In fact they were saying the same thing back in the 70s according to some readers who were in Scamway back then. Nothing ever changes except for the faces and the prices going up.
Deletewith all the hate for amway and world wide. what do you have to back it up? what have you achieved? how has your 9-5 job done you any good? what if you decided to not show up for your job? would they fire you? seriously. no one honestly cares. i mean isnt your bosses farrari paid for becuase of his employees? seriously if you feel so strong about you opionion lets talk on the phone. or do you enjoy hiding behind a computer like all of the pedifiles and rapists? this blog has no real value.
ReplyDeleteUnknown from Lehi, Utah - why do you want to work for a company that so many people hate?
DeleteAnd I'm not here to answer your questions you fucking Amway loser. If you read most of this blog you'd have your answers. Let me quote every fucking Amway asshole that shows up here: DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!So take some of the advice of Amway losers.
I've been a business owner for many years. A real business owner who has a real business license, a real tax number, a real accountant, a real lawyer, a real place to conduct business, real staff, real products etc etc. I don't always show up because that's why we hire people. So I'm going to fire myself if I don't go into the shop one day? What kind of dumb fuck are you? Oh wait I know the answer. An Amway dumb fuck. Amway Ambots are the biggest losers around.
If this blog has no value how come Amway's cult leaders tell their followers to stay away from it? Why are you violating your employer's rules by posting here.
Utah is a state with the biggest percentage of MLM rackets. This asshole from Lehi is probably in one of them.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous- that might also be true of cults! Hope that’s the last we see of that Amway asshole.
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