Tuesday, November 24, 2015

Getting Prospected By Amway Ambot Part 2

Continued. A reader shares his story about how Amway scammers follow a script and how Amway Ambots are tax evaders.

Monday night I went to this meeting. I told the upline that I didn't think that I would be able to get enough people to buy Amway products. No one that I know does extensive online shopping, they all prefer to go to a physical store, and I can't imagine anyone spending $68 for Vitamin C when they can get twice as much for 10% of the price at Walgreens. I told him that I didn't have enough time right now to devote to Amway, and that the idea that the only way to make money was to recruit more people concerned me. Oversaturation maybe?

My favorite part was when I brought up taxes. The upline kept talking about how all the travel could be deducted as a business expense, so I asked how reporting income for tax purposes works.
Him: "Well, it's more of a hobby, so we don't need to pay taxes on income."
Me: "So how can you deduct travel as a business expense, if it's not a business?"
Him: "It is a business, you own your own business."
Me: "But you said it was a hobby, then a business."
Him: "You can't really understand how it works until you're operating your own business."
Riiiiight. I'd rather not get audited for screwing with my taxes like that, or find out that you're lying and screwing me over.

Anyway, I was the third or fourth person that night that he tried to sell on the idea, and the only one that asked any questions or wanted to research the idea. Everyone else signed up immediately and dropped $165 without even knowing what they had to do. Complete idiots! I told the guy that I wanted to look at my schedule and look into Amway more and see if I thought it would be good for me. Essentially, I just wanted him off my ass for the night, I had stuff to do and he just kept pushing.

So at the end of the meeting, he sent me on my way under the assumption that I would be returning the next week overflowing with excitement about Amway and would sign up. He also gave me some of the XS stuff (one sip was gross enough for me) and a cd to listen to (Eric Thomas is far more motivational).

The next meeting was supposed to be last night, and I told the guy that had tried to recruit me (he only contacted me about 5 times to see when I could meet, I do have a life outside of constantly checking my phone) to tell the upline that I was too busy to be at the meeting and felt that I was too busy to "open my own business" (I love how they pass off Amway as their business, it's not their own at all) and didn't have time for Amway. Haven't heard from anyone in over 24 hours, so they've either given up on me, or are planning a new way to make me understand that I do have time for Amway.

As a side note: one of the new recruits asked the upline if he was a millionaire, after the upline told us that it was so easy to become a millionaire in a few years. He told her that he wasn't one yet, but was guaranteed to be by the time he is 30. First of all, this actually could be possible, because he spends his entire life recruiting people for downline and to buy his products, he might actually make some money, but only because he deceives everyone he knows for his own benefit (he forced his mom to buy Amway product), but he won't make a million in the next 8 years, only way to do that is to have a REAL job or own a REAL business. Second, no income is ever guaranteed, things happen, there is no way to guarantee money will be there outside of a CD or savings bond. Maybe these Amway fellows need some personal finance classes. Finally, when she asked to see some numbers, he wouldn't show her anything, which would logically tell someone that the numbers he says are false. Sad thing is, she still paid $165 and signed up for Amway.


  1. Man, that up-line creep was lying through his teeth. And his advice to you about the IRS was dead wrong.

    If Amway is a "hobby," then you can't deduct any expenses you have in it as a "business loss," But if Amway is indeed a business, then you can't keep claiming losses for two or more years in a row, since the IRS will then say that your so-called 'business" is just a hobby.

    The up-line creep was just trying to distract you for the real facts. All he wanted was to get your $165. Amway liars are famous for giving prospects double-talk and smoke-and-mirrors -- and in this case his lousy advice was dangerous, as it could get you into serious tax trouble.

    I would have liked for you to tell us more about the brain-dead people at the meetings who forked over $165 without the slightest question or hesitation to join Amway. What were they like? Did you talk to them at all and get any idea of what they were thinking? Did they seem normal?

    1. Anonymous - everyone in Amway lies through their teeth, its part of the job qualification! LOL!

      And as typical with all bad advice from Amway Ambots the advice about the IRS is wrong. We were told we could write everything Amway off on our taxes. We didn't. Or rather our accountant refused to have anything to do with a pyramid scheme which probably slapped sense into Ambot. But many ambots do their own taxes or have another ambot help them and they do write everything off against the income from their real job and get a tax refund and that in a nutshell is the only way to make money in Amway. Uncle Sam not too happy about that though and the IRS has a special section dealing with Amway distributors. Write everything off = audit!

      The only thing anyone in Amway wants off of you is money. It'd be cheaper just to hand them over $20 and say don't bug me again and that's like the equivalent of 2 months commission from Amway if the Ambot is being CORE and buying minimum 100PV each month.

      There's a post around here that we rerun every year that is just a link to a psychiatrist who got tricked into going to an Amway meeting. He was supposed to give a talk to a men's club but after he got there it was very clear he wasn't going to be any talking at this Amway meeting. But he observed the people and their dreams and he said they were otherwise normal people with normal goals such as wanting to save for a vacation or buy a house type of things. So yes normal people get scammed into Amway and then they turn into arrogant sneering miserable Ambot bastards after their brainwashing is complete.

  2. Hi Anna B. Check this page on this site out an out cults. I can smell the stench of Amway as I read it. I haven't checked out the rest of their site but thought it was spot on regarding the stuff Amway does. http://www.cultwatch.com/howcultswork.html

    1. Hi Living a Nightmare. Yeah that's a good one. I've been there before. But its always good to reread these things. Have you checked out the link to the podcast below? Perhaps you can get your ambot to listen to it with you.

  3. Great discussion on this topic...found it very helpful as I'm still recovering from the brainwashing I experienced from the WWDB cult http://theartofcharm.com/podcast-episodes/robert-fitzpatrick-mlm-doesnt-work-episode-247/

    1. Thanks for the link Aaron. Everyone should listen to this but make sure you have an hour.

  4. It was worth it...I experienced the loss of a relationship because of "the business" my partner recruited me into WWDB and at first it seemed great...until she became a crazy ambot asking me to tell people stories and setting unrealistic goals and trying to aliente me from my family and friends that where "negative" your blog had provide me some comfort during this time as it proves that I'm not a " broke loser" but actually I was still able to use my critical thinking to get out of the deceitful business built on lies and manipulation!

    1. Aaron - worry about your partner. WWDB = World Wide Destructive Bastards and nothing brings them more happiness than destroying other people's relationships. Sick fuckers that they are.

      Yup Amway is all about alienating the ambot from their friends and family, telling ambots to dream big, and everyone not in the Amway cult is doomed to be a broke loser.

      Yup this blog is all about helping others who have an ambot in their lives know that they're not going through this alone. Ambots have a very standard routine as set in motion by the Amway cult leaders on how to act and what to say. Amway takes a nice person and turn them into an ugly nasty sneering Ambot with a shitty attitude. And also this is the place to curse out people in Amway. Some can't do it so we do it for them!


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