Dishonesty and Blame

On the Phoney Pins thread IBOFB says:

It seems though, Anna, that you're saying that your husband was actively and knowingly breaking Amway rules to get bonuses/recognition he didn't earn?

And it's his upline/Amway's fault for not checking better that he wasn't being dishonest?

What about the phrase “duplicate upline” which Ambot diligently followed. Ambot’s upline were dishonest and they taught him how to be dishonest when it came to the Amway business.

Isn’t IBOFB’s response really typical? Amway supporters are quick to point fingers and blame IBO’s who can’t make any money with this business. You didn’t try hard enough, you weren’t core, you didn’t listen to enough tapes, etc, etc. How many of the supporters point fingers and say you failed at Amway because you were honest.

Speaking of being honest, how come Amway doesn’t properly reveal how much IBO’s can expect to earn? Just some bullshit about the average IBO earns $115/month. I can tell you Ambot never came close to that amount. I think he broke $10 a couple of times when he purchased $700 or $800 in Amway products in a month but most of the monthly checks were $8 or $9. 

Amway is issuing checks so they know what is being paid out in commission. Wouldn’t it make more honest if they published the commission IBO’s can expect based on their own data?

I’ll create a table as a simple example Amway could use. The numbers below are hypothetical, just off the top of my head but maybe they’re closer to the truth than we know. Why doesn't Amway publish a similar table based on their knowledge of the monthly checks issued to IBO’s? It would be the honest thing to do.

Here is the amount of bonus checks IBO’s are currently receiving each month:

70% of IBO’s earn checks between $1 and $10

15% of IBO’s earn checks between $10 and $25

10% of IBO’s earn checks between $25 and $50

4% of IBO’s earn checks between $50 and $100

1% of IBO’s earn checks over $100

Then in big print something to the effect that IBO’s must purchase approximately $300 in Amway products each month in order to meet at least 100PV to earn a monthly commission check. And then another table that shows how much IBO’s can expect to spend each month in CD’s, tapes, functions, LOS membership, etc. And before Tex brings it up, Amway should also be honest and state that the real income to be earned is from the sale of tools and that is only available to IBO’s once they have reached a certain PIN level in the company after they have signed up 100 IBO’s in their downline.

With an honest disclosure about the income and expense of an IBO people can make a better informed decision whether or not Amway is a good business opportunity for them.

But Amway doesn’t publish information like this because prospective IBO’s would look at that table and say holy shit that sucks count me out.

Even though IBOFB is quick to point fingers at who is dishonest those fingers don’t seem to be pointing at Amway.

Though I'm sure he'll be posting a comment here saying "where did you get those numbers?" "What kind of research did you do to get those numbers?"

Dumb ass. I already said my numbers are hypothetical. Let Amway fill in a table with the real numbers.

Phoney Pins

There were IBO’s we knew that became 1000 pins. Our Platinum would sneer at them that they were phoney 1000 pins and yes he was right. These suckers were putting thousands of dollars in Amway purchases on the credit card in a month so they could meet their upline’s goals and so they could “walk across the stage”.

Yeah so what? I appeared in ballet recitals when I was younger. I’ve pirouetted across a few stages in my time. Big deal.

Let’s see. Anyone upline checking to see if any of these 1000 pins actually have customers, especially the ones with no downline? Somewhere in the Amway rules it states how many retail customers one must have or some percentage before being eligible for a bonus check. Obviously our last sack of shit Platinum was well aware of the phoney pins and he wasn't doing his part by ensuring the downline had the required amount of outside of Amway retail customers.

I have no idea what the criteria is but I’m sure someone more familiar with those rules will chime in to the comment box. Maybe they’ll also chime in why nobody upline checks to see if the IBO has made sales to outside customers who are not in Amway.

I can tell you nobody upline checked that Ambot actually had customers before he got his $10 or $20 check each month depending on how much money he’d spent on Amway products.

I am happy to say during our last descent into hell that Ambot did not become a phoney 1000 pin. I don’t think he had that much space available on his credit card otherwise he’d have probably tried.

I am unhappy to say that Ambot did become a phoney 1000 pin during the first WWDB stint. His upline Platinum pushed him so she could meet some goal I guess. He spent all day on the phone trying to convince friends and relatives to buy products. I think he may have had a couple of friends commit to making small purchases but the majority of his purchases were for his own consumption, mainly vitamins. So he got his phoney pin and walked across the stage years ago. Whooppee!

Then the credit card bill arrived the next month and he’s sitting here staring at all these boxes of Double X that we’ll never use nor find anyone else to buy. There were other products as well. I just remember he bought a lot of vitamins.

He managed to return some for a refund which put his PV/BV into a negative situation. Also put his Platinum in a negative situation because the old battleaxe phoned to bitch at him about all his returns and point out he’d lost his eligibility for being a 1000 pin. I don’t think he cared anymore by that point. But get this. She bitches about buying him dinner because he met that level.

Ha ha! She’s bitching about dinner and we’d spent thousands of dollars on her Amway scheme. Who should be bitching at who here?

That’s one old bitch that I can only hope has frittered away her life savings on trying to build an Amway business.