Monday, March 5, 2012

How to be a Good Amway Cult Leader

Here are my observations based on observing our sack of shit Platinum on what qualities a person must possess if they want to be a good Amway Cult Leader.

If you don’t possess these qualities or unable to be coachable and learn them then Amway is a bad career choice. Well.....Amway is a bad choice all around no matter what your aspirations are!

  1. Absolute dictatorship. This was mostly clear to me from our sack of shit Platinum who we heard speak more than we heard any other speaker, Emerald or Diamond. He demanded everyone in his downline to “ask permission” before doing anything. Constantly telling us to “submit to upline” and never question upline.
  2. No accountability. Its OK to brag about your accomplishments, bank account, material possessions, business profits, etc but never show proof to anyone who asks. If anyone in your downline asks for proof fall back on “never question upline”.
  3. Intolerance for questions. “Never question upline! Who do you think you are asking me something like that! Everything I say is the truth!”
  4. Refusal to disclose financial information regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. Our sack of shit Platinum never showed us none of his financial information though he wanted to see all of ours.
  5. Incite unreasonable fear about the world outside of Amway. Our Platinum was always preaching about impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and all things negative. All the time! What else is out there except Amway? The answer to everyone’s prayers. Financial security for the rest of your life. Everyone else is doomed to have a J.O.B. and work for someone else.
  6. Must be able to lecture long sermons about negativity. Negativity is the main topic at Amway meetings - doom and gloom, businesses shutting down, social security won’t be there when you retire, etc.
  7. Must be good at insults, particularly mocking people who leave Amway. There is no legitimate reason to leave, not when success is right around the corner. Amway cult followers are always wrong in leaving and besides that they are also negative and evil. A good Platinum cult leader must ensure his cult followers understand that the people who leave Amway are quitters, losers, broke losers, negative, dream stealers, etc.
  8. Promote ostracism. Ensure that IBO’s understand they are not allowed to associate with former friends who have quit the Amway cult.
  9. Must be good at abusing cult followers. Hurling insults and then telling the ambot you are doing this for their own good and you still love them.
  10. Must be good at destroying relationships. Platinums in the Amway cult must learn to separate the ambot from their friends and family.
  11. Must be comfortable destroying other people’s finances, including but not limited to encouraging cult followers to run up credit card debt, take out line of credit or bank loans, telling them to skip mortgage payments so they can buy more Amway products or attend the next function, etc.
  12. Good at inflicting emotional distress. This can be a combination of destroying marriages, causing bankruptcy, foreclosure, alienating cult followers from their friends and family, and anything else they can think of to cause unhappiness and stress in the lives of the cult followers.
  13. Good at doling out punishment to cult followers who refuse to leave their wives or otherwise disobey the cult leader’s instructions.
  14. Must always be RIGHT. No one is allowed to win an argument with the cult leader who is all knowing and always right. The news media and Internet are always wrong especially if they have different information than the Amway cult leader. The only one who knows the truth is the Amway cult leader. Everything and everyone else is wrong.
  15. Able to control information as a means of brainwashing. Must be able to brainwash all cult followers to believe that the Amway cult leader is always telling the truth and the information must never be questioned. Do not believe any information from sources outside of Amway cult leaders. The cult leader must master the ability to control information in order to remove the cult follower’s ability to think for themselves.
  16. Good at deception. Very important for promoting the Amway scam.
  17. Ability to discredit an information source instead of debating the truth. Must excel at diversion techniques and character assassination techniques to distract cult followers from the truth.
  18. Must have a huge ego and the ability to find many cult followers to stroke it.
  19. Ability to use sleep deprivation as a means of brainwashing. This is done by keeping ambots at Amway cult meetings up to 1 or 2 or 3 in the morning until they are so tired that they’re willing to agree everything they hear at that hour is the truth.
  20. Ability to argue for hours that Amway is not a pyramid scheme.
  21. Good at love bombing - arranging instant friends for new cult members, lots of hugging, smiles, nicey nice behavior, etc.
  22. Good salesmanship - must particularly be good at bullying people into buying overpriced products that they don’t want or need.
  23. Knowledge of bible and biblical terms. All cult leaders must convince their followers that they are doing the Amway business all in the name of Jesus or God and Jesus wants you to do the Amway business. Must be good at twisting biblical references to suit Amway’s purposes. Love thyself first. Love thy money second.
  24. No conscience. Very important not to have a conscience when you are in Amway and if you want to be an Amway cult leader because you are scamming people out of their money, lying to them, being negative, destroying families, and causing emotional and financial distress to others.
  25. Must be greedy. All good Amway cult leaders must be obsessed with money and material possessions.
  26. Must have a screwy, unbalanced, and evil mindset. Normal, well balanced, compassionate human beings need not apply to be cult leaders in Amway..
  27. Ability to paint a dream land fantasy in the eyes of the cult followers of the lives full of riches they’ll have in 2 to 5 years with millions of dollars in residual income flowing in each month to easily afford their new luxurious lifestyles all thanks to Amway. In other words, the ability to sell the hope not the soap.
  28. Must strictly follow Amway’s cult leader slogan: “Lie and deny.” That is the secret to success in Amway.
  29. Must be good at bullshitting. This includes lying about your own (imaginary) accomplishments, pumping people up by whipping the crowd into a frenzy of excitement about belonging to the Amway cult.
  30. Ability not to care about who you step on as long as you make a buck.
  31. Most important. Must be able to lie and deny that Amway is a cult. The truth about the secret Amway cult must not be revealed until new recruits have been signed up and the brainwashing begins.
My list is based on my observations and it might not be a list of qualities that the Amway corporation necessarily wants their Platinums to have but this is the reality of how they turn out and behave. Amway the corporation turns a blind eye to this behavior - namely abuse from the upline - and refuses to take action against the troublemakers. Chop off a Platinum and there goes a stream of income. Its this kind of IBO antics and bloggers like myself who reveal them that contributes to giving Amway a bad name. Most companies take responsibility for the actions of their employees. Not Amway. Rather than take complaints seriously at the head office they prefer disgruntled customers and former employees to take to the Internet to make sure everyone searching for information gets the real picture. Being a good corporate citizen goes right out the window here!

Not everybody loves Platinum cult leaders the way Amway does!

Some of them, like myself, expose them on the Internet so everyone knows what hell awaits if they get involved in Amway thanks to lying sack of shit destructive Platinums!

98 comments:

  1. Great list. All true. And add on top of it that the need to, no matter how hard the downline works, no matter how many people they prospect, no matter how to the letter they do as they are told and taught, no matter how many hours, time and dollars they sink into it, always tell them the reason they still haven't made money is because they are not doing it right. The "business" is infallible, so it is ALWAYS the fault of the downline that they aren't walking the beaches of the world 5 years later (assuming they still have any possessions left to hock to stay in the "business" by that point).
    ~Dave

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    1. Thanks Dave. We can always come up with a few more qualities a Platinum Amway cult leader must possess if we spend a little more time on it!

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  2. Ho....leee... Shit! So I come home from my JOB today (which is awesome) and there it is. They slid a flyer under my door! Tell me what this sounds like. It was in spanish so I will translate. Would you like to earn $200-$500 per week without having to leave what you are doing? It then states a date and time at a hotel where the meeting is. As well as a name and phone number to make a reservation. Thank god I wasnt home, or else I may have had some choice words for these individuals! Of course it would be horrible to call this number at midnight to confirm their reservation in hell.

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    1. Oh no! And rather presumptuous that they gave the invite in Spanish. What if you didn't understand it? What if you got the invite in Chinese?

      I last got an invite a little over a year ago - in English. Typical Amspeak that ff course avoided saying Amway because the liars don't want you to know beforehand. They want to tell you all about the awesome business opportunity before they drop the dirty word.

      Check out the links in these posts for inspiration on making that midnight phone call!
      http://marriedtoanambot.blogspot.com/2011/10/getting-revenge-on-ambot.html

      http://marriedtoanambot.blogspot.com/2011/11/wipper-brothers-amagrams-prank-call.html

      That will help you out with the midnight call!

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    1. Diana - you must be REALLY WEIRD!

      I get it. Another drive by spammer. For some reason early this morning you spammers all crawled out of the woordwork. But thanks for driving up the traffic to my blog!

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  5. I was part of this cult mindset for 5 years. I was susceptible because at the time I was not grounded in truth.

    The bottom line: Amway is a false religion. They cut & paste out of the bible & distort the truth for their own purposes.

    Luckily God opened my eyes & I was able to escape this hell.

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    1. Anonymous - congratulations on getting out of the Amway cult after 5 years. I imagine the longer you're in the more brainwashed you get. It must be a big relief to have your life back under your own control now and not under the control of your Amway cult leader.

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  6. A family member found "motivational tapes" at a rummage sale. It was a series of motivatinal tapes for Amway members. As a person not involved with Amway, my objective view is that it seemed very much like a cult. One recording stated that "if you ever want to be a Diamond you must consider what is more important, your family or your commitment to Amway" Also, "If you want to be a Diamond, you may have to make some hard decisions that may cause problems for your family, such as moving to another state". Degrading emotions were addressed to those Amway members who were not in the upper pyramid scheme. It seemed very much like a religion/cult, and not a job you leave at 6:00 pm to your real life (family, friends, etc).

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    1. Anonymous - when you're inside the Amway cult the leaders want you to listen to at least 15 minutes of tapes each day. That's what keeps the flock brainwashed. Mostly those tapes the people talk about how their lives used to be and how great their lives are now thanks to Amway. They throw in a few biblical references and there you have it - cult teachings!

      Yup those are the sick things that are taught to Amway ambots. Leave people behind, cut people out of your life. The old seek and destroy motto that was part of our line WWDB - World Wide Destructive Bastards. And yup I've heard Diamonds say even after they reached Diamond level that their upline counselled with them to move to another state to "build their business".

      Your family member needs to burn those tapes!

      And its really funny. When I first started writing this blog I had this emotionally disturbed Amway supporter who used to show up here. If we said Amway tapes instead of CD's he'd about shit his diapers demanding to know where we got hold of tapes when they haven't been sold for about 10 years and we must be listening to old stuff thats no longer part of the teaching. Ha!

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  7. Makes great reading as i am one very sceptical husband whos wife has met a fellow mum out walking who has promised her the life of riches by joining this Amway shopping quest,

    from the outset of listening to the preaching of what you want in life and how this can be achieved by getting your family friends etc to invest in this, then you are in a team!!sense of belonging and meetings where all the rich amway figures attend looking healthy and telling you to invest in there seminars and conferences etc...

    thanks for your blog and its great knowing that im not alone in fearing this monster

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    1. Anonymous Husband - I hope you can convince your wife not to get involved in this scam. Yes you have summer up Amway in very few sentences. They suck in prospects with the idea that they'll be rich and all their dreams will come true and they can retire early and never work for the man again.

      Amway is a cancer that has affected many lives for the worse.

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    2. I hope you can get her to look more deeply into the scam before she is in too deep, Anonymous Husband. You hit the nail on the head with their tactics. The story I see over and over again are people talking about how they were approached by prospecting Ambots first with the build up of "what are your dreams?", "how would you like to be rich and retired in 2 - 5 years?", "jobs are for losers working for someone else where you die broke and alone by age 65" etc etc. The game is to get the person thinking they hate their current life/job and then get them excited about an amazing foolproof escape plan to get rich and have all the things they ever dreamed about before the Ambot even tells them what they would be doing and the name of the company they'd be doing it for. All a part of the brainwashing, getting the mind to let down its guard because it wants so much to believe it can have all the things its ever desired.

      It's all done in steps. In the beginning it's made to sound so easy. "Just buy the things you normally would anyway and then get friends and family to do the same". Minimal effort and "low start up fee". Then, of course, once they have hooked the fish, they start adding things in. Meetings (that cost money), "tools for success" (that cost money), pressure to increase monthly PV (that adds money as the "bonus check" is only a fraction of what is spent on grossly over-priced products). And as the costs mount, they are told their lack of success is their own fault. "You aren't buying enough tools. You aren't going to enough meetings. You aren't putting in enough hours." And the more meetings they go to, the more CD's and books they consume, the deeper the brainwashing sinks in. Reality is turned inside out.

      And this is when it will get very scary for a spouse. That wonderful, loving, amazing person they love so dearly will start to change. Their personality becomes drone-like. All they talk about is Amway-related news. Old friends who don't "get on board" are tossed aside for not supporting their business. Everything starts to be "us" (Amway) versus "them" (everyone not in Amway). Like a religious cultist, they will spout Amway doctrine constantly, which includes apples to oranges comparisons and gobbledygook doublespeak. Regardless of other people being happy and doing fine financially, they will sneer at everyone not in Amway as being "broke losers". Trying to show them the truth and the reality of their own losing finances only makes them surly and angry as it is "negative dream-stealing". Their upline will try to drive a wedge between the two of you as you are a threat to their cash cow.

      I truly hope you can reach her before she gets "plugged in" to the brainwashing system. Amway has destroyed far too many relationships as it is. Good luck to you.

      ~Dave

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    3. Dave - in a nutshell you have described becoming a member of the Amway cult.

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  8. Omg was invited to an amway conference by someone I trusted and am at a vulnerable point in my life where my relationship seems on the verge of collapse and I m broke jeez I had a weird feeling about all the super smiley people ..... I signed up to get the samples .... Snap well thanks for sharing ......

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  9. I recently become an IBO including my wife. After reading this I got stuck what to do. we shared all our personal info. Any evil thing can happen even if we want to leave this? please help.

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  10. I went to an Amway conference.I couldn't help but notice it was predominantly white people there. Realistically African Americans have to work harder than the next white person to get places in life. All in All I would never join this Bullshit corporation.

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    1. Sorry buddy. Your comment ended up in the spam filter. Just saw it now. Good on you for not joining the bullshit corporation!

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    2. I like the sound of that : Bullshit Corporation!

      ExAmbot

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  11. My wife and I(Indian Citizens) were at Cross Gates Mall ( Albany) few weeks back and were approached by this random guy who speaks the same language (Tamil) as we do. Excuse me, I have seen you somewhere .are you from Chennai – these were his first words. He tried to befriend us and didn’t mention a word about Amway for the first week or so. He was extremely friendly in the first week and came home with his wife and a kid ( again, nothing mentioned about amway yet). H e called me up the following week and here is how the call went

    Amway Guy: : There is an e commerce webinar which I am going to present tomorrow at ramada inn. I can’t promise you anything ( Oh really? ) but you and your wife can attend.

    We had a suspicion this guy could be from Amway but still we decided to go and attend it.

    Oh my God..what a horrible experience.

    Everyone dressed in suits and some random guy started talking about third grade countries and pretty much never got to the point. He just made the whole presentation look so bad and apparently he drives the luxury cars ( my reaction was So what??). He repeatedly kept bringing down India and other African Countries). My blood was literally boiling and couldn’t stand it hearing from someone who is also from India

    This Amway guy after the conference went like this :

    How do you feel? we will come tomorrow to show all the products, was extremely pushy and had no shame about lying ( e commerce seminar..Oh yea??). He has been repeatedly calling since then and I have been repeatedly ignoring his calls.

    What a Moron

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    1. Ajay - thank you for stopping by with your experiences! I could have been at that same meeting! That's exactly how it goes except the part about insulting people from other countries. Our upline kept the insults local! I remember reading an article written by an Indian woman a few years ago and she said much the same as you did. Approached by an Indian couple when they were out somewhere who complimented them on their beautiful child and it was all a ploy to get them to an Amway meeting and recruit them into the cult.

      Aw come on! They're worse than morons!

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  12. well i have been involved in the business for just over a year now and have managed to replace my whole income and be a full time mum on a full time wage.. you guys are over complicating this whole business.

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    1. Well if you have been involved in the business for over a year you wouldn't be doing a search on the Internet for "Amway cult".

      If you are earning a full time income with Amway then that puts you in the fraction of less than 1% of IBO's who are making money. After one year? And you need info on the Amway cult because you're not happy to be such a high Amway income earner?

      No way. You're just another lying Ambot.

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    2. Anna is right. The bullshit meter is going off the scale here. The only thing Anonymous left out is that she is doing it all from one of the beaches of the world.

      Even if Anonymous has managed to badger family and friends into buying the overpriced crap, that is usually a temporary situation done to initially get the Ambot of their backs, or out of pity or the desire not to hurt the Ambot's feelings. But eventually it gets tiring (and expensive) to keep on buying overpriced stuff when less expensive/better quality products are available at Costco or Sam's Club.

      Of course Anonymous doesn't go into details. Selling just the products? Going to meetings? Recruiting? If so, how big of a downline? Usually mathematically, they have to have a pretty large downline to get to any kind of break even level, let alone paying the bills. Also, any credit card debt? Garage filled with products collecting dust to make the meager bonuses? Anonymous left a lot out. As they ALL do, of course.

      ~Dave

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    3. Lies. You're probably one of the recruiters.

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  13. She probably responded but you probably blocked her comment. Therefore you are a loser, evil person. That's how you view everything bc youre a virtually tough person behind a keyboard without a j.o.b., or a significant other

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  14. Im 21 and own 2 restaurants and a photostudio here in L.A. and some AMWAY zealot came in talked to me blah blah i told him no im making alot of money and living it to the max. And the zealot had the nerve to tell me i wasnt happy and that AMWAY would make a better path for me and that i would make more money. -_- funny cuse every AMWAY zealot i know is broke and with AMWAY promos on their cars lol

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  15. Hi
    I was approaced a few weeks ago and exactly as you say they never mentioned amway until i went to the seminar
    Im really glad that i found this site as i was so keen on join up. im actually so supprised that they had me going as im very sceptical to these things. Every thing said here is so true.

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    1. Anonymous - they can be very convincing. You have to be a good liar and bullshitter and no conscience about scamming others if you want to be successful in Amway. They don't mention Amway until they hook you in and maybe you don't even know until after you've signed up. Amway has a bad reputation as a pyramid scheme or cult so they want to keep it secret as long as they can. Most cults are the same way. By the time you realize it it's too late you've been in awhile.

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  16. Amway is a warehouse. nothing else but a building. Amway is an AMAZING company (if you looked at the FACTS about amway on Better Business Bureau, or other credible websites instead of someones personal blog) you would see that amway is one of the best companies on the planet. That doesnt mean that there are not terrible people that try and build the business. But it has nothing to do with Amway, just the poeple. (There are sqeezy people in every industry by the way)
    Im sorry you had a bad experience with a PERSON, but amway did not do any wrong by anyone.

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    1. Anonymous - if you looked on the Internet you would see that Amway has broken the law in just about every company it operates in.

      You might want to check Amway's conduct policies which you can also find on the Internet. It's a violation of Amway's conduct to make any claims about any affiliation Amway might have with the better business bureau and you can be terminated by Amway for breaking their terms of conduct. But don't worry. I ain't the Amway police. I ain't reporting you. But it just goes to prove that you are one of those "sqeezy" Amway people!

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    2. hi Anna, my whole family is starting this except for some of us because we think is pathetic and manipulative. I'm trying to do a research about this and your blog helped a lot. Now since x-mas is coming i guess we all going to go different ways because of amway. Since I've done some research about it, do you think i should give them a presentation of my own or just leave them alone and find the hard way? i mean i do want the best for my family.

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    3. you don't have to publish it please, i just want your personal opinion. Like i want to make my own system, something to back me up when i talk to them about the truth. Thank so much

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    4. Hi Anonymous - sorry to hear about your family. I'm glad you're finding the blog helpful. Everyone has pretty mich the same horror story. The amount of devastation Amway causes is different for every person.

      In most cases you just have to let it run it's course. After a few months of losing money and figuring out the new Amway friends are really creep most people quit. Ask your family for a copy of the Amway business plan that they are supposed to show all prospects. Somewhere will be a bunch of numbers of possible compensation. Doesn't it look good on paper? Look for the small print. Amway says that some of that earnings is really money saved by purchasing their overpriced products for wholesale instead of retail. Also it shows the percentage of salespeople who earn that money. It'll be something like .00367%. You point out to yor relatives that only a fraction of 1% in Amway make money. That's over 99% failure rate. Right there in the small print on Amway literature. Ask the, if they can find a business opportunity with better odds than 99% failure rate and see how that goes. Good luck to you!

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  17. My 18yr old daughter was invited by a friend to attend a meeting. should I be concerned?

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    1. Anonymous - be very concerned and get ready for some tough love if your daughter signs up. She will turn into an unrecognizable person insulting you and your choices and calling you a loser because you don't have an Amway business. One mother left comments here that she had to kick her 20 year old son out because of how disrespectful he'd become since joining Amway. It's a cult. You'd do anything to keep your kid out of a cult wouldn't you. Help her find a better business opportunity if she wants to be self employed. Go to the library with her and check out books with legitimate business opportunities that have a better success rate than a fraction of 1%. Good luck to you!

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  18. Anonymous - I've taken care of it for you. Don't worry anyway. People in Amway and people who actually like Amway don't read blogs like this. Be strong. You know the devastation Amway can cause.
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  19. freak out much.. No, thanks hey! i did so appreciate having the opp to look through your stuff. Really helped allot. Cheers hey and have a good one.
    keep it up, joy to ya

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  20. I have been in the Amway business for 2 years now and guess what... My life has changed amazingly in everyway.. :)
    I have better Health, better relationships, better finances.. My family & I have moved to the beach & we enjoy an incredible lifestyle that we certainly wouldn't of had if we never met the people we had through this business..
    I know a lot of people have had bad experiences & that's unfortunate, however it is the person that represented the company that created that experience... Not the company directly..
    Yes, Amway has been involved in many law suits.. That's what happens when your business operates in 87 countries around the world with over 12 billion dollar turnover.... What about the 9.5million children Amway has helped????? What about the fact that Amway invented GREEN, what about the fact that all their products are 100% friendly...???
    Every seminar I have been too is so inspirational & it makes you feel great & it's motivating....
    How is this a bad thing????
    All the newspapers, radio & TV. Is that how you get motivated about life?? Is it? Is that where u get encouraged to chase your dreams??? Do u even know what a dream is??? If you know what they are do u even believe that they are possible???
    Do u know that there are 1000s n 1000s of companies just like AMWAY???
    But these guys are the BEST!!! The BIGGEST!!!
    U either won't publish this or you will reply some garbage... U know what.. Haha, tomorrow you will buy something that will make someone else WEALTHY & it will build their DREAMS...
    Tomorrow I will buy something, I will continue to build my DREAMS & I will get them... How about this for a dream!!! At the moment 2/3 of the world don't have clean drinking water!! My dream is 100% have clean drinking water... GO ON, tell me I can't do it!! Go on tell me I'm a loser!! Make yourself feel better & put someone down tell them they can't do it!!!!
    U went through a lot of time to post this on the net!!! Hey??? Obviously something bothers you, stirs you up about this business!!! U figure if u stop at least one other person from achieving great things with AMWAY you will feel better about yourself...
    U all write this garbage on here & you feel better about yourselves.. U are embarrassing!!!!
    9.5million Children helped. Your pathetic.
    For everyone else. Check this company out properly. It's AMAZING!!!
    Oh n PS: U want to put everything you say on here in writing & send it to AMWAY with your signature!!! They don't mind a law suit!!! They've put people like u in jail.. Your a disgrace to society.

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    1. the only disgrace to society is ambots...what a bunch of uneducated morons...dreamers...idiots...too lazy to get a real j.o.b.!! my poor daughter got mixed up with one and my goal in life is to break up their marriage!! amway cult should be illegal!

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    2. anti amway - just ignore that anonymous asshole. If someone was actually making money in Amway and living the good life they'd be using their real name as proof and showing us copies of their financial statements. Just another lying Amway asshole.

      As for your daughter, its the job of the assholes in the Amway upline to break up their marriage so I think they can do it without your help.

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    3. Umm asking to see someone's financial information is extremely inappropriate. And making it your lifes goal to destroy a marrage and endorsing that idea is just plain horrible. I mean Amway does play on emotions by getting people excited by having them see their dreams. But your way over exaggerating how bad they are and your more a radical conspirasist than Amway is a cult.

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    4. Tyler anyone selling someone a business opportunity absolutely has to open up their books as proof of the business income. Unless of course they're doing something illegal or lying about their income then I could see why they wouldn't want to do that.

      No its not my life's goal to destroy any marriages. Thats the job of the fucking Amway assholes!

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    5. seriously.... That Amway lover is way creepy. Did you see all that exessive punctuation? Well this definatly sounds like a cult and that person sounded extremly pushy, i didn't like that and felt very uncomfortable reading that.

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  21. Thank you for writing this. I've been researching Amway for about a month because I'm newly dating someone I care about a lot who is into this stuff. Before I even knew he was with Amway, I thought that the stuff he said about 'his business' was really weird and it didn't really sound like a business. Now I know him better and I see how he thinks being sleep deprived will gain him success, how he thinks the reason he hasn't been profitable in 6 years with Nutrilite is all his fault, how he's isolated from his friends and family except his 'friends' and 'family' in his 'business'.
    I'm going to my first Amway meeting with him tomorrow and I'm trying to get prepared for what I'm going to hear (how I found this). I want to be careful not to be too critical of it so that I don't get his defenses up as a reaction and then lose him. I hope to gain understanding and point out how he'd be so much better off without it.
    Honestly if he wants to stay with Amway I will break up with him, but I really hope I can help him leave because it seems no one can leave without support.
    Do you have any advice for how to approach this first meeting?
    -C

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    1. Hi Anonymous - I hope you come back to read this.

      First off I'm sorry to hear about your boyfriend. The good thing is you don't have too much invested in this relationship yet so it makes it easier for you to get out if you can't convince him that Amway is a poor business opportunity with a 99% failure rate. That's Amway's figures. Look at their literature. It shows only a fraction of 1% of IBOs who make money.

      Being in Amway is a very secretive cult. That's why it all sounds weird to you. They are pretend business owners. They don't take the normal steps real people take who start up legitimate businesses. They also don't tell prospects they're in Amway because it'll scare them away before they can get them in front of the closer who is probably a creepy character referred to as the Platinum.

      When you meet his group you will likely be love bombed a common cult tactic. They will be overly nice in a sickening way and probably try to hug you. Think of it this way. How many business meetings or job interviews do you go to where the coworkers want to hug you? If you're lucky you'll get out of there by 11pm.

      The questions you want to ask is financial statements, profit and loss statements, whatever proof these bastards have they're making money at this scam. You won't get any. That's because they're all losing money and don't want anyone to know.

      The problem going on right now with your boyfriend is he is all gung ho about a tool scam function coming up called Spring Leadership. He'll be on a high for a few weeks after and then it'll wear off when he doesn't make any sales or get customers. If he doesn't quit by the summer he's probably in for the long haul and you don't want to hitch your star to someone in a cult, who puts a box of soap as more important than you, and never has any money and is probably going into debt to support his Amway habit. Good luck to you!

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    2. Hey thank for your reply.
      The meeting is a bit later tonight and I've pretty much given up hope already of 'showing him the light'. We spoke last night about Amway and I asked him some questions and he got pretty defensive, though I can see why. His parents have been trying for years to get him out of it and it's strained his relationship with them a lot. Also, his exwife left him over it. He'd told me before she'd left for another reason but I learned last night that the reason she specifically gave him was Amway. Also I'm the only woman outside of Amway that he's dated since her. I was totally floored. I wish this was some weird hobby like LARPing but it's his whole life, his social circle, his religion, his dream. He admits that he really wants a partner who will do Amway with him and now I see why that's so necessary. "Outsiders" just don't get it. Now it's a question of when this thing will end. It's so sad, he has so much potential. Thanks for your blog, it's really helpful.

      -C

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    3. Oops I misread your first comment. You said 6 years and for some reason I thought you said months. Yeah he's a committed Ambot all right. They all get defensive when challenged and when they face the truth and the facts. Amway or not it's always a good idea to find out from the ex why they broke up. And you have your answer. And you're right. It's sad. At least you know now than putting more time in. Just tell him you feel really uncomfortable dating someone in Amway and move on. If he wasn't planning to be a lifer in this cult he'd have saved his marriage and got out years ago. Amway is all about destroying relationships. It's how the upline controls the ambots.

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  22. Check the fruit on the tree. In 1979 the Federal Trade Commission has proven it to be a legal business. It is accredited by the BBB and is sponsored by Citifield in NY. It has been around for 54 years and counting. 11.1 billion in sales for 2012.

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    1. Check the rotten fruit on the ground.

      Did you actually read the 1979 report on Amways settlement or are you just parroting some bullshit you heard from an asshole in your Amway upline?

      There is no proof that Scamway is accredited with the BBB. If you read Scamways terms and conducts for IBO's they specifically say they aren't and that it's a violation of IBO conduct if you make any false statements about Amway and so called BBB rating and is grounds for dismissal as an IBO. The BBB rating mostly has to do with the company responding to a complaint within the time limit and has nothing to do with whether or not the issue was resolved to the complainers satisfaction. If some asshole in your upline bullshitted you about Amway and the BBB do the right thing and report that bastard to head office.

      Amazon opened in 1994 and last year had 61 billion in sales. That means they sell better products than Amway at better prices. So what? Either way it's good new for the owners of these companies and doesn't mean fuck all to people who don't get those proceeds.

      I mean what really fucking dumb things those were for you to say here. I'm going to write a post about this so everyone knows how fucking stupid comments I got stuck with from some dumb shit Amway Ambot.

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  23. Wow thank you so much for your blog. My bf and I were like a lot of other people told about the “business plan” by my bfs friend. We caught up with him to hear him out. His up line was also there. You’re so right they don’t mention Amway and they spend the whole meeting asking what our dreams are. To be 100% honest with you yes I was very interested I mean it’s all very appealing. Anyway we went to one of the meetings where some guy (an up line) went on to tell us that basically if we don’t do Amway we will end up broke and living on the streets by retirement age but if we do we will accomplish all our dreams, although he didn’t tell us exactly what to do just told us about how rich he is and how close-minded the people who don’t do it are stupid and doomed to fail in life. How very few people out of Amway have money to retire with. He also told us that his wife and himself go on holidays and send postcards to those who said it wouldn’t work. True it does work IF YOUR AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID!!! Oh so sorry it’s not a pyramid scheme is it nooo its network marketing completely different (yes sarcasm was used). I’m so glad that I’m a curious person and googled Amway I’m also glad I didn’t actually sign up. My boyfriend did so I was helping him out by texting people to see if they wanted to join (before I googled Amway) and drum roll please NO ONE wanted to join me. I do know why though it’s because I’m honest and actually mentioned Amway in my txt (face palm) that’s right I’m meant to be deceitful. F THAT I don’t know about them but my mum taught me to be honest. Just saying.

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    1. Hi Anonymous. Thanks for stopping by with your story. I could have been right there in the room with you. The Ambot sales pitch never changes over the years. You're right it does sound appealing and it looks good on paper but finding even one person to sign up is very hard as you already found out by asking people you know. Let alone finding 100 people to sign up and stay in Amway so you can start making money is impossible for honest people and not much easier for people who are good liars.

      I'm going to copy your comments into an upcoming post seeing as how this is an older post a lot of my readers will miss this.

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    2. i have convinced my bf to quit to thanks to your blog. one of the creepy things i found is that i live in australia and the way they get you involved and try to keep you involved was exactly the same as you and other people had written some times even down to the wording used.

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    3. Hi Anonymous - Glad to hear it all worked out for you. I'm going to use your comments on an upcoming post about how nothing ever changes in Amway on the lines they use to prospect new recruits - and you're the proof that it doesn't change in other countries either. Hope the two of you have a nice Amwayless life together!

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  24. just wondering if amway is SOOOO GOOOD then why arnt people aloud to mention the name amway?. why does it have so many people who where apart of it hating it? a truly good business dosnt have lots of ex employees hating it. i mean imagen if mac donalds acted the same way and didnt tell people thay would be working for maccas untill they where flipping burgers.

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    1. Its all part of the deceit. Getting people all excited about this "business opportunity" then signing them up and getting them to pay and then telling them it's Amway. I mean how many people trick you into going to McDonald's and then giving you a Whopper instead of a Big Mac.

      People in Amway will give you a whopper all right once it's too late. Ha! This will make a good upcoming post too!

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  25. U know u deleted something I posted a few months back. Seems like u have something to hide from. The only reason you posted the person up there from Amway is cause they challenged you and you guys have to much pride to get over yourselves. I mean if you spent the same amount of energy doing something productive as you spend on this blog I would have no doubt you would be a successful person. But instead of working you're all too afraid of the idea of failure so instead you bash successful people so you feel better about your insecurities and failure to try. Now I know you won't publish this but I pray at least one person has made it to this word so I can tell you this. Life is not meant to be easy. It's all about proving your worth as a person and you're competing against the other 7 billion people wanting the same thing you do. So Amway may not be your run of the mill company and they may have a bad reputation, but you know what? The driven people succeed in Amway just like they do everywhere else in any company. It's the motivated who win and the complainers who grovel in poverty. It's a shame I wasted my time on the pitiful because either this post will not see the light of day or it will reach the ears of the self righteous deaf. Have a good day to whoever this reaches.

    "The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will."
    Vince Lombardi

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    1. Tyler - I have a person who moderates the comments on the blog for me and publishes almost all of them. If your post didn't get published perhaps there was something creepy about it or the post served no purpose than to be a troublemaker. Other reasons a comment doesn't get published is it went off into cyber hell somewhere like what happens to at least one of my comments every week. Sometimes they end up in the spam filter. Sometimes they get accidentally deleted. Figure out your own scenario. The only comment that I personally deleted a few months ago accidentally got past my moderator. Some dude maybe you left a comment about a Diamond who is having an affair and named names. People in Amway are nosy bastards and love this stuff and love to gossip, spread rumors and tell lies. I'm not all about that so if that was your comment I deleted it. This is no place to reveal people's personal lives so take it somewhere else. That doesn't mean I "have something to hide" just that I chose to respect the Diamond and his girlfriends privacy. find somewhere else to post that shit if it's so important to you to get it out there.

      This blog is all about sharing my experiences of the abuse I took from the assholes in our Amway upline and being bullied into buying overpriced shitty products. The people reading it are in similar situations or used to be in this hell hole. People who love Amway are not reading this blog unless they are thinking of quitting so if that's your plan good luck to you getting your life back together. I mean you don't see me going around to blogs of people who love the great Amway God and leaving comments. Reading that stuff holds no interest to me.

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    2. Well it was more or less what I said there. I've never been about gossip and never will, it's disrespectful an serves no good to anyone. That and I don't give a flying f**ck about what people do on there own time unless it directly affects me. I'm sorry you got screwed over (or feel that way). Every company has it's assholes and with Amway being all about competition it probably has a higher then normal number of them. It's the trade you deal with when being around driven people. Now I'm a IBO or whatever they call it and I get by fine being a decent person and not shelling out money. I take the logical approach. When a friend is interested I tell them if they want to make some money, are driven enough (and are able) to use their personal time for sales, and are okay with talking to people about selling products this could be a good fit. I don't glorify anything, I just give them the need to know info. Now I'll give it to you, they are slightly crazy. I went to a conference and personally felt it was a waste of money because all I got was a bunch of self pandering diamonds (or whatever they call themselves) and a super Christian Sunday. If a friend wanted to go I'd tell them what to expect (good and bad) and let them decide. I just wanted to get a word in on here that to be in Amway you don't have to be a evil baby killing crazy self glorifying lunatic. You just have to have your wits about you to see through the bull and find the essence of what they are doing. Marketing. They are just like Walmart or Dunder Miflan paper company, they only have a different approach on how they distribute product. So evil no, misguided and misunderstood on some level yes, but they aren't the devil worshipping soul suckers you (appear) to make them out to be. They are driven people in a supply/demand economy looking to encourage people as to why their products are superior in some form than others. Sounds like any other distribution business to me. You just had a shitty boss or didn't have the ability to make it.

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    3. Slightly crazy? Frenzied rabid lunatic ambots is more like it!

      Tyler - you obviously figured out enough to stay away from ambots and their outlandish meetings. It sounds like what you're doing is going it solo and selling a few products and maybe signing up other salepeople and there are others like you and yes they probably have the best chance of making a little money in Amway because they are not spending money on tools and functions. You still have to operate under a line of sponsorship and these are the people who will abuse you if they can't make money off you. If you have figured this out you probably have what it takes to be successful in a better business opportunity that isn't surrounded by a dark cloud. Go check out some books at the library and see if you can't find something better that is more profitable.

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    4. Albeit there are other ways to make money I see a clear and defined path to opportunity in Amway while I see undetermined marketability in other like minded companies. I appreciate what you're doing but Amway is somewhere that I can see success down the road, it isn't all the money hungry machine people make it out to be. You can make money, you just need to keep your head about you to do it (by you I don't mean YOU but the figurative way of talking about a person in the 3rd person format).

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  26. Wow this has been very entertaining but I'd rather be making lasting friendships, relationship building, working on my weaknesses and making extra cash. Anna you definitely found the wrong upline. I just hope that you are as passionate about your job as you are in bashing hard working people.

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    1. Anonymous - glad you're enjoying the entertainment. My upline is everyone's upline. Too many people have the same horror stories of the assholes in their Amway upline. We all heard and saw the exact same things. It's my guess you haven't been in too long and your upline are still love bombing you. Wait until you don't sign up any downline or get customers and then the abuse will begin. Those lasting friendships will be over as soon as you quit Amway. And yes you will quit. 95% of IBOs quit within 2 years when they get tired of losing money in a business that has over 99% failure rate. Surely you can go to the library and check out some books on legitimate businesses to get ideas of running your own business. Your own ideas, your own products or services instead of being a commissioned salesperson for someone else and living by their rules. If you want extra cash if you work 4 hours a week at McDonalds you'll be making way more money than people in Amway, wasting less time and not losing any money. And no I don't go around bashing hard working people. I go around bashing fucking assholes in Amway because they lie and abuse people and destroy relationships sick sorry bastards that they are and you want to associate with these fuckers?

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  27. Hi Anna, you can call me D.IVAN ;) I just found out my cousin has joined AMWAY.....after reading your blog i'm extremly concerned. Due to the fact that she has cut all ties with us and even abandoned her baby girl of 1 year.... i don't know what to do.

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      Your comment got stuck in the spam filter. I've set it free & will message Anna to take a look.

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    2. Hi D.Ivan. Sorry to hear about your cousin. I'm not sure if you've seen some recent posts about children of ambots. If you believe the child is being neglected due to the mothers involvement in the Amway cult, you need to report to child protective services. No child needs to go through the hell of knowing their parent loves a box of soap more than them. Most of the time you just have to let it run it's course and let the Ambot figure it out theyre not making money and are losing money. Once the savings has been drained and the credit cards maxed they are pretty much forced to quit. Most quit within months. 95% of IBOs quit inside 2 years.

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  28. There's definitely some unfortunate bad press behind some of the things that some Amway IBO's do to build their businesses. It's usually the people that prospects unfortunately fall under that are the problem, rather than the Amway Corporation itself. Some people lose track of what the company represents in their drive to get rich. I fell into a bad upline situation the first time I gave it a try, the problem that time was that I was in a Quickstar program and I never saw any of the checks that were supposed to come down from my upline. I gave up on Quickstar and kept working in construction. I got back into Amway after doing a roadshow in Maui for all of the Diamonds. That was the proof that I needed that Amway can be a huge success, if you stick with it. I joined on my own, after doing the roadshow and looking at their new website. While surfing on their site I was reminded of why I became interested in Amway in the first place, I'm an environmentalist, and Amway has a lot of environmentally friendly products available. In fact, the corporation itself has always been about environmentalism and human health. They signed me up under a couple from Oahu who were making their business a success mostly through the Artistry and Nutrilite brands. They weren't pushy at all, and I'm trying to carry on with that style. I maintain my IBO agreement mostly because I get a discount for doing so. I look at the IBO portion more like a club card. I hope to get people to join in my downline and buy products regularly, but if they don't that's OK, because I like the organic and sustainable products that they have to offer, and I can get them cheaper as an IBO. If you would like to support sustainability and environmentalism by joining my non-pushy non-cult downline, then please visit the following link. http://www.pathofsolution.com/page20.html

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    1. Anonymous - spoken like a good brainwashed Ambot!

      Sure Amway ambots and their outrageous claims and lies are part of Amway's poor reputation. What action does Amway take on their employees who are going around being the biggest assholes around? Nothing! They did fire our sack of shit Platinum last year so maybe they are getting rid of some of the assholes in their employ.

      I wrote a post about Amway's claims about being in the top. 2 environmental companies in the world. Just another lie spread by Amway assholes. Here's a big clue. Just about every company out there is doing their part not to leave a big impact on the environment. Other companies selling similar products to Amway are doing a better job at protecting the environment and sell better quality products at a better price than Amway.

      Look where you are on an island. Don't you think Maui has already been over saturated by ambots who spread their lies long before you came along? There's only a limited amount of people who can be prospected before over saturation hits. What are you gonna do? Sit outside the old Lahaina luau and snipe tourists?

      Maintain your IBO agreement just so you can buy products at a discount? Brainwashed! Go to Costco and buy a membership for around $50. Your $300 will go a lot further and you'll buy fresh products, real groceries. Spend a little more on your Costco membership and you'll get a check back based on a percentage of what you spend. Costco is a better deal than Scamway.

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  29. after reading all of what everyone have to say i no doubt believe that AMWAY is a cult. because i am working on my 150pv right now and i have been in this business for almost one month and i can tell you that everything i think about is AMWAY and MEETINGS. and i see where this is causing problems in my relationship and i am not up for this any more. as far as i can see people that don't start there life as yet this is a perfect business for them. and they tell you, COME TO MEETING EVERY SINGLE TIME BECAUSE ONE MEETING CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOU BUSINESS. BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! all they are doing is brainwashing you more and more. right now am to go to a meeting and after reading this blog i have decided not to go, rather i am going to the office tomorrow to have a one on one with one of my growing up-line. THANKS A LOT!!!!!!!

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    1. Hi Anonymous. Thanks for stopping by. Yes most people figure it out eventually that Amway is a cult and they're losing money. Lucky for you you figured it out fast before they could do much damage to you financially and emotionally. The Amway meetings are to keep you busy so you don't realize how much money you're losing, to keep you separated from your friends and family, and to brainwash you. Don't bother meeting with your upline. He will say to you, you can't quit now not when success is right around the corner. You're about to go real big real soon. Your business is about to take off I can feel it. Then the insults will start. You're a loser. You're a quitter. You're going to be broke or dead by the time you're 65. I've heard it all a million times from the assholes in my Amway upline and from the ambots who stop by here and are outraged the truth about their scam is getting out there. Good for you and I hope you have a happy, Amwayless life!

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  30. I was involved in Amway from May 2012 to March 2013. A friend invited me along to a monthly seminar and while I was overwhelmed with the terrible pop music, in-time clapping, positivity overload and promises of achieving my “dreams” and “goals”. Naively, I assumed my friend invited me for my benefit so I signed up that night. I played ball for a few months (because I still had a shred of optimism), attended most of the functions (including three weekend conventions), bought stuff from the website, listened to the CDs and even hosted a house/launch party. I got put into a good team of normal people who all seemed supportive. While some of friends knew it was a scam, I ignored them. Heading towards Christmas, reality finally hit. I lost my job momentarily in November and was limping by on my now meagre savings (thanks to all the money I’d spent on Amway). I was forced to look at the most important things to survive - pay rent and buy food – rather than wasting my time with Amway. Because of this reality cheque, I started to see through the feelgood bullshit of Amway. While they sell you on reaching your “dreams” and “goals”, the harsh reality is most of the money goes to the big guns: the Diamonds, the Oblongs, the Rectangles etc. Most of those who make it already have oodles of money and saving and don’t need Amway, they’re just being greedy. Those who are students, low-income earners or who don’t have a secure income, Amway can be potentially damaging, spending money you don’t have on something you don’t need. In my time in Amway, I estimated I spent over $2,000 on various stuff and made less than $100. While I found the online shopping part convenient, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper to go down to your local supermarket and buy what you need. While I got my job back in late November, I immediately lost interest after the October conference (as I had to rebuild financially), I took until March to fully quit, mainly because my friend – who was now my “upline” – was away overseas and if I was going to quit, I wanted to do it face-to-face. In the ensuing months, I completely stopped activity: no more CDs, no more shopping, no more functions (I was always able to find a convenient excuse). When the March convention came around, I was upfront with my friend and he was fine with it. I left the convention on the Saturday afternoon and didn’t look back. It was a relief.
    Looking back, Amway has had a negative effect on me emotionally. All the feelgood crap, false hope and focus on materialism made me cynical and bitter. Anytime people mention their “dreams” and “goals”, I roll my eyes dramatically. I’m nowhere near as optimistic about life as I was before I joined Amway. The worst part was, had I not been involved with Amway, my brief time out of work would have been more comfortable financially. Like most ‘get rich quick’ schemes, it relies on trickery and lots of materialistic, shallow rubbish. It’s basically saying “money is the only thing that matters.” I call shenanigans. Yes, money is great for peace of mind, but it doesn’t make you happy. If you want financial security, work hard, invest wisely and spend sensibly.

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    1. Hi Anonymous. Thanks for stopping by with your story. I'm probably going to copy this into an upcoming post because this is old and a lot of readers will miss it.

      Glad to hear you got out of Amway before too much damage was done. If you only lost $2000 in about a year consider yourself lucky. So many people lose much more than that and take a long time if ever to recover from this scam. Amway sets people back financially instead of giving them the life of retirement and promised riches rolling in every month. Everything you said is very true.

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  31. My father got into the Amway thing when I was growing up. Funny how a lad of ten could see right through the whole scam, while my father was gobbling up all their crap as fast as they could serve it. The company used to have a globe-like trademark. I would say their real motto was , "The world: to AMWAY!"

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    1. I've had a lot of Ambot kids show up here to say at their young age they saw right through the Amway scam and how horrified they were their parents were in the cult and a lot of neglect.

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  32. Whoa, this is pretty harsh. I can't say I experienced everything you did with my uplines as some of them were well-meaning and encouraging, but there is definitely some truth to what you are saying. I still buy and use products from Amway occasionally (love XS), but once I realized how cult-like it is, I just couldn't stay. I just had an uncomfortable feeling around some of those people.

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  33. I am sorry you had such a bad experience. But here where we live, in the Philippines, not one thing on your list is true! My wife is at the silver level. She made 85,000 pesos last month, about $1,900 U.S. dollars. In 4 months will be at the Platinum level. Her up-line are great people, none of what you said is true about any of them!

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    1. Anonymous from the Philippines - You're trying to convince us in a country full of poverty and devastation that the only important thing is worshipping your Amway cult leaders? Typical of an ambots greedy pursuit of money. So are you going to the areas hardest hit by the typhoon and scamming destuitute people telling them they can make $2000/month in Amway and surely they can take 10 to 15 hours a week away from sifting through debris and burying bodies to work their Amway business and they'll be millionaires in 2 years. If your wife and her upline are such wonderful people you would have mentioned in your little tirade how much they're giving back to their fellow countrymen who've suffered this recent natural disaster instead of bragging about their riches.

      And then you have the gall to tell me that my real life experiences is not true? Typical Amway asshole arrogance.

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  34. The biggest deception that top diamonds portray is that people become rich from Amway which is a complete lie. The top guys are earning their income from Britt WorldWide BWW which is cds, books, meetings, seminar (bbs), major functions and bww website subscription (webspace, bmp and bww tv). Amway products are way overpriced compared to market competitors.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic829-wCn9M

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  35. Merchants of Deception

    Dateline - Scam=Quixtar=Amway=Alticor-(Part1) -
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xu6bIFSeE

    Dateline - Scam=Quixtar=Amyay=Alticor-(Part2) -
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc4-34V75SQ

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  36. Amway’s new hierarchy of evilness:

    Diamond IBOs and above = Draculas
    Emerald IBOs = Vampires
    Sapphire, ruby and platinum = Witches
    Rest of the useless IBOs = Zombies

    “Live the cult dream”

    Draculas
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    Vampires
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    Witches
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    Zombies

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  37. Great videos about Britt World Wide (BWW) scam:

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz5OjKsJ5AM&list=PLFEFA387E6BE8681E&index=1

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNwETpvX5oY&list=PLFEFA387E6BE8681E

    Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7nEum1Fpco&list=PLFEFA387E6BE8681E

    Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6tGOz1HdM&list=PLFEFA387E6BE8681E

    Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrdk-i3seb0&list=PLFEFA387E6BE8681E

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    1. Thanks for stopping by with those links!

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  38. Let me cut it short. My friend joined Amway few moths ago. As per him it has changed his LIFE. Here are some of the changes: no time to hang out with friends. We are seen as low lifers with a dead end job who will die poor. No buying the house anymore since he needs the money to buy the "product". No driving a decent car since he needs the money for buying "material". And whole bunch of other non sense. Oh did I mention he is buying a luxury cottage on the lake while I grind it out in a tiny cookie cutter house? Bunch of lies. Steer clear of Amway. I can go on and on but it just makes me sick to even think about it. Great blog btw. Keep exposing!!!

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  39. I'm in college and i went out with a girl for a while, then she dropped the Ambomb. so i went to a few meetings to see what's up. its just like a cult! it exploits fear and emotion of the members to get them to buy the products and to teach them how to sell them. her life is all about amway, our relationship took a backseat. i felt no need to stick around in a relationship where she is obsessed with reading or listening to whatever they tell her to because it will help her be successful. they called me selfish for saying no. "dont you want to retire your mom in 5 years?" and they have them all sold that they will be millionaires by the time they're 25

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    1. Anonymous - everything you said is part of the Amway cult teachings. The only unusul thing is the woman who's been brainwashed. Amway is primarily a boy's club where they'll teach you to be a male chauvinist pig if you're not already one. The few woman ambots are basically taight to prostitute themselves to sign up prospects and make sales. Pretty sickening the way woman are treated in most cults. Glad you got out in time!

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  40. In the early ninety's I was introduced to the scamster company by my boss. He kept spraying the Glister spray in his mouth in front of all the employees. Sooner or later someone asks "hey, what you got there?" He tells us "I bought it from my own company." Little did we know that was the first lie we got hit with. Here he comes again with "hey, if you want to be financially free, I'm having a meeting over at my place." Second lie. We were told to not call the company amway, but rather "the umbrella corporation" and if asked to say that we do sell some amway products. Third lie. Went to a few meetings, a seminar to meet the Diamonds and a few other money wasting events. Heck, I even went "dream building" where your upline takes you around to look at rich houses and fancy cars. Two things that broke me from the hypnotic spell of amway. 1. The seminar/conventions speakers. They sit up there and brag about all the stuff they bought, where they went hunting, all kinds of useless information. At the end of praising himself he threw up a few circles, wrote Amway in big letters, and he was done talking. I was pissed. 2. I couldn't afford their products anymore. Back then they highly suggest you spend $150 per month on amway products. The problem was....$150 didn't get you much stuff, so we had to go to Wal Mart to get the rest of the household items we needed. We eventually stopped buying the amway products completely and started paying off all the debt we created with amway. Concentrated or not concentrated, their products are just way too overpriced.

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    1. Hi there john. Yeah what’s up with all those Amway assholes using Glister spray all the time? Are they trying to cover up that they’ve been drinking? What else would they need it for? Thanks for sharing your story which is an all too familiar one. We all have the same stories told slightly differently. The circles, the overpriced Amway products, the meetings where the assholes in the upline brag about how rich they are. I’m going to bring your coments up on a future post because this one is old and my readers are going to miss what you have to say.

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    2. Hi Anna,
      I think whether they use the glister spray, or hit themselves on the head with an amway shoe, they are trying to attract attention to what they're doing. They want people to ask them questions such as "my, what a good looking shoe you keep pounding against your head...where did you get it?" If its not one tactic its another....

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    3. Yeah you're right they want to show off to everyone about this prestige product they're using so people will ask about it. A recent commenter said a coworker was labelling cans of XS in the employee fridge so no one will take them. Like people are lining up to steal something that tastes like a mix between cat piss and nasty cough medicine!

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    4. too funny. Their "dont squeeze the charman" felt like sandpaper, their toothpaste made you foam up like a mad dog, and the mouthwash tasted like arm pit sweat. just nasty stuff.

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  41. There's signing up into Amway, but getting out of Amway proved to be a bad experience. My immediate upline, lets just call him "Douche", wasn't making any money. All he had was me signed up, and I was 3,000 dollars in debt with amway. I met someone who was in a different MLM company was was making 10,000 a month. I went cold turkey with amway and starting working this other company. Douche found out about it and brought his immediate upline to my house. I wasnt home but they both ripped into my girlfriend. She told me later they made her cry her eyes out with all the yelling and shouting about leaving amway. I was tempted to visit them at their homes and throw a box of amway soap through their windows, but I just let it go. If I ever run into those two morons again they will be visiting the end of my fist. Losers!

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    1. Too bad your girlfriend didn't call me and I would have let those Amway bastards know what I think of them. Bullying and terrorizing are part of how Amway operates. Our upline did it to my husband but not to me. Amway assholes have no control over people who don't like them. I'm guessing your girlfriend probably got along with these bastards up until that incident so they tried to use control over her to get to you. I never liked the assholes in our upline so their terrorist techniques wouldn't have worked on me. I'd have just told them to fuck off but I wouldn't say it quite that nicely!

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  42. The list above simply describes a..... Psychopath.

    The clinical definition of one, not the hollywood definition. A garden-variety psychopath. They make up around 6% of the global population - around 1 in 25 people. Sure sounds like Amway would be a magnet for such predators.

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  43. Has anyone seen how much a case of amway water goes for? These are the same 16.9 fl oz bottles, 24 per case that you buy in grocery stores. They sell them online for almost $50 a case! ($49.20). http://www.amway.com/Shop/Product/Product.aspx/Perfect-Empowered-Drinking-Water-bottles?itemno=744352
    Get this. They are backordered till May 5 2014. Can you imagine the amount of brain washing it takes to get people to pay that kinda money for drinking water? Personally I buy around 10 cases a month and pay $30 for them all. Amway wants how much? Almost $500? That's just insane.

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Comments are moderated but we publish just about everything. Even brainwashed ambots who show up here to accuse us of not trying hard enough and that we are lazy, quitters, negative, unchristian dreamstealers. Like we haven’t heard that Amspeak abuse from the assholes in our upline!

If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:
1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.
2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.
3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.
4. Gossip that serves no purpose. There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why they’re getting divorced. If you absolutely must share that here – don’t name names. I get too many nosy ambots searching for this. Lets not help them find this shit.
5. Posting something creepy anonymously and we can’t track your location because you’re on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. I attracted an obsessed fan and one of my blog administrators attracted a cyberstalker. Lets keep it safe for everyone. Anonymous is OK. Creepy anonymous and hiding – go fuck yourselves!
6. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.
7. Posting bullshit Amway propaganda. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. Otherwise take your agenda somewhere else. Not interested.
8. We suspect you're a troublemaking Amway asshole.
9. Your comment got caught in the spam filter. Only gets checked when one of us thinks of looking. We’ll get to you eventually and approve it as long as it really isn’t spam.