If you do a Google search for Amway Family Reunion 2011 four of my posts are in the top 5. What’s the number one hit? A paid Amway ad. Well if they can’t beat me in the ranks they’ll damn well pay Google for the top spot! If you do a search for WWDB Family Reunion 2011 again four of my posts are in the top 5. The 5th post belongs to Amquix so let’s give them a little boost on my blog. Its a former WWDB Direct talking about the function costs. Some of the prices have gone up but really things haven’t changed too much. http://www.amquix.info/amway_wwdb_direct.html
You’d think those bastards at the World Wide Group would change their password but they don’t. Log in name is guest. Password is dream.
The purpose of this post is that I want to put in this year’s speakers in case someone is specifically doing a search for one of them at Amway Family Reunion 2011. You’ll find them here and they’re really hard to find anywhere else. Amway cult secrets. Keep it quiet. Hush hush.
So here are the Diamond speakers at the Puryear Family Reunion 2011 as listed on the WWDB web page who will be fighting over the admission proceeds the IBO’s coughed up to get in to the event. Those bastards really need to change their password! Ha ha!
Ron and Georgia Lee Puryear
Glen and Joya Baker
Dave and Jan Severn
Mike and Michi Woods
Greg and Laurie Duncan
Jim and Judy Head
Matt and Sandee Tsuruda
Dan and Sandy Yuen
Joe and Norma Foglio
And just because it’ll be fun to screw up a few more IBO’s searching for information on WWDB Amway Puryear Family Reunion lets toss in a few more names that are missing from the list. Notably absent:
Dean Kosage
Brad Wolgamott
Brad Duncan
What is there to do at Boise Idaho lol? Would be better if family reunion was held at disney world or las vegas. Atleast it gives people something to do.
ReplyDeleteColin - nothing like wrecking your Disneyland vacation by attending an Amway function!
ReplyDeleteThe same dam cult leaders you've listed they had 20 years ago...minus a few(they probably went to another mlm or went back to work)
ReplyDeleteI don't recognize most of the names from 10 years ago or today. Only Puryear and Duncan. I don't know any of the others. Doesn't mean I never heard them speak. Just don't remember their names. Probably too busy reading my book or leaving the building to scout out food to remember if they were speaking!
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly who was speaking in 1996 and they are still the ones speaking today. These guys are getting old, old, old.
ReplyDeleteWow. No new diamond speakiers? How do they justify that? Don't the young people demand to see people their own age speaking? Won't they begin to question.
Joe Foglio has a shocking story about the time he spent in a Mexican jail and how they water boarded him (with soda, I think.) A real horror story.
CT
Glen Baker used to tell the story (over and over again) about how when his wife was excersing, he would go out to the meter and see how much power was being used.
ReplyDeleteThey are/were both considerable overweight. I used to wonder why they didn't just use the Trim Advantage if it was so great.
CT
Dave Severn used to say, "Sponsor 50, and you're done."
ReplyDeleteUh, no you're not. Been there, done that. No cigar. Barely pulling 4000 pv.
He used to yell at the women that they had better develop a love affair with their frying pan and get a decent meal on the table. Yeah, that went over well. He went on and on about how at 5 pm at your job, you had better start getting a tingle up your spine and a shake in you leg at the excitement of showing the plan.
Mike Woods would go on about how he about vomited at the first function they attended (in their beach clothes, no less) when he heard the speaker referring to his wife as a little flower. He also went on and on about home schooling.
Jim Head is a drummer. I believe he and his dad? owned or ran a manufactured home business (or something along those lines). He would take the U.S. flag and run back and forth across the stage begging people to buy only amway products.
Just a few thoughts.
CT
CT - we're all getting older! Ha ha! The difference is some of us are able to retire and live off our savings and investments.
ReplyDeleteThere are no new young Diamond speakers because the bubble is bursting on the pyramid scheme. Its getting harder and harder to recruit new IBO's. Huge drop out rate when people realize they were lied to and they aren't earning the promised income.
They don't use Trim because it has the same success rate as just about all other similar diet plans - 5%. People you don't need to take diet pills and diet food sold like that. Go to the produce stand and buy the makings for a salad and keep fruit in the house. Eat healthier, eat less calories, up the exercise. That's how weight comes off.
Sponsor 50 and spend the rest of your life begging them not to quit and to buy, buy, buy.
Using that frying pan contributes to being overweight. Stir fry your food or bake or grill it. Frying fat = calories. I prepare decent meals without the use of a frying pan or deep fryer. Hardly the Amway way!
I'm reminded of Don Wilson telling stories of "Dave", his old boss at this school he taught at. Everyone would clamor to hear stories about Dave. I'll bet Dave is just laughing his head off now!
ReplyDeleteDoesn't WWDB have anything better to do than recycle Diamonds that qualified in the last century, hasn't anyone qualified diamond in WWDB since 1994? To top it off you'll get to hear Greg and Laurie Duncan speak, maybe they'll talk about how they managed to lose their house and other properties to the Bank; and they used to brag about paying cash for everything.
ReplyDeleteHere's the list of PAID speakers with the year of their Diamond Qualification further proof that WWDB and Amway in General are just trying to milk as much $$$ out of IBOs using recycled success.
Ron and Georgia Lee Puryear - qualified Diamond in 1976
Glen and Joya Baker - qualified Diamond in 1993
Dave and Jan Severn - qualified Diamond in 1981
Mike and Michi Woods - They qualified Diamond in 1994
Greg and Laurie Duncan - They qualified Diamond in 1985
Jim and Judy Head - They qualified Diamond in 1984
Matt and Sandee Tsuruda - They qualified Diamond in 1994
Dan and Sandy Yuen - qualified Diamond in 1992
Joe and Norma Foglio - They qualified Diamond in 1989
***Former WWDB Lemming***
Lemming - We'll probably never know if those Diamonds have been in and out of qualification over the years either. The younger crowd has got to wonder why there are no new Diamonds under age 50. There is no room on the pyramid for new Diamonds.
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly it, there IS no room at the top because more Diamonds would mean less of a share of the Tool Income which is why so many can see the mirage in the distance but never reach it and never qualify Diamond. To top it all off, even if they do qualify they often fall out of qualification or worse quit when they aren't happy with their share of the tool money; some of them even form their own organizations under other companies like Melaleuca and move their downline with them but most often the old Diamonds will scoop the downline and maintain their qualification while the cycle starts over and over again.
ReplyDelete***Former WWDB Lemming***
The never ending cycle of doom and nightmares and despair......
ReplyDeleteJimmy Head is a pathetic loser.
ReplyDeleteВы ребята забываете, что это бизнес, а не игра. Покажите хоть один бизнес, где у многих получается преуспеть. За этими лидерами идут тысячи, а кто идет за вами?
ReplyDeleteThe above post came from someone in Minsk, Belarus who found his/her way to my blog after doing a search for Ron & Georgia Lee Puryear and then using Google's translating option to see what I wrote.
ReplyDeleteSo now I have to bust my ass doing a translation of what s/he wrote in the Belarus language to make sure he or she didn't write anything racially offensive. Here's the translation to English:
"You guys are forgetting that this is a business not a game. Show at least one business, where many people get to succeed. For these leaders are thousands, who follow you?"
So to answer Anonymous from Belarus - Amway is a pretend business. That does not make Amway a game. It just makes it a bad business opportunity. And I'm sorry that this evil has descended upon your country.
ReplyDeleteAnna, I feel for you and the others that feel as you do about WWDB. I am a former WWDB member and feel very blessed by it. The life lessons I have learned are far more valuable than the almighty $. It saved my marriage and all of my children have grown to be responsible adults. I took what I learned and applied it to my life and am finding success. Failure comes from within us and dwelling on those failures can make one miserable. Take the good and use it and leave the bad. I found this blog by accident when searching for Joe and Norma Foglio. They are the most awesome people I have ever met. I could never love other people outside my family as I do this couple. Maybe it’s because they love so much themselves. I pray for you a piece and hope you look for something more positive to put the energies you have. Good luck, Elaine
ReplyDeleteElaine - like I need any further proof that Married To An Ambot is high up on the search engines no matter what the search criteria is. I have no idea who the Foglios are!
ReplyDeleteSeeing as how you say you're a former WWDB cult member I guess you figured out you were in a scam and got out. Good for you. I have news for you - quit looking for the Foglios. They don't want nothing to do with you because you're not in Amway any longer. The only thing they want to do with you is persuade you to return with promises that things have changed.
I have lots of positive things I put my energies to but thanks for the prayers!
Brad Duncan and David Shores are still there. Brad Duncan has his own family reunion to do in July. Someone in Joe Foglio's downline told us he has "disappeared" for some reason. The IBO hasn't heard from the Foglios in a few months. (Found this while searching for info on Ron and Georgia Lee)
ReplyDeleteThose Foglio bastards are going to be guest speakers at 2012 Family Reunion. That's how they make their money speaking at functions like this but there's a lot of backstage fighting between the Diamonds at splitting the profits. Interesting that they've currently gone into hiding. I've never heard of them. Or maybe I have but I don't remember.
DeleteAnonymous of May 8, 2012 3:25 PM;
ReplyDeleteI am very interested in what happened to the Fogolio's. When you hear his waterboaring story, it makes your hair stand on end. Crap, man, my advice would have been, stay the hell out of Mexico!
We got in in '95 and out in '02. The Foglios were an older couple who spoke ofen. I always felt they were one of the more sincere couples on stage.
Have always wondered what became of them.
Do you have any further info?
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Joe and Norma are alive and well...and getting older. Heard them speak last week end at FED in Irvine. Plugged in their Dream night "CD" two days ago. They're doing just fine. I first met Joe (not my line of sponsorship) at FED in 93'. Since he had suffered with MS my upline was able to get a message to him that my downline was also suffering. He took the time to meet and encourage her. There was no charge. No gain. Just one human being to another. They know how to love on people.
Deleteboy anna banana - you sure don't know shit from shinola.....guess every loser has to look for someone to blame rather than take personal responsibility. Steve
ReplyDeleteHey Steve from Concord, California who found your way to my blog by searching for "Brad Wolgamott affair" like that's any of your fucking business what other people do in bed. If you weren't so busy kissing your upline's ass you wouldn't be swallowing so much shit and then spouting off canned amspeak responses!
DeleteSo, Steve, if you are such a defender of taking personal responsibility, will you do so yourself after you've emptied your bank account and run up all your credit cards in this no-win pyramid scheme? Naw, you'll probably blame your friends and loved ones for not being supportive enough. Of course, your upline will blame you no matter how hard you work and do every single thing they and the CD's tell you to do. That's the game they play. And you were sucked into it.
Delete~Dave
Stevie is just more living proof that ambots can't mind their own business. He is also living proof that Amway head office is wrong when they claim that IBOs are not visiting blogs like mine leaving negative comments! Yup he'll blame everyone else why he isn't making money in Amway including me because that's what rotten little Amway assholes do - cast blame everywhere else.
DeleteWow, I had no idea there are so many sad failures that gave up on WWDB! I found this disappointing dialogue while searching for the Foglio's because they are speaking in Edmonton Alberta Canada this weekend. And I am excited to glean some knowledge and positive attitude from them. I saw Brad Duncan the other night and it was great and Greg Duncan in Calgary 2 weeks ago. I just want to say that no one is perfect, but the people in WWDB are better than the ass holes I work with at my job. It is WWDB that is helping my wife through depression and keeping her from working some shit job serving people with bad attitudes. People like you complainers. Look at your own life with the criticism you look at WWDB and you will hate your life too. BTW Canada is breaking 3 new Diamonds in the next 6 months. Quit being haters and sorry for yourself and leave your house, show the plan, have some faith, and if all goes well, we will all be Ambots. Canada Guy
ReplyDeleteAssholes like you really piss me off and that part has nothing to do with Amway. The fact that you're in Amway just magnifies that you're a fucking asshole. Come back to my blog tomorrow. I'll be doing a revealing post about you, you fucking little WWDB asshole you!
DeleteIf people don't mind having their pockets picked by someone in order to "glean some knowledge (of what?) and positive attitude" from them, go right ahead. Some people apparently need that mental placebo as they are unable to take control of their own life and prefer to let someone else tell them how they should be thinking and what they should be thinking about, so go right ahead. Brainwashing allows one to pretend they have taken control of their own lives by handing the steering wheel over to someone else.
DeleteIt's a free country, knock yourself (and your bank account) out. All we want to do is warn others BEFORE they throw their life and savings away to folks with smiley faces, "positive" attitudes, and an eye on fresh meat for the bottom of the pyramid to pick their bones clean. The only way Amway works is by obstructing the truth and statistics with fantasy illusions and "dreams" of imaginary wealth in a pretend business, and they get pissed when someone pulls the curtain back to reveal the wizard manipulating everything.
~Dave
Dave - give me a bit to write up a post today. This Amway asshole is going to be real sorry he showed up at my blog!
DeleteSo while he as an ambot searches for fresh meat prospects to devour, he himself turns into fresh meat for Anna to rip apart, curse and mock. Can't wait. He certainly has it coming. lol
Delete~Dave
This post here:
Deletehttp://marriedtoanambot.blogspot.com/2012/05/amway-asshole-of-week-from-alberta.html
Maybe you can report him Dave! A little bit of revenge for all the lives ambots destroy!
wow Anna Banana you should be called Anna Potty mouth
DeleteJimmy Head would always (probably still does) talk about being a "cut above" and dressing to look sharp and successful. Yet he would always wear that worn out piece of crap dead cat toupee that makes him look stupid! Then he bragged to us that it cost him $3000!
ReplyDeleteHey, Jimmy, you're getting ripped off. They saw you coming on this one!
Why wouldn't he take that extra little step and buy a decent hair piece instead of wearing that skinned rat on his head??
A "cut above" indeed!
All I can say is WOW! I get you have ill feelings towards WWDB and Amway, but seriously get happy! Let it go and enjoy your life. Life is way to short to dwell on any negatives! Chalk it up as a learning experience and move on...everyone around you will appreciate it!! :)
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm supposed to give a flying fuck what some brainwashed ambot thinks because??????
DeleteWe were in the business from 1993-1999. While we had a wonderful "Amway family," we feel that we wasted our entire twenties, and thousands of dollars on chasing the dream that WWDB promised us. We built this business hard. Really hard. And, all we had to show was a couple of 4000 pins.
ReplyDeleteWhen we decided to walk away, we moved six hours away. It was the only way to start fresh.
For the record, it has been 13 years since we left. And, the Diamonds you listed her the EXACT same people we had at our family reunions. No new names. It makes me realize that leaving the business was the right decision.
Anonymous - at least you're still young enough to recover financially and you didn't mention you ended up in divorce or foreclosure so that's good news!
Deleteclose to half of the diamonds listed are not diamonds.. worldwide now speaks non diamonds at many functions.. mike woods is NOT a diamond..
DeleteAnonymous - after I left Amway I heard that even when diamonds fall out of diamond qualification Amway lets them use the diamond title for a year (2 years?) until they get back to the diamond level. If they don't get back to diamond qualification I guess they can't use that title anymore but that doesn't stop them. Ambots believe once a diamond always a diamond.
DeleteHere's the facts for the ill informed. I am an IBO, I am in world wide, and I have become a better person through it. So Here it is... Amway is a company, they have products, products are sold, a percentage is given to the one moving the product, it's business. No scam, no loss, and absolutely no cult. I am witnessing my own team go diamond, go emerald, go platinum, you name it. The reason why people have negative to say about their experience is because they never won at anything. Winning at ANYTHING comes with a price!!! Many many many many failures! The reason why you job-bots think people don't move on is because most are like you and can't handle the failure to ACHIEVE the success. Keep quitting, keep whining, keep complaining, and see yourself never achieve anything you truly want. Diamond is an elite group that only the strongest, most big hearted people can obtain. And they deserve where they are at. There has been a gap in time because there was the old Amway that only had Amway products that was very very difficult to build and few did because of that, NOW there is another boom happening because after the partnership with MICROSOFT and perfecting the e-commerce platform and the explosion of online reselling!!! Go back to work and actually do something productive. Do YOUR RESEARCH before you keep ranting on your ignorant self taught truely UN educated opinions. And close this stupid blog to save the people that actually want to do something with there life from having to live like you. I feel sad for you truely. But don't hurt others because of your insecurities
ReplyDeleteHoly fuck Amspeak!
DeleteHow come everyone is going Emerald, Diamond, Platinum, eagle or whatever but no one ever does! Fucking Amway moron!
People who actually want to do something with their lives aren't fucking around on a pyramid scheme. They are working legitimate businesses and not lying to people and scamming them out of their money and they ain't worshipping cult leaders at kiss ass Amway functions!
My wife and I were in WWDB from 1994 to 1999. We worked that business HARD, frequently popping in and out of Direct qualification and Ruby twice. Many of the principles taught by WWDB are sound- integrity, work ethic, etc. and can be applied to ANY business model. I became a better employee in my day job because of what I learned and became quite successful as a headhunter in the software industry. Living in the Seattle area, there were plenty of WWDB functions to drag prospects to and I NEVER took new prospects to functions without them knowing it was Amway. We just sold people on the basics- the bigger your business gets, the cheaper you get the products and the more profit you make. The WWDB system is a sham however. Once we fully qualified as Directs, we were sat down and it was explained to us (finally!) how as a direct and above, you share in the profits made by WWDB from the sales of "TOOLS". If they were REALLY interested in JUST helping people grow their business they would have found a more economical way to distribute the teaching. Selling cassette tapes of a Seminar and Rally every week that essentially tell you the same thing over and over, and forcing people to buy books at inflated prices so that the upline can pocket profits wouldn't be such a bad deal IF the people buying those tools were informed of that fact. I always wondered why such an emphasis was put on tool flow... The diamonds actually push tools more than they push SELLING PRODUCTS and the entire business is suppsoed to be about selling products- NOIT pushing tools. Ultimately, when the things WWDB taught me helped me to become extremely successful in my "day job" as a headhunter, and I started making more money than my upline emeralds, everyone upline from me started dragging me to meet some of the other local diamonds personally- Brad W, Brad D, Greg D... who all proceeded to tell me I was getting too much "status" from my success in my job and that rather than build a house for my wife and start a family, I should invest in my Amway business. They told me I should NOT go to the President's Club trips to Cabo and on the Caribbean that my boss would take my wife and I on and instead stay home and build my business with the time off my boss gave me for the company trips. When I chose not to do that, WWDB and my upline stopped supporting my business entirely. Anyway, once I learned about how much money the upline were making off tools, I had enough. I had enough of being made to feel guilty about being successful in my job and wanting to spend time with my family and friends. I had enough of WWDB telling me how to live my life and manage my money, while Brad W was out banging his downline's wives, Greg D over-leveraging himself to the point of bankruptcy and Brad D spewing his vindictive anger at anyone who wasn't pushing TOOLS. I just woke up one day and realized that all WWDB was doing to me was making me GREEDY. I was sick with it. Now, I am well, happy and healthy and I am wealthy beyone measure in family and friends- the things that are truly, truly important.
DeleteAnonymous - thank you so much for stopping by to share your story. I love it so much I'm going to copy it into an upcoming post because a lot of my readers are going to miss seeing it hidden back here on an old post. I'm glad to hear you've gone on to be successful in life and if some of what you learned in Amway got you to where you are then that part of your payment to Amway wasn't a whole waste of money for you.
DeleteYou make money off of tools because if you were acgually growing your downlines businesses you probably lost a lot of money from people taking tools and not returning them. It's called the cost of doing business so they reward you for investing into others and paying the price. Literally.
DeleteWhat the fuck does that mean, exactly?
DeleteNormal Guy who should be better named Abnormal Guy - you know nothing about running a real business. Cost of doing business? Maybe its one thing for those at the top of the Amway pyramid but most people know when to stop throwing good money after bad.
DeleteAnonymous - it's just the usual Amway claptrap of trying to confuse people.
DeleteThis is sad... Someone so lost and so uneducated trying to bash on one of the most successful companies in the world. It's funny that Amway produces more millionaires than anyone besides Microsoft and you happen to think its a scam haha it's funny how you say nobody is advancing and moving up levels but they are, because they are in my own damn business! It's morons like you that give Amway and worldwide a bad name, maybe that's why you didn't make it, you don't qualify?? Lol and it's really really funny how you throw around the words scam and pyramid when they have been around for over 50 years and multiply ever year in size!! I just can't understand, how can a business grow if nobody in it is growing... Hmmmm isn't that interesting. And by the sounds of it since you also said its not a Legitimate business, let me ask you smart ass, how many businesses have you owned?! Now before you go and try to act like you know it all you should do some real research and quit pulling up 20 year old information lol this is actually really entertaining :) please keep trying to disprove me, it'll never happen sweetheart ;)
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - please provide verification of all these millionaires that Amway has created. Do not include the owners of Amway or their heirs.
DeleteIf you actually read my blog you'd know how many businesses I have owned. Lazy ass Ambot!
Funny you call me lazy because I've actually owned three businesses myself before this and if you have any business brains you'd know the structure and beyond low overhead and the fact that you don't need employees you'd know this is the best there is. Oh and I'm only 22 and I get this. And if you really want to know who all the new people are do the real research and go to a function. You'll see them there
DeleteOne of the qualifications of getting ahead in Amway is the ability to lie and not have any morals. And I was at a function a couple of weeks ago. Same old bullshit being spouted by the same tired lying cult leaders. I did my research. Why don't you do the same instead of trying to impress us with your lies. Dont the assholes in your upline tell you not to read blogs that aren't all gushy lovey Dover about Amway? You're being a bad little Ambot.
DeleteYou are sad. The people that clearly didnt have the mental wherewithal to build this say the same crap for fifty years lol. Cult this, pyramid that, scam, etc. You clearly dont understand the business or ypu just had a shitty upline. Either way do your research on Amway Corp. because it really is a tremendous corporation. Amway isnt bad, WWDB isnt bad, individuals suck hut thats the world we live in. Get over yourself and stop whining like a five year old who didnt get their lollipop.
DeleteTo Normal Guy --
DeleteThe jig is up for Amway and liars like yourself. Far too many stories and testimonies from those who have been ripped off by Amway and WWDB (World-wide Douche Bags) are now out there on the internet.
Abnormal Guy - I understand more about the Amway cult than you ever will. I see by your comments that Amway is still a blame the victim scam.
DeleteYou tell him Anonymous! Amway is full of liars and douchbags just like Abnormal Guy. Fortunately victims are sharing their stories all over the Internet to help stop the scam.
DeleteOh so you can tell me who just went diamond then :) and who the new speakers were that I personally work with. And please tell me one thing that is a lie or deceptive about us, the fact that when volume is produced you make money?? But seriously if you knew anything about anything you'd know that your the liar and everything I'm saying is true. Must we keep doing this or can you finally admit either one you had unfortunately worked with someone that wasn't the best fit for you as a mentor and im sorry or two you just have a enormous amount of fear of being successful and find it easier to sit on your lazy ass and talk crap about one of the most successful respected businesses in the world that has helped thousands and thousands of ambitious non lazy individuals become financially independent across the globe. Name one other company that can say that??
ReplyDeleteThe person who just went Diamond is probably the person we heard fighting with the other 2 diamonds about his share of the proceeds of the ticket sales that I wrote about earlier this month.
DeleteIn case you hadn't figured it out my blog is about telling the lies I heard from my upline and making them look like a bunch of assholes. I don't spend a lot of time talking about Amway and the business plan. Too many other bloggers handle that and do a good job so hit up one of those blogs if that's the Amway shit you want to talk about.
Every now and then I do a post called Ambot asshole of the week. Come back next week and you might find yourself featured in one of my posts!
its not belarus its russian language... all u said here is bullshit! Edmonton Alberta CANADA getting a new dimong Dean and Marcy Walen.You suckers can say anything you want, but i will always love WWDB
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - you're a typical fucked up Ambot. People in Amway don't give a flying fuck about anyone as you've shown with your lack of sympathy for people who have suffered great emotional and financial losses. You wanna hear bullshit? Go to an Amway meeting!
DeleteLove dean and marci. New diamonds! Wait.. I thought there wasn't any? Hah dean and marci have several coming just in there business! ! Financial loss?? My business has paid for itself since day 1! You gotta be a complete dumbass to lose any money in world wide. Lazy bitches!!
DeleteBesides you no one seems to give a flying fuck. Yeah everyone's going Diamond. Just shows what being brainwashed by a fucked up Amway cult leader does to a person.
DeleteI have 3 friends that are in Amway. One of them does babysitting as her career, one fixes cars, and the other works at Fred Meyers; yet they all claim they're nearing retirement. You're article is very well written and informative, though I only wish their brainwashed minds could see this how I see it. The devil is in the details. They buy their clothes at used cloth stores, live in run down apartments, drive shitty cars, yet these are the same folk telling me that they're in the process of retiring. It makes me laugh, but at the same time upsets me that this joke of a company is ruining my friends lives. They spend every extra minute and dollar they have on Amway. Also what does Amway think about promiscuity? Ever since they got involved in Amway, my friend is always going on about having sex with multiple partners, and they have since become swingers. Thanks
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous. Sorry to hear your friends are in this scam. Yeah they all claim they're getting rich in Amway and they're going to retire real soon. I don't know that Amway has ever issued a statement how they feel about multiple sex partners. I get lots of hits daily for Amway sex and have even written a couple of posts so it's definitely on the minds of ambots probably cause they ain't getting any. Being in Amway is a huge turn off. I might bring your comments up to a new post because most of my readers are going to miss this on a 2 year old post.
DeleteThank God there is a place for all the unsuccessful losers that will never go anywhere in life. Sitting there with your hands down your pants trying to convince others not to get involved in the most successful life changing opportunity in the world. Please tell us why we would ever want what you have. Funny you call us ambots. You have your noses so far up your bosses ass! Please continue to write your trash on the bathroom wall because obviously you have an issue with people moving forward for there families and changing lives. I will continue building my business so you unsuccesful lazy losers have something to write about. By the way there are a ton of new diamonds coming including myself! GO DIAMOND!!!!
ReplyDeleteSeeing as how our business is in the same range as what Amway says a Diamond income is - then by your reasoning Amway Diamonds are a bunch of fucking losers too. Yeah youre all going Diamond bunch of fucking losers that you are out to scam other people.
DeleteI just want to say THANK YOU SO MUCH for writing this post!! By far this is the best thing I've read in months!
ReplyDeleteIt's blogs like these that give people the perfect excuse to not get educated about how the business really works from people who are willing to help and mentor them for the rest of their lives.
Thank you for your service to society. This is truly fantastic!
This reeks of IBO sarcasm and negativity.
DeleteI just wrote a comment on another blog about how IBOs are not truly shown how the business really works. IBOs are at point A (startup) and are shown point C (diamonds). From there, point B is never shown. They don't show you how to get to C, just that someone, somewhere, has. From there, the 'mentoring' strays from business. CDs and MP3s build hope, books train you in everything else in life but this specific business (I love the ones about being a better man or woman in the eyes of God), and conferences keep enthusiasm high. Lifelong mentoring is like saying you signed up to get a life trainer, not a business opportunity.
The most you get of training for point B is how to avoid, not answer, tough questions. How to dodge the title AMWAY. How to not look back at anything, good or bad, that you have done. How to place yourself upon a pedestal in a world of 'broke losers'. How to fake it before you make it. How to convince someone they can make tons of money in a short period of time, when you, and most of your upline, have not even come close to scratching that number. How it isn't a scam or a pyramid. How to redefine 'success'.
This blog is a service to society, and those of us who comment are trying to help fight a good fight. For the hundreds of successful IBOs how many millions will not be successful?
-Jerry
Jerry I suspect you're right which is why I chose not to respond. You can tell ambots by the times they post when normal people are sleeping its the ambot witching hours.
DeleteI'm not saying you don't make some decent points, but in my defense, I signed up less than a year ago, and I'm currently 100% debt free and also 100% retired from my full time job, and making a solid Ruby income. I'm also 23 years old.
DeleteI'm not even a little bit devoted to Amway or World Wide, it's just the best option I've seen so far. If anyone here has something better that will pay me the same or more, and I get the same freedom lifestyle, I'm all in!
If what you say is true, and you're not "faking it til you make it", then you are a clear cut exception. I assume you are not buying motivational material (the beloved tools and training), have a strong customer base to prevent yourself from having to run up PV by yourself, and likely, don't live in the United States (as the US is a terrible market for Amway).
DeleteRegardless, how many people in your downline are not making a 'solid' income from this? How many of your downline are debt free? Retired 100% from their job? Can you stand there, on stage at conference, being super excited for only yourself while somebody several steps below you in this caste system struggles to make it out of the red? The system is built so that somebody, but not EVERYBODY can make money.
The best analogy I have seen for this line of work (MLM) is a poker table. Everybody comes to the table with their money and the winner walks away with other people's money, nothing is added to the table that the players don't add themselves. (That is, unless you are not following protocol of self-consumption and actually have more customer than IBOs)
Now, I'm sure if I search "Jessica Amway Achieve" in google, I will certainly find you in an article listing when you hit that pin level. Thanks to that magazine, I was able to expose my potential uplines lies, to them, when they claimed to be platinum, but had qualified only for silver, once, 2 years ago. They never once hit platinum. Lie, deny, distract, defend kicked in at that point.
You want a better option? Do a profit/loss spreadsheet for yourself. See how much you are really making, check the job market, see if you could be doing better.
-Jerry
Jessica - at 23 years old unless you have student loans or a mortgage you really shouldn't have any debt at that age. Or very little. Most creditors don't extend credit to people until they've had many years of good credit rating. Maybe $1000 or so on credit cards but nothing too risky until a solid credit rating has been established.
DeleteAs Amway's own literature points out a fraction of 1% of IBOs do make money. Obviously you've got what it takes to motivate people in your downline to keep buying Amway products and have regular customers yourself. Not everyone can keep it up forever people lose interst, run out of money, get pissed off at the assholes in their upline and move on. There are former emeralds and diamonds who have videos up on YouTube or talked on the Internet about leaving Amway and have found jobs. At your age you can still bounce back but you need to keep some job skills current or you'll find it tough finding work when the Amway income dries up to the point you need other income to afford your lifestyle. Listen to what Jerry says and keep a profit and loss statement and talk to an accountant who is not affiliated with Amway to help you keep track of your business expenses and income.
Exactly, if what you say is true, then you are raking in quite a bit of cash. Uplines will tell you to invest it into your business. Don't take that money and set it aside. Even setting it in a bank account that accrues interest will be better than spending it on stuff you don't need.
DeleteIf you truly want to walk the beaches of the world, and never have to do a day of work in your life, you need to get an unaffiliated accountant and do what he or she says. If anything, the money you make now can help soften the blow should your Ruby level earnings dry up. Don't say it can't happen, don't say it won't happen. People don't jump from airplanes without parachutes (well, most don't).
-Jerry
In the Ambot world, getting "educated" means turning over your mind and thoughts to follow blindly an upline that wants only one thing... to pick your pocket. "Mentoring" consists mainly of brainwashing to remove "negative thoughts", which are defined by Amway as being any form of critical thinking and logic so as not to question the math of the "plan" or why even in Amway's own literature (small print) they admit the chances of success at a fraction of a percent. "Events of the year" that they excitedly tell their sheep they MUST attend are all identical to one another, being sleep-deprived brainwashing sessions that show only the supposed success to be had in Amway to "fire up" those in the crowd who are up to their necks in debt due to Amway and making them all think success is "just around the corner". Total bullshit.
ReplyDeleteThis site is where the real education comes. Don't expect to get any from Amway where the goal is to give their followers the LEAST amount of useful information and teach them not to "do the math" with their finances.
~Dave
So true. My ex who was in an MLM would sometimes accidentally tell me the truth about his "business" only to contradict himself with canned MLM-speak later. I remember being taken along to a couple of these "events", all ra-ra and bullshit and they all looked annoyed that I would ask questions about their gross profits, business strategies etc. (as an actual non mlm business owner what do I know?). Oh and of course I'm gonna ask questions if they are wanting to sign me up and give them my money. Sack of shit up lines.
ReplyDeleteI have grown to despise the words "negative" and "open-minded" as they were always used to label the non believers and cult followers. Ironic when its the cult mlmbots which are the ones had their minds closed.
I'm also big into personal development but I hate the way they have co-opted some legit ideas and twisted it for their own immoral purposes. Like "disassociating" - we all know and familiar that often if you have personal success in your life you will come across people who are jealous and instead of celebrating you they will try to cut you down. Of course you should try not to be with such mean spirited people. But this is different from having people around you who can offer constructive criticism and call you out on your own bullshit from time to time. Everybody needs those sorts of friends - arguably these are the most important friends to have. And yeah, how is joining an MLM, losing money and acting immorally defined as "success" that anyone can be jealous about in the first place?
Stupid, brainwashed MLMbots.
Or "never give up on your dreams" and they laugh at contestants on X Factor turn up can't sing saying they deluded. How is their dream of "financial freedom" any less deluded? I'm all for working hard, improving your skills and pushing yourself beyond your comfort zones but only for goals that are worthwhile. Conning people to play the MLM game is not a worthwhile goal.
I feel sad that MLM cons lots of otherwise nice and sometimes highly intelligent individuals through the process of love bombing.
All it amounts to is a very poorly paid commission only contractors job with none of the freedom and extortionate costs. Even those who seen as quite successful in terms of pin level earn less than the average wage for twice the amount of work - like my ex boyfriend sack of shit upline. They seem to have better cars in Herbal Life than Amway so no rust buckets but they work like dogs and run free fitness classes (sometimes not even properly qualified) and nutrition workshops. They would make more money running paid for classes and stop trying to recruit and sell their substandard meal replacements. It's a bit like the Nutrilite which Amway push I'm told.
Ahh, I love that there is this blog and I get my MLM hatred off my chest. Triggered today when my florist tried to prospect me for her utilities MLM. Never shopping there again. All that stuff I went through, the hell and back with my ex and his MLM all came flooding back. All the lies, all the broken promises and dashed hopes and dreams I had about our relationship and how I thought I found "The One". These MLMs go on about "negative dream stealers" they are the ones that steal dreams, ruin lives, use talented people who could be useful to society for their own twisted ends.
Bunch of scammy fakesters!
~ Ex Girlfriend of a Herbot.
You all are a bunch of lazy idiots.
ReplyDeleteAt least that's better than being a fucking Amway asshole
DeleteYou're a joke. Come into business with me. I got you.
DeleteTo Normal Guy --
DeleteTell us how much money you have lost in Amway so far. Give us the actual figures.
Abnormal Guy - well at least I'm not a fucking Amway loser. Something you can't say.
DeleteAnonymous - getting some Amway asshole to admit how much money they've lost in Amway is like getting pigs to fly!
DeleteHello Ana. All these years and I see how you’re harboring disdain and what seems like resentment. May I ask what happened during your time in WWDB?
ReplyDeleteHello La Vie En Rose. Lets see if I can KISS for you. Though if you'd read this blog you'd have your answer as to what happened during our time in WWDB.
Delete1. Had to buy overpriced shitty Amway products
2. Had to invest in the tool scam
3. Constantly abused by the fucking assholes in the upline.
4. Suffered financial and emotional distress
5. Lost friends and lost money.
And it's OK to harbor disdain and resentment to anyone or to any company that fucks you over.
And don't show up on blogs like this and leave a comment asking a question on a post that's 7 years old that is easily answered by reading the blog. It makes you look like one of those fucking Amway losers.
Your unpleasant reply tells anyone who reads it all they need to know. Your attitude is absolutely garbage. The problem isn’t everyone else, it’s the way you show up in the world
DeleteIf you have a problem no one is forcing you to hang around here and read. Only a dumb fuck would keep reading something they perceive to be unpleasant. That’s the type of thing Amway losers do.
DeleteTo La Vie En Merde --
ReplyDeleteHave you made any money at all in the Amway racket?
La Víe En Rose is 100% right. And WWDB is the absolute best thing I've ever seen, experienced and associated with in my life. True leadership, real people winning in life and helping others do the same. It's as simple as eat, wipe and get paid. But fortunately not everyone is privileged to have the same mindset. You;ll either work for the rest of your life, or find something better. With my experience and I looked into many things, there is nothing more real and holistic than WWDB. And it's true, we couldn't do what we do without Amway, but this isn't about amway. We are greatful for amway, but WWDB and our mentors who have the fruit on their tree are the real opportunity. You are what you associate with. The build of an asset like this is incredible and the personal growth is the best. Even if I only made $60k/yr doing this (which is not the case), I;d still do it just to be the quality of a person I have become.
ReplyDeleteLola! Spoken like a true brainwashed Amway loser! WWDB is the most abusive Amway cult sect. If you want to be a fucking moron and have WWDB scam you out of your money I hope you enjoy the experience of financial and emotional distress.
DeleteThanks girl! Being financially independent is incredible and I cannot wait to continue helping thousands of people get free. I hope one day you see the truth and I'm sorry that someone may have done you wrong to make you feel this way. Maybe someone didn't teach you how to steward your money properly, but the budget plan is incredible and my mentors are the most humble and loving people I've ever spent time with. I've never felt better emotionally than I do in this arena. A scam is where you get screwed, a cult is where you get brainwashed, a pyramid is where you do all the work and the people above you gain everything...those all sound like jobs to me LOL. That's definitely not this. Freedom is worth fighting for. I honestly hope that you are living your dream life or working towards it. Have a blessed day!
DeleteLola - we’ve been financially independent for many years. We do this by running a business where we don’t fuck over our clients and don’t lie and scam others- a foreign concept for Amwa Ambots. We also invest in stocks that pay monthly dividends. Too bad your “mentors” can’t give you real financial advice. You’re in Las Vegas. You have a better chance of making money in the casinos than you do in Scamway.
DeleteIt's all good girl! We don't have "clients" and I don't sell anything so, clearly whoever gave you information didn't know what they were talking about. My mentors have taught us how to built wealth for ourselves and help others and that's the best financial advice. Pay cash for everything and have actual money working for you and enjoying it at the same time, unlike stocks where the money grows sometimes but you don't get to use it until after it makes you money. Stocks are a scam, especially when the market crashes. You'll all be in a tough spot. Luckily my mentors who have been financially free, have full control of time and money, have ongoing incomes they can will on forever, and are debt free millionaires who help others do the same. And I've seen it happen. If you get in this business and don't give yourself at least a year, you're only hurting yourself. It's all about relationships, communication and personal growth. I'm glad you are financially independent too! It'll be awesome for you to control your time and money especially within these next few years when people lose their jobs due to new technologies and the market crashes again. I'm honestly glad that you have yourself set up! That's awesome and I hope you can continue to make that work and help others as well.
DeleteLola - thanks for stopping by again with more bullshit Amspeak and lies.
DeletePay cash for everything? Can you explain why WWDB Diamonds Shores and Duncan went through bankruptcy and foreclosure? I mean those lying scamming Amway motherfuckers stood on the stage and said they paid cash for everything. Obviously they had to borrow money from the bank. Please explain their bankruptcy and foreclosure.
Or will you do the usual Amway Ambot thing of lie, deny, distract and defend?
If you read the financial section today you'd have seen an article on becoming a millionaire and 6 ways to become rich:
1. Marry money
2. Inherit money
3. Exploit a unique talent
4. Get exceedingly lucky
5. Own or lead a successful business
6. Spend less than you make and invest your savings wisely over long periods of time.
Nowhere does it say become a commissioned sales rep for an MLM pyramid scheme.
And you have the Amway doom and gloom about the stock market crash. Yawn. Heard the WWDB cult leaders say that years ago and both you and them forgot to say the stock market always comes back. Look at #6 on the above list.
It's useless trying to convince a brainwashed Amway Ambot anything. But once again, do you see anything about throwing your money at a pyramid scheme to get rich?
The answer is not above but the answer is you had to get into the pyramid scheme early enough.
Lola has really drunk the Kool-Aid, hasn't she?
ReplyDeleteAlso, she makes a very revealing statement. She suggests in one post that she makes at least $60,000 per year, but then she says that she has "no clients" and that she doesn't sell anything.
Huh?
If you're pushing Amway products via WWDB, how do you make money without selling things?
Does Lola make her money just by recruiting stupid people to join WWDB?
Hi Anonymous. Exactly! When you’re a commissioned sales rep how can you make $60,000/year if you have no clients? LOL!
DeleteYou’d have to be a brainwashed Amway loser to think it’s a good idea to take financial advice from other Amway losers who can’t manage their own finances.
I get it there’s people who have fallen into dire straights due to illness and unemployment and bankruptcy is the only option. When you’re a fucking Amway cult leader and you over extend yourself to show a lavish lifestyle to the Ambots in your downline you get no sympathy from me.